Twinkling of an eye

NO - Jesus is not taking any of us back to Heaven with him.
When Jesus returns in power and glory the saints shall rise up to meet him in the air and to be forever with Jesus.
The marriage feast when the bride (the true church shall be united with the bridegroom, Jesus)
Then we shall come down to Earth on Mount Olivet and walk into what's left of Jerusalem to be part of his government.

The problem with that Waggles, is that before Jesus can come back to the earth to end the age, the wrath of God must first take place, which believers are not appointed to suffer (1 Thess.1:10) and which regarding this Jesus said, "I will keep you out of the hour of trial which is going to come upon the whole world to test those dwell on the face of the earth." (Rev.3:10)

Your error is that you fail to take into consideration all of the scriptures regarding end-time prophesies.

The other error is not understanding that there is a difference between the event of the Lord's appearing to gather His church vs. the Lord's return to the earth to end the age and establish His millennial kingdom. When you make them the same event, then you trample over many other scriptures.

The day of the Lord, that hour of trial, which is God's coming wrath, will be carried out via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. With just the culmination of the first four seals and the sixth trumpet, a fourth and a third respectively, this will equal well over half the earths population as being killed and that within the first 3 1/2 years of that seven year period. And that is not including the fatalities that will result from trumpets 1, 2 and 3, nor of the fatalities that will result in the seven bowls. No! The Lord is going keep His promise of coming to take believers back to the Father's house before His wrath begins and that because it will affect the entire earth. In fact regarding this time of wrath Jesus said, "Then there will be a time of great tribulation unequaled from the beginning of the world, till now and never to be equaled again. If those days had not be cut short, no one on earth would be left alive." And you and others think that the Lord is going to leave His bride here for the worst time in the history of the world?

The main problem with this is that, people don't understand the underlying principle of believers not being appointed to suffer God's wrath, any wrath! And that principle is that, Jesus experience God's wrath on behalf of every believer, satisfying it completely. Therefore, the wrath of God no longer rests upon the believer in Christ because it's already been satisfied. Those who continue to believe that the church is going to first go through God's wrath with the wicked and then be gathered at the end, are truly not believing that Christ took upon Himself God's wrath on our behalf.

This coming wrath is for the wicked, the arrogant, the prideful, those rejecting Christ, not His church. Therefore, He will gather us off the earth prior to His wrath being poured out, which as I said, will decimate the majority of the population of the earth and dismantle all human government.

In addition, Rev.19:6-8 shows the bride/church already in heaven at the wedding of the Lamb receiving her fine clothes and white and clean. Then in Rev.19:14, it shows the bride wearing her fine linen, white and clean and following the Lord OUT OF HEAVEN riding on white horses. Therefore, your claim that the Lord is not coming to take us back to heaven is false. Also, we have Rev.17:14 as a preview of Rev.19:11-14 stating that when the Lord returns to the earth, with Him will be His "called, chosen and faithful followers."

Since the bride/church is already shown to be at the wedding of the Lamb which takes place in heaven and is following the Lord out of heaven, then believers would already have to be in heaven.

Your understanding of the scriptures is your understanding of the scriptures.
They differ to mine and I still think that you interpret incorrectly. But I am not going to lose sleep over this, as what will happen
will happen regardless of any of our own thoughts on the end times and the Day of the Lord.

In regard to the Spirit-filled church not being appointed to wrath and being safeguarded from the judgement of God that does not require for disciples to be translated of the planet, but rather the divine protection that will be given directly to the true church
(the body of Christ) when all these things happen …

Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass,
and to stand before the Son of man.
Luke 21:36 (KJV)
1 He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will abide in the shadow of the Almighty.
2 I will say to the LORD, “My refuge and my fortress, my God, in whom I trust.”
3 For he will deliver you from the snare of the fowler and from the deadly pestilence.
4 He will cover you with his pinions, and under his wings you will find refuge; his faithfulness is a shield and buckler.
5 You will not fear the terror of the night, nor the arrow that flies by day,
6 nor the pestilence that stalks in darkness, nor the destruction that wastes at noonday.
7 A thousand may fall at your side, ten thousand at your right hand, but it will not come near you.
8 You will only look with your eyes and see the recompense of the wicked.
Psalm 91: (ESV)

21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be.
22 And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short.
Matthew 24:
Here Jesus is telling us all that even the elect will be on Earth when the great tribulation of natural disasters and nuclear war is
happening. Jesus needs to return to end this as there would be no faithful left alive on the planet.

Matthew 24:23-25
Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25Behold, I have told you before.

ASR

Adding to the word of God in Revelation 3 is not good....He does not say he will KEEP THEM OUT of the HOUR....and the word KEEP means to guard or protect from loss or harm NOT REMOVE.......such dishonesty with the inspired word of GOD......unbelievable.......!!

Imagine that....we agree on something......

There's hope for you yet!!

--"Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep [G5083] thee from [G1537] the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth." Revelation 3:10

--"to abstain from things sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what is strangled, and from sexual immorality. Keeping [G1301 (G1223 G5083)] yourselves from [G1537] these, you will do well. Farewell." Acts 15:29


...on that second verse ^ , He probably means "keeping yourselves through these [things]," right?
(like, what? be sure to "use protection"??) Er, uh, no.



[a search through the phrase "they that dwell upon the earth" (and similar) is another enlightening study, for any readers who may be interested in such a study]

^ and the links:

https://biblehub.com/text/acts/15-29.htm [hover cursor over the word "ex" for pop-up]

https://biblehub.com/text/revelation/3-10.htm [hover cursor over the word "ek" for pop-up]


(same word, slightly differing form)

9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand;
but the wise shall understand.
Daniel 12:

Hilarious.....he has jokes HA............I love all my Aussie mates..........AU is my second HOME.......

Could you show me one scripture that says we are going to the Father in heaven?

Is there a reason that none of you Rapturist answered my question about the LAST trumpet?

I am surprised that they have not come with their explaining how last does not mean last.

Good day Wall!

I already have presented the scripture which states that Jesus is coming to gather His church and take them back to the Father's house, but I will post it again:

"My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. (John 14:1-3)

First Jesus says "My Father's house has many rooms." It should not be too difficult to conclude where the Father's house is. For we have other scriptures which also tell us that Jesus ascended to the right hand of the Father where He makes intercession for every believer (Rom.8:34).

Then Jesus says "I am going there to prepare a place for you." That is, He ascended and went to prepare places for all believer's in His Father's house, which as we have seen, is speaking of heaven and that because that is where Jesus ascended at the right hand of the Father.

Then Jesus says "I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am."

Where John 14:1-3 is the promise that Jesus was going to the Father's house to prepare places for believers, I Thessalonians 4:13-18 deals with the last part of the promise of the Lord's returning to come and get us and to take us back to the Father's house to be with Him:

"For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord."

Regarding the Lord's ascending and His coming to get us, he also told His disciples and all believers the following:

"Simon Peter asked him, "Lord, where are you going?" Jesus replied, "Where I am going, you cannot follow now, but you will follow later."

Once again, since we know that Jesus ascended to the right hand of God in heaven, the promise that believers will "follow later" is synonymous with His promise to come back and take us to those places that he prepared for us in the Father's house.

I don't know why this is so difficult to understand, as it is very easy to deduce from the context. The only reason that I have concluded is that, there is a strong spirit of deception in the world and people hear the false teachings of men which they adopt and are more concerned about contending for those false teachings, instead of receiving the truth. Regarding the above, you have to agree that I went through each step methodically and have in no way twisted or distorted the scriptures. Regarding John 14:1-3 alone, one should be able to come to the same conclusion as I have.

In My Father's house are many rooms = heaven

I'm going there to prepare a place for you = heaven

I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am = heaven

I also included Rev.19:6-8 which shows the bride, which is another moniker representing the church, as being in heaven at the wedding of the Lamb and receiving here fine linen, white and clean. Then in Rev.19:14 showing the bride/church following the Lord out of heaven on white horses and wearing the same fine linen that she was previously given. Rev.19:11-21 is a detailed account of the Lord's return to the earth to end the age and establish His millennial kingdom. Even Rev.17:14 reveals those who will have been in heaven returning with the Lord to the earth to end the age, as listed below:

"They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.”

His "called, chosen and faithful followers" are those believers whom He will have previously come and taken back to the Father's house in their immortal and glorified bodies, where during that time, they will have been judged at the Bema Seat of Christ, attended the wedding of the Lamb where she will have received her fine linen, where at the end of the time of God's wrath will follow the Lord out of heaven riding on white horses and returning to the earth to end the age and establish His millennial kingdom.

This is what the accumulation of scripture regarding this subject teaches.

You're not going to beleive this.
It actually does say " out of" in the greek.

I looked it up. It never dawned on me before, until you brought up " it doesn't say..."
For some reason,i go to the greek when i hear that.

It truly is a pretrib rapture.

Wall said:
"Is there a reason that none of you Rapturist answered my question about the LAST trumpet?"



It (the last trump) happens every year at the feast of trumpets

Not even worth of a reply.