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It seems then that you are helping me in my case that my incomplete knowledge of Nasra = Paska and paska can be translated as easter and not only Passover yet again this is being contested.

In my opinion, you are against what the dictionaries says whether OED or to some unbiased references I posted. Here to summarize our view relative to the subject:

• Heb. Pesach and Gk. Pascha Latin Pascha according to the dictionaries can be both translated as Passover and easter. Yet you are saying it is only Passover.
• That Gk. Pascha means resurrection which I believe as the genuine Easter. This well attested in the many dictionaries including John Chrysostom Paschal Address/Sermon which talk about the risen Lord and that this view predates Bede of 750AD by many decades not to discount what the bible says of the day dawn rising, yet this is being discounted.
• That Easter refers to the “birth” or worship of fertility goddesses as per OED and many other references being ascribed by venerable Bede to have its derivation from paganism. This meaning to me is correct only that it is the counterfeit of the genuine Easter yet this is being contested since pascha only means “Passover”.

As my previous post a Greek word can be translated in the English in various ways with variant meaning dependent on it context and that will not contradict the bible and I hope this time we go to the context of the Bible to see fit what is the precise translation or exact English word either Pascha be an Easter or Passover in Acts 12:4. I asked why Pascha here is Passover. Would you by the context explain your view?

Thanks

I wondered how long it would take before the KJV only guys would get their back hairs up, and turn this into an attempt to push their icon on us.
Funny thing is that the very arguments they make for it is the same ones made against it back in the 1600s.
All of the same arguments from tradition to the only true word of God is ... ,and they changed the words, and the meanings, blah blah blah, same ole same ole.
But you will never convince them of the truth, so why bother.

Part of the problem of calculating Easter is it is tied to the Passover. The Jewish calendar is a lunar calendar and every few years adds an extra month to realign it with the solar year. Thus the complicated calculations that once in a while is off.

I keep the following file about the problems with the KJV. I use it but understand it's failings due to changes in English and knowledge of nature.
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For example, because of the changes in the English language, a number of words occur in the King James that make zero sense to most people today. These include the following nuggets that you will find scattered here and there:

Almug
Algum
Charashim
Chode
Cracknels
Gat
Habergeon
Hosen
Kab
Ligure
Neesed
Nusings
Ouches
ring-straked
sycamyne
trow
wimples, ….

The King James translators also translated some animal names into animals that in fact we now have pretty good reason for thinking don’t actually exist:

unicorn (Deut. 33:17)
satyr (Isa 13:21);
dragon (Deut 32:33) (for serpent)
cockatrice (Iswa 11:8),
arrowsnake (Gen 49:11, in the margin).

Moreover, there are phrases that simply don’t make sense any more to modern readers: Phrases that no longer make sense:

ouches of gold (Exod. 28:11);
collops of fat (Job 15:25);
naughty figs (Jer 24:2);
ien with (Jer. 3:2);
the ground is chapt (Jer 14:4);
brazen wall” (Jer 15:20);
rentest thy face (Jer. 4:30);
urrain of the cattle (Exod. 9:2);

And there are whole sentences that are confusing at best, virtually indecipherable (or humorous)

And Jacob sod pottage (Gen 25:29)
And Mt. Sinai was altogether on a smoke (Exoc. 19:18)
Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing (Ps. 5:6)
I trow not (Luke 17:9)
We do you to wit of the grace of God (2 Cor. 8:1)
Ye are not straitened in us, but ye are straitened in your own bowels (2 Cor. 6:12)
He who letteth will let (2 Thes 2:7)
The words of the wise are as goads, and as nails fastened by the masters of assemblies, which are given from one shepherd (Eccles. 12:11)

Other sentences make sense, but would today be considered somewhat problematic – at least for the sacred Scripture. My favorite is the one that refers to one who: “Pisseth against the wall:…. 1 Sam 25:22, 34, I Kings 14:10!
(this phrase is used instead of the word man. NIV uses the word man)
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Ouches has morphed into broaches for example. Thus broaches of gold makes sense. 400 years of language changes!!

I find I need to use dictionary sometimes for american phrasings and idioms. And in modern day, the internet now has urban dictionary. So when people in american movies say some really strange things, I can look it up and find out what they mean lol.

Just use a dictionary if you dont understand those words.
Ok?
Thats helpful for any kind of literature, not just the Bible.

Just use a dictionary if you dont understand those words.
Ok?
Thats helpful for any kind of literature, not just the Bible.

If you're using Urban Dictionary, you'll also learn a lot of things you didn't need to know.

I keep the following file about the problems with the KJV. I use it but understand it's failings due to changes in English and knowledge of nature.
----------------
For example, because of the changes in the English language, a number of words occur in the King James that make zero sense to most people today. These include the following nuggets that you will find scattered here and there:

Almug
Algum
Charashim
Chode
Cracknels
Gat
Habergeon
Hosen
Kab
Ligure
Neesed
Nusings
Ouches
ring-straked
sycamyne
trow
wimples, ….

The King James translators also translated some animal names into animals that in fact we now have pretty good reason for thinking don’t actually exist:

unicorn (Deut. 33:17)
satyr (Isa 13:21);
dragon (Deut 32:33) (for serpent)
cockatrice (Iswa 11:8),
arrowsnake (Gen 49:11, in the margin).

Moreover, there are phrases that simply don’t make sense any more to modern readers: Phrases that no longer make sense:

ouches of gold (Exod. 28:11);
collops of fat (Job 15:25);
naughty figs (Jer 24:2);
ien with (Jer. 3:2);
the ground is chapt (Jer 14:4);
brazen wall” (Jer 15:20);
rentest thy face (Jer. 4:30);
urrain of the cattle (Exod. 9:2);

And there are whole sentences that are confusing at best, virtually indecipherable (or humorous)

And Jacob sod pottage (Gen 25:29)
And Mt. Sinai was altogether on a smoke (Exoc. 19:18)
Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing (Ps. 5:6)
I trow not (Luke 17:9)
We do you to wit of the grace of God (2 Cor. 8:1)
Ye are not straitened in us, but ye are straitened in your own bowels (2 Cor. 6:12)
He who letteth will let (2 Thes 2:7)
The words of the wise are as goads, and as nails fastened by the masters of assemblies, which are given from one shepherd (Eccles. 12:11)

Other sentences make sense, but would today be considered somewhat problematic – at least for the sacred Scripture. My favorite is the one that refers to one who: “Pisseth against the wall:…. 1 Sam 25:22, 34, I Kings 14:10!
(this phrase is used instead of the word man. NIV uses the word man)
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Ouches has morphed into broaches for example. Thus broaches of gold makes sense. 400 years of language changes!!

Not only these archaic terms, but and probably the most egregious is the terms that were not translated but transliterated such as baptize, and pastor, which could have been translated and the real meaning better served, for baptize we would have emersed in, and for pastor we would have Shepard. This would leave no room for sprinkling and pastors who are out of their role.
Fro me there is one more major sticking point and that would be "Textus Receptus" which is the majority text from which the KJV was translated/transliterated/ interpreted from. The Textus Receptus was the work of a Dutch humanist named Erasmus, who was trying to get his work approved for print before Cardinal Francisco Jiménez de Cisneros could finish his work and have approval.
The problem is with Erasmus himself, the proclaimed Prince of Christian humanists, who also wrote "Copia: Foundations of the Abundant Style" which is basically a text book teaching how to rewrite pre-existing texts, and how to incorporate rhetoric in the new composition, and instructed on how to embellish, amplify, and add variety to speech and writing.
The implications of this philosophy of writing, when translating Biblical text is at least concerning, when you consider that the man who wrote this also did the majority text from which the KJV was taken.

While I don't think that anything you've shared here is incorrect, it is a bit misleading. "Humanist" means something quite different today than it did in 1515. It's unfortunate that you made the same error that the KJV-onlyists do, by assuming that meanings haven't changed!

Also, it is a fallacy of guilt by association to conclude that just because Erasmus wrote a treatise on how to embellish existing writings, that he did so with the biblical text. If he had done so, such embellishments would have been exposed long ago. He did add a few conjectural emendations, but these were primarily where his source material was inadequate, such as with the last few verses of Revelation. Even though Erasmus was a Catholic priest and a 'humanist', the work of collation that he accomplished was of high quality.

Further, the term "Textus Receptus" was an advertising gimmick from about 1632, when the Elzevir brothers wanted to sell their version of the text. The family of texts that Erasmus used is now known as the majority text, simply because there are more manuscripts in that family than in other families. He actually had about half a dozen manuscripts at his disposal (and none complete); a far cry from the 5800-some available today.

these dictionaries are written long after the conflagration / replacement happened around 1700 years ago in 325 AD
their definitions reflect 1700 years of misuse of the terms.

the Greek pascha does not mean resurrection i don't know where you're pulling that information from. that is just plain factually incorrect. Greek for resurrection is anastasis -- go look up John 11:25, Jesus did not say "I AM the Easter"
does that say pascha anywhere? no. it doesn't. if you insist it does then you need to also go change the rest of the Bible.

Greek Pascha is a direct transliteration of the Hebrew for Pesach. it is not a Greek word in origin at all; it is an Hebrew word incorporated into the Greek language and it means to pass over. the same is true of Latin -- Pachal / Pascha was transliterated into Latin it is not a Latin word with some other etymology. same is true for French, for Gothic, for Italian, etc.
High German replaces the Gothic transliterated word with 'Ostern' and English does with 'Easter' -- but this 'feast day' bears no relation to Pascha as defined in the scripture even though the Roman church equivocated it. as late as the 8th century when the word Eostare is first recorded in the English language, and is having something to do with the month Pascha takes place in, Bede still calls it 'Pachal month' -- not using the word Eostare to refer to the feast at all but remarking that it is a word named after a pagan goddess.


you don't have an argument, Fred.
someone preaching about Christ's resurrection is to be expected. Christ rose. it doesn't change etymological facts.
you don't have sound logic, Fred.

if anyone in the world used the word Easter in the 1st century they were saying Eostare and it was definitely referring to a dawn goddess, not Jesus.
Luke used the word Pascha. for 1500 years every Bible in any language faithfully used the word Pascha or a transliteration of it.
somewhere in the dark ages the Germanic peoples around the throne of the holy roman empire exchanged it for 'Oster' and they did it throughout the whole NT.
Tyndale IMO heavily influenced by Luther here, replaced the word God had written, Pachal / Pascha, with 'Easter' throughout the entire Bible in English.
this is obviously an over-reaching attempt to delete the Jewish connection to the feast day that Christ chose to offer Himself on and replace it with a completely invented one. Constantine said as much in his letter to the Nicene council: his wish was to totally separate the day of remembrance of Christ's resurrection from its Hebraic basis -- which happens to be the scriptural basis.
Pascha is scriptural.
Christ rising on firstfruits is scriptural.
Eostare is not scriptural. neither in the day it is observed nor in the customs and traditions with which it is observed not in the name.
the KJV of Acts 12 simply preserves that same legacy of changing the times and seasons.

keep whatever day you want, so long as you keep it to the Lord. idc. you're not condemned by keeping it or by not.
but i personally would rather be informed of the truth, and i'd rather be right. i wouldn't exchange the truth for loyalty to a translation -- but that's just me.

I see what you are doin'. Although, am not certain as to the "why" of it. Save for "educational" purposes.
Seems you are either knowingly, or unknowingly, (or willingly ignorantly) explaining, and/or justifying, and/or teaching, concerning the "apostasy", handed down, and gaining speed, over the course of history. Likening it, rather to (a) New and Improved "Gospel". In other words? Showing readers how TRADITIONS of Man, have made void the Word of God.
All this is just over the matter/s concerning Passover!
Gives a very legitimate cause in a believer's wondering, if this has been done regarding Passover?
What "other" ways concerning He who sent Christ, have been altered, and/or DELIBERATELY "mistaught" over this present earth/heaven age?
Or better yet? How is one to "amend" for, or start "FILLING the void", traditions of man have dug a hole through to the bottomless pit (void) for us?

Not that so fast, for I owned the 2 Volume Dictionaries as a rare collection which is “The Shorter Oxford English Dictionary on Historical Principles” which I cited most of the time. The edition is completely reset with Etymologies by GWS Friedrichsen. This major undertaking represents more than eight years work of GWSF. Moreover, the dictionary was compiled and edited from materials amounting to over five million quotations derived from English works of literature and records of all kinds and resulted in 15,000 large quarto pages. Moreover, the 2 Volume Dictionary as stated in its Preface “…covers the history of the general English vocabulary from the days of King Alfred..." King Alfred(849-901AD) is a king of England who translated the Ten Commandments, the Psalms and part of the Gospels in English. Downplaying this is to misunderstood the laborious works of some members of the Oxford Philologist/scholars. Of course NayborBear, it is not my intention to void the word of God for it is I believe it is in the Word of God.

Not only these archaic terms, but and probably the most egregious is the terms that were not translated but transliterated such as baptize, and pastor, which could have been translated and the real meaning better served, for baptize we would have emersed in, and for pastor we would have Shepard. This would leave no room for sprinkling and pastors who are out of their role.
Fro me there is one more major sticking point and that would be "Textus Receptus" which is the majority text from which the KJV was translated/transliterated/ interpreted from. The Textus Receptus was the work of a Dutch humanist named Erasmus, who was trying to get his work approved for print before Cardinal Francisco Jiménez de Cisneros could finish his work and have approval.
The problem is with Erasmus himself, the proclaimed Prince of Christian humanists, who also wrote "Copia: Foundations of the Abundant Style" which is basically a text book teaching how to rewrite pre-existing texts, and how to incorporate rhetoric in the new composition, and instructed on how to embellish, amplify, and add variety to speech and writing.
The implications of this philosophy of writing, when translating Biblical text is at least concerning, when you consider that the man who wrote this also did the majority text from which the KJV was taken.

While I admire that you have some very rare books written and compiled by some very honorable people.
I wonder if within those pages they "etymologized (sp?)" the word "apostasy", or the "falling/drifting away", from the "faith?" Or the word "euphemism?" Or, the "watering down" of a word's definition, or certain phrase/s, especially, as to how it pertains to the "sacred texts." Which might "offend the senses", of those "dull of hearing."

All of which these people you mentioned, is nothing new, actually. Even from as far back (and even further back, with Enoch) as God's humble servant Elijah. Who cried unto God exclaiming, that "they have killed all your Priests!" "And, now?" "They're coming after me!"
So, it really is no huge "secret", that "Those called by MY NAME", (and not necessarily Christ's name. But also, He who sent Christ) have chosen to place TARGETS on their collective back sides.
One would have to ask oneself: "Who would do such a thing, willingly?" Especially, after reading the N.T., where not even one of Jesus's original twelve Disciples asked to be a Disciple. They were CHOSEN! Meaning? They had NO say regarding the matter! Paul's "come to Jesus" moment wasn't even of his volunteering!

This is unlike those of the O.T., who were "born into" the Levitical Priesthood. And, after the passing of time? Even some of those strayed, from "the Ways of God!" (Ezra/Nehemiah. And especially before that)

Time, may well be on Mick Jagger's side. But time, is not so friendly to and for those of "the true faith!"

Anyway, what I'm getting at, is that in mankind's "struggle" to keep on keeping on? Is by a "willfully blurring of the target!"
And, what the writers' and compilers of these books you have are actually doing? Is bearing witness to this.
Matthew 13
28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
Numbers 18
12 All the best of the oil, and all the best of the wine, and of the wheat, the firstfruits of them which they shall offer unto the Lord, them have I given thee.
John 3
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

The war is very real between flesh and Spirit! Considering, the Spirit is that immovable object? And flesh being that irresistable force going forwards?
Consider this:
Revelation 13
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man (sons of iniquity); and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
Jude
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Genesis 2
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.