The Trump Deception Church & State United

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Interesting topic/thread..
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Since the time of 'Constantine', Christians are lured into political power.
- Constantine started..
- 'Theodosius I' made Christianity the official 'state religion' of the Roman empire.
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When Christianity becomes part of political power/establishment,
it loses.. spiritual emphasis, devotion to Christ..etc.
- Focus is on power, greed and status.
- You can see this throughout Christian history.
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Many of early Christian settlers in North America came - to escape persecution from 'state and church'
establishments in continent/Europe.
- Maybe we need to be reminded of that again..

I honestly havent read every line in this thread, and cannot understand all the intricacies of church and state separation.. But thought i could post this wc i heard the other day, and trying to listen to again.

Actually I think any honest appraisal of real politics in the U.S.A. is that you are ruled by
Freemasons and Jews.

We have one thread bashing Trump for saying the Pope isn't Christian and here we have a thread on how he's on cahoots with the Pope. You Trump haters can't have it both ways.

Something that has brought much sorrow to my heart lately , the reality that is before my eyes , many that call themselves believers will not enter The Kingdom of God . Many do not want to be reminded , of the historic accounts of the persecuted church , but yet believe they are the bride of Christ .

The discernment , that the Lord has given , has made me note the condition of many congregation that have called themselves the bride , but yet there appearance , does not line up with the Holy Scripture .

By noting how they operate it is clear , that something is not present . Many of the modern day congregation Leaders , Pastors , Teachers , are operating as the following .

1. Not by the Spiritual gifts , but by worldly academics .

2. Not by discernment and testing , but by sight .

3. Not by the Word of God , but Doctrine of men .

4. Not By The Spirit , but of the Flesh .

It truly makes me ponder how many of them will not enter The Kingdom of God , and those that follow them blindly without testing examining , what is presented to them as the truth. In these times it is clearly visible , prophecy does not matter but marriage making , busy bodies , self love , dominos , cards , social shows along with movie nights , eating and drama are present.

But if you call for a real Bible study they scatter , a board , unresponsive they are absent , yet they call themselves the bride , they truly need to examine and ask bride of whom ???

Then the reason came to me as why , these thing are present and occurring , if we turn to the book of Mark , Christ taught His Disciples a valuable teaching upon The Parable of the Sower , and so it shall be.

But before i finish this reply , i would like to address a fellow member that has reply , stating this thread as trump hating , perhaps you may come to a agreement with me on this.

The world of the Anti-Christ is one , that in which , appearance and reality are completely opposite to each other.

And the woman that you saw is the great city that has dominion over the kings of the earth.”
Revelation 17:18 (ESV)
2 And he called out with a mighty voice, “Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great! She has become a dwelling place for demons,
a haunt for every unclean spirit, a haunt for every unclean bird, a haunt for every unclean and detestable beast.
3 For all nations have drunk the wine of the passion of her sexual immorality, and the kings of the earth have committed
immorality with her, and the merchants of the earth have grown rich from the power of her luxurious living.”
4 Then I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you take part in her sins,
lest you share in her plagues;
5 for her sins are heaped high as heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.
Revelation 18: (ESV)

Really? Because you spend an inordinate amount of time posting anti-Trump junk that actually has no basis in either history, or reality complete with hokey pictures, just like whacked conspiracy websites. Perhaps you can tell us in the next thread you start that Trump is the antiChrist.

The biggest danger to this country, and Christianity in general has always been Progressives. They were the enemy yesterday, they are the enemy today, and they will still be the enemy tomorrow. Trump makes a statement to a person who is essentially a head of state, and you build an entire conspiracy theory around it. Trump is not Catholic, so there is no reason to believe he is involved in some scheme for WORLD DOMINATION with the Pope. By his own confession he says he became a Christian through extending talks with Paula White, and since she is a WOF false teacher, Trump would be into Word of Faith doctrine, not Catholicism. The Catholic Church itself is always a clear and present danger because they have always been based on exercising political control over all else, well, maybe except acquiring wealth.

Trump is not some svengali. While I am not a supporter of Trump, it is clear that he wants to unwind the anti-American crap that Obama dished out for 8 years, undue his policies and acts that were both un-Constitutional and hurt the country, and focus on the country, as a whole instead of minorities, illegal aliens, and identity politics. It's why the Left hates him so much. He isn't continuing Obama's policy of trying to turn America into a Socialist, 3rd world also-ran. Despite the MSM tossing out words like Fascist! and Racist! every other word, I've see no evidence that Trump is either one. Amusing, coming from Liberals who are racists, and simply use Special Victims Groups to achieve a purpose and care nothing about them beyond that. The Democratic party was formed strictly because the people who formed it where racists. And that hasn't change in the ensuing decades.

Trump went to Fordham University for 2 years and he didn't even graduate so to say that he is "Jesuit-trained" is a non-sequitur and can't be used to tie your conspiracy theory together. It's a red herring anyway. Just because someone attends an institution that has a denomination attached to it does not mean they become that, or are "trained" in it. I went to a Lutheran private school for 8 years and I never had the slightest desire to become a Lutheran. Your theory is built on some really poor premises.

Wrong. That would be a toss-up between Jimmy Carter or Obama. I'd have to give the edge to Obama since he was brought up being spoon-fed Black Liberation Theology, which is not actually Christianity, but a political indoctrination. I saw no behavior from the man in his 8 years of office that would indicate he was a Christian beyond his poor attempts at mangling scripture once in a while to try and justify some socialist concept like wealth redistribution.

I find Trump's declarations of being a Christian dubious as well, but Obama hated Christianity. He made that very clear on numerous occasions.

If you would have for a moment , actually examine , what is written upon in this particular thread , you would have not written such a nonsensical reply ...




Catholic principles may be driving presidential policy for the first time in years, says acting Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney.

At the National Catholic Prayer Breakfast in Washington, D.C., on Tuesday, Mulvaney said that principles of the Catholic faith are manifested within the Trump administration, one of the reasons that Mulvaney himself is excited to be part of the administration.

The president has allowed us, Christians of all denominations, folks from all different faiths … to be very vocal about their faith, and to practice their faith, and to take their faith and work it into our policies,” Mulvaney said at the breakfast.

“I’m comfortable as a Catholic, even though I work for a gentleman who is not Roman Catholic, that the principles of our faith are alive and well and well respected in this administration and are driving many of our policies,” Mulvaney said. “That is something I am extraordinarily proud to be a part of.”
“I think it is something we all agree makes us a better administration and makes us a better country. I certainly believe that it does.”

@vic1980

I have done my research, however you also need to dig a little further and deeper, back in time to understand Trumps policies, his various affiliations, business dealings and how it connects to his role in the world presently.

Not a surprising, or un-anticipated response. I chopped out the stupid Internet pictures because they are both predictable from a conspiracy buff, and extremely annoying. They are meant to produce an instantaneous response of horror and revulsion to back up the original emotionally-based premise. You follow the de rigueur Conspiracy Buff methodology of shocking photos and name-dropping proof text quotes that are taken out of context but supposed to be immediately accepted because of shock value bolded, super-sized and multi-colored text.

I feel sorry for you because you are so gullible that you accept anything that comes along and looks good to you.

Something to consider: Donald Trump did not live his life as a professing Christian. His claim to Christianity coincided with his bid for the Presidency. Could it be possible, that if he has a wish to lead the American citizenry at large to believe that he is a Christian that he could possibly both embrace, and emulate any doctrinal and denominational stance that comes along that also appears to him that will give him a political advantage?

I would love to see your history when it comes to your handling, or non-handling of Obama when he was in office. That would tell me a good deal about you and your agenda.

No. Not Christians. Catholics. Anyone who believes they sit on a throne here on Earth that actually belongs solely to Christ has some things badly messed-up.

In order to understand the truth about Trump you need to know about the 'Q' phenomenon and about the 'Illuminated Suns of the Golden Dawn' of which both Q and Trump are apart of. That is, the False Prophet system that has already come onto the world scene and is in the act of dismantling the Cabals 'Beast System' as we speak.

I encourage you to start with this Introduction Video from Probably Alexandra's YouTube channel and watch the rest of her videos in the order that they were first posted as to grasp the current situation regarding the False Prophet system in its entirety:


Link to Probably Alexandra's video playlist HERE

Funny that you tell me to give you a direct answer to a question when you never actually deal with any point I make. You avoid dealing with them like the plague. Because you cannot adequately deal with them. Your conspiracy theories are based on air, conjecture, and flaky websites. Every thing you write is fluff and supposition, with no visible means of support.

What happens with Trump in office has no bearing on the United States. Prophecy has not, does not now, and will not in the future center on the United States. Prophecy revolves around Jesus, Israel, and the realm of the Middle east, in that order. Anything outside of that sphere is merely part of the greater scope of the fulfillment of the prophecy and is tangential to the goal of the End Times: The restoration of Israel and Jesus' promised 1000 year reign on the Earth. It is academic what happens to the United States since they will not be a major player in the End Times. Every nation abandons Israel in the end. That would include America. By the time the Tribulation rolls around, America is going to be a 3rd-world also-ran. We are already on our way there now. Trump is nothing but a momentary roadblock to eventual Socialism and complete moral, social and monetary decay.