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While Jesus walked this world, He did not utter a peep about homosexuals.

But, among His dying words (last utterances from the cross) were, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do."
Sorry Magenta .....but Paul had lots to say
 

Magenta

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Sorry Magenta .....but Paul had lots to say
Sorry, UnderGrace, I specifically said Jesus, while He walked this world, and the question also specifically had to do with Jesus, while He walked his world, not Paul, or anyone else for that matter. If you wish to contest what I have said, please provide Scripture to do so.
 
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You have a crystal ball?
Do not boast about tomorrow, for you do not know what a day may bring.
Proverbs 27:1
I think that verse is addressing another situation than what I was describing. Let’s rather be praying for a sinners salvation than resort to mockery.
 
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Sorry, UnderGrace, I specifically said Jesus, while He walked this world, and the question had to do with Jesus, while He walked his world, not Paul, or anyone else for that matter. If you wish to contest what I have said, please provide Scripture to do so.

Sorry Magenta, not contesting but adding to get a fuller picture of how we live our lives in this world to be both salt and light.

We know Jesus came to fulfill the law, which means He accepted and approved of the law as written therefore he did not approve of same sex relations.
 

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Judge not lest ye be judged!
And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil.
For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed.
John 3:19-20

Yes we are not to judge in the final sense of salvation against people of the world for this judgement belongs to Christ Jesus.
BUT we are to judge or examine ourselves against the word of God.
We are also expected to exercise wisdom and discernment in matters of Christian doctrine and behaviours.
if my brother walks not in the way then he who is spiritual ought to admonish him.
I guess we are admonishing one another.
In the end we shall all stand before the judgement seat ...
Let marriage be held in honour among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous.
Hebrews 13:4
 

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Sorry Magenta, not contesting but adding to get a fuller picture of how we live our lives in this world to be both salt and light.

We know Jesus came to fulfill the law, which means He accepted and approved of the law as written therefore he did not approve of same sex relations.
How WE as believers are to live our lives, not how the unbeliever chooses to live. Jesus walked among sinners, ate and drank with them. And, He said not one word concerning homosexuals while He walked this earth. Why do so many believers shy away from acknowledging this?
 
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How WE as believers are to live our lives, not how the unbeliever chooses to live. Jesus walked among sinners, ate and drank with them. And, He said not one word concerning homosexuals while He walked this earth. Why do so many believers shy away from acknowledging this?
Did Jesus address every single sin?
Did he mention bestiality, I believe the law does prohibit it.
 

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Did Jesus address every single sin?
Did he mention bestiality, I believe the law does prohibit it.
Red herring. Why do Christians have so much to say about homosexuality when Jesus said not one word about it while He walked this world? Some of the naysayers here talk as if being in the presence of a homosexual will turn you into one. I hope you see that as a ridiculous position to take. Personally I laud Ricky for keeping the lines of communication open between him and his nephew. If and when his beloved nephew ever does wish to know the reason for the hope Christians have, he will know from personal experience that his uncle is an approachable man, not someone who spews hatred and condemnation at him because he is a sinner.
 

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How WE as believers are to live our lives, not how the unbeliever chooses to live. Jesus walked among sinners, ate and drank with them. And, He said not one word concerning homosexuals while He walked this earth. Why do so many believers shy away from acknowledging this?
There is a consistent fundamental denial going on here be those who are more "liberal" with their interpretation of our walk as
Christians - being ambassadors to Christ ...
Jesus and the apostles obviously spent time amongst sinners but did not partake of their pagan ceremonies ...
it is one thing to be at a soccer match and to chat to the person next to you about how God can heal them from an ailment,
it is all together different - spiritually and morally - to attend a blasphemous ritual that is an abomination to God.
Did Jesus enter the Temple of Zeus and partake of the animals sacrifices there?
Some Christians in this thread are not acknowledging the profanity of what a same-sex "marriage" is.
It is not the same as preaching the gospel in a shopping centre or mall to the general public.

It is one thing to spend time amongst the "unsaved" or those who are not baptized Christians - like going to a football match,
or going out to a family social event, or being involved in a hobby club, etc etc
but a wedding - a marriage ceremony - is not just a social event.
Marriage is spiritual and God given right from the beginning.
People of all cultures and faiths do marry through numerous religious ceremonies because God started the ball rolling with our
ancestors.
Marriage of a man and a woman is still considered the highest best form of personal relationship - an ideal.
Same sex "marriage" is a corruption, a mockery, a sham, a deliberate profanity against God (and against religion).
It matters not what vows are exchanged between a same sex couple it is blasphemy.
And why would any righteous Christian want to partake of blasphemy and give it a stamp of acceptance.
 

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There is a consistent fundamental denial going on here be those who are more "liberal" with their interpretation of our walk as
Christians - being ambassadors to Christ ...
Jesus and the apostles obviously spent time amongst sinners but did not partake of their pagan ceremonies ...
it is one thing to be at a soccer match and to chat to the person next to you about how God can heal them from an ailment,
it is all together different - spiritually and morally - to attend a blasphemous ritual that is an abomination to God.
Did Jesus enter the Temple of Zeus and partake of the animals sacrifices there?
Some Christians in this thread are not acknowledging the profanity of what a same-sex "marriage" is.
It is not the same as preaching the gospel in a shopping centre or mall to the general public.

It is one thing to spend time amongst the "unsaved" or those who are not baptized Christians - like going to a football match,
or going out to a family social event, or being involved in a hobby club, etc etc
but a wedding - a marriage ceremony - is not just a social event.
Marriage is spiritual and God given right from the beginning.
People of all cultures and faiths do marry through numerous religious ceremonies because God started the ball rolling with our
ancestors.
Marriage of a man and a woman is still considered the highest best form of personal relationship - an ideal.
Same sex "marriage" is a corruption, a mockery, a sham, a deliberate profanity against God (and against religion).
It matters not what vows are exchanged between a same sex couple it is blasphemy.
And why would any righteous Christian want to partake of blasphemy and give it a stamp of acceptance.
Your idea of blasphemy differs from mine.
 

Magenta

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Otherwise, yes, I agree: there is a fundamental difference between those who choose to love the sinner and those who choose to hate the sinner. Jesus calls us to love, even our enemies.
 
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Red herring. Why do Christians have so much to say about homosexuality when Jesus said not one word about it while He walked this world? Some of the naysayers here talk as if being in the presence of a homosexual will turn you into one. I hope you see that as a ridiculous position to take. Personally I laud Ricky for keeping the lines of communication open between him and his nephew. If and when his beloved nephew ever does wish to know the reason for the hope Christians have, he will know from personal experience that his uncle is an approachable man, not someone who spews hatred and condemnation at him because he is a sinner.
Not a red herring ...I am not trying to lead you to a false conclusion...LOL it is a straight forward analogy and painfully obvious that it relates directly.

Believe as you will.

Always comes down the "hate" and "judging" allegation, so sad really, exactly how the world views the Christian who states that homosexuality, adultery, fornication etc., are all sins,

The secular group mind think has accomplished exactly what it set out to do have Christians follow the same line of thinking.

Stating a behaviour is a sin, is not judging, it is stating the truth, which means these are "destroying" behaviours to both body and soul.

We are told to flee sexual immorality for a reason.
 
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There is a consistent fundamental denial going on here be those who are more "liberal" with their interpretation of our walk as
Christians - being ambassadors to Christ ...
Jesus and the apostles obviously spent time amongst sinners but did not partake of their pagan ceremonies ...
it is one thing to be at a soccer match and to chat to the person next to you about how God can heal them from an ailment,
it is all together different - spiritually and morally - to attend a blasphemous ritual that is an abomination to God.
Did Jesus enter the Temple of Zeus and partake of the animals sacrifices there?
Some Christians in this thread are not acknowledging the profanity of what a same-sex "marriage" is.
It is not the same as preaching the gospel in a shopping centre or mall to the general public.

It is one thing to spend time amongst the "unsaved" or those who are not baptized Christians - like going to a football match,
or going out to a family social event, or being involved in a hobby club, etc etc
but a wedding - a marriage ceremony - is not just a social event.
Marriage is spiritual and God given right from the beginning.
People of all cultures and faiths do marry through numerous religious ceremonies because God started the ball rolling with our
ancestors.
Marriage of a man and a woman is still considered the highest best form of personal relationship - an ideal.
Same sex "marriage" is a corruption, a mockery, a sham, a deliberate profanity against God (and against religion).
It matters not what vows are exchanged between a same sex couple it is blasphemy.
And why would any righteous Christian want to partake of blasphemy and give it a stamp of acceptance.

Exactly ....Thank you!!
 

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I would agree very much with not allowing drunks, homos, adulterers, astrologists and liars not to be allowed church memberships unless they repentant. But I worked in an all night wedding chapel for seven years and have witnessed 1,000's of weddings between total strangers. Signing as witness did not mean I approved of the wedding. It meant, I saw it and it happened then and there. It was a legal document.

I don't know where most of them came from, what there religion was for the most part or what they did after they left. I was offered to join them on the honeymoon several times, which I politely declined. I never became one of them.

I did not and do not feel I was an enabler, they could have gotten some bum off of the street. At least I wore a Tuxedo!

The world today is certainly no gayer than it the Greco/Roman societies in which the Lord and the disciples walked and taught. What do you think went on in their bath houses? Please quit equating going to a wedding reception the same as going to a roman bath house. It is not!
Mark 7:15 New Living Translation (NLT)
15 "It’s not what goes into your body that defiles you; you are defiled by what comes from your heart.”
 

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Not a red herring ...I am not trying to lead you to a false conclusion...LOL it is a straight forward analogy and painfully obvious that it relates directly.

Believe as you will.

Always comes down the "hate" and "judging" allegation, so sad really, exactly how the world views the Christian who states that homosexuality, adultery, fornication etc., are all sins,

The secular group mind think has accomplished exactly what it set out to do have Christians follow the same line of thinking.

Stating a behaviour is a sin, is not judging, it is stating the truth, which means these are "destroying" behaviours to both body and soul.

We are told to flee sexual immorality for a reason.
A red herring attempts to detract from the point at hand which you have tried to do. Bestiality? Really? Please repeat after me: Jesus said not one word about homosexuality while He walked this world. Can you do it? Nobody has denied these things as sin = another red herring. Ricky acknowledges his nephew's homosexual lifestyle and marriage as sinful, and his nephew knows it. Fleeing sexual immorality in our own lives is not the issue here, either. You do not become a homosexual by association.
 

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Why would you as a Christian drink beer, or any other alcohol?

I don't believe that drinking alcohol is a sin, especially in moderation during social occasions. The first miracle Jesus performed, at the urging of His mother, was to turn water into wine at the wedding at Cana. According to the chief wine steward it was choice, the best that there is. For the record though, I have abstained from alcohol since 1992, not because it was sinful but to set a good example to my brother who is a lifelong alcoholic. Now, I love alcohol but each day I chose not to drink. Even Paul mentioned drinking a little wine to ease the pain and discomfort.
 

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14 If you are insulted for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you.
15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer or a thief or an evildoer or as a meddler.
16 Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in that name.
17 For it is time for judgment to begin at the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will be the outcome for those who
do not obey the gospel of God?
18 And “If the righteous is scarcely saved, what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?”
1Peter 4:
 
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A red herring attempts to detract from the point at hand which you have tried to do. Bestiality? Really? Please repeat after me: Jesus said not one word about homosexuality while He walked this world. Can you do it? Nobody has denied these things as sin = another red herring. Ricky acknowledges his nephew's marriage as sinful, and his nephew knows it. Fleeing sexual immorality in our own lives is not the issue here, either. You do not become a homosexual by association.

Well I was making general comments and I know exactly why I stated what I did.

And analogies are allowed in debates btw... and they are not red herrings!

What difference does it make that Jesus never mentioned homosexuality?