Faith is a work.
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None of those verses point to the error that is through baptism we are saved. The closest is Acts 22:16 ...
Acts 22:16 NKJV
[16] And now why are you waiting? Arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord.'
which is connected with calling on the name of the Lord. If washing away sins by baptism were true, it would contradict scores of verses that point to the fact thai it is the Blood of Jesus, the Lamb of God, that takes away sin...
Revelation 1:5 NKJV
[5] and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood,
Ephesians 1:7 NKJV
[7] In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace
Colossians 1:14 NKJV
[14] in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins.
Hebrews 9:22 KJV
[22] And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
So cherry picking verses won't cut it, especially from non doctrinal books like Acts.
Acts 22:16 NKJV
[16] And now why are you waiting? Arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord.'
which is connected with calling on the name of the Lord. If washing away sins by baptism were true, it would contradict scores of verses that point to the fact thai it is the Blood of Jesus, the Lamb of God, that takes away sin...
Revelation 1:5 NKJV
[5] and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood,
Ephesians 1:7 NKJV
[7] In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace
Colossians 1:14 NKJV
[14] in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins.
Hebrews 9:22 KJV
[22] And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
So cherry picking verses won't cut it, especially from non doctrinal books like Acts.
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At what point does the blood of Jesus wash our sins away? Is it faith? When do we come into contact with his blood? His blood was shed in his death. Now read Romans 6:3-9. We were baptized into his death. Romans pictures us going down into the water a sinful man and coming up out of the water a new man. Resurrected with Christ. In “newness of life”. The only place in the Bible that we come into contac with his blood is in baptism...baptized into his death. That’s where the blood of Christ is. And that’s where his blood washes our sins away.
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When we confess our sins.
Romans never mentions water or water baptism.
If baptism is so instrumental to salvation, why does Paul say...
"I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;"
(1Co 1:14)
Rather, Paul says...
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
(Rom 1:16-17) (not works)
Romans never mentions water or water baptism.
If baptism is so instrumental to salvation, why does Paul say...
"I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;"
(1Co 1:14)
Rather, Paul says...
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
(Rom 1:16-17) (not works)
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Hivyo hii inatoka kwenye imani ni thread ya kazi kwenye thread ya kuzaliwa upya?
((just in case it also needs to be a tongues thread
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((just in case it also needs to be a tongues thread
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you are saying God forgive me for mocking what I do not understand
gee. things could get serious
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'only' ?
Then Jesus said unto them,
Verily, verily I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink His blood, ye have no life in you.
Verily, verily I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink His blood, ye have no life in you.
Whosoever eateth My flesh, and drinketh My blood, hath eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.
For My flesh is meat indeed, and My blood is drink indeed.
He that eateth My flesh, and drinketh My blood, dwelleth in Me, and I in him.
As that living Father hath sent Me, so live I by the Father, and he that eateth Me, even he shall live by Me.
(John 6:53-57)
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i can if i think 'i have faith' because i'm more clever than the person who doesn't.
i can if i think 'i have faith' because i'm more righteous than the person who doesn't.
i can if i think faith is my own work.
i can if i think 'i have faith' because i'm more righteous than the person who doesn't.
i can if i think faith is my own work.
What do you have that you did not receive?
And if you did receive it, why do you boast as if you had not received it?
(1 Corinthians 4:7)
And if you did receive it, why do you boast as if you had not received it?
(1 Corinthians 4:7)
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it's become a very common fallacy around here to allude to Matthew 7:13-14 and assert that because you are in the minority, you must be right.
the Bible discussion on a Christian chat board is a minority to begin with. we don't represent the majority of the internet, by far. we don't represent the majority of church members, either - most of them don't read their Bibles and don't talk about what's in them. we don't even represent the majority of people who do read their Bibles; most of them don't actively go out and look for a community to discuss what they read. you're not even talking to a majority of CC's membership -- a lot of people avoid the BDF section like plague.
you're already among a minority.
if you have two groups, a 'many' and a 'few' -- and after taking steps to isolate the 'few' if you find a minority within that minority, could it be that what you've discovered is a bit of the majority? a 'many' that found its way into the 'few' ?
being right may make one unpopular, for sure - but being unpopular doesn't make a person right.
the Bible discussion on a Christian chat board is a minority to begin with. we don't represent the majority of the internet, by far. we don't represent the majority of church members, either - most of them don't read their Bibles and don't talk about what's in them. we don't even represent the majority of people who do read their Bibles; most of them don't actively go out and look for a community to discuss what they read. you're not even talking to a majority of CC's membership -- a lot of people avoid the BDF section like plague.
you're already among a minority.
if you have two groups, a 'many' and a 'few' -- and after taking steps to isolate the 'few' if you find a minority within that minority, could it be that what you've discovered is a bit of the majority? a 'many' that found its way into the 'few' ?
being right may make one unpopular, for sure - but being unpopular doesn't make a person right.
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Speaking of faith, I pray that my heavenly Father gives me stronger faith. I’ve been stuggling with anxiety and I know that worrying and anxiety is a sin and it’s also a lack of faith. I feel like it’s a spiritual battle, well we’re all going through battle everyday as Christians but I really need to get rid of this anxiety and I can’t do it alone. I just don’t want Him to be upset with me, I’m really trying to overcome this. I do believe and I do have faith but I need it to be stronger by surrendering completely to Him and laying it all at his feet, knowing that he’s my protection and shield. I pray that he forgives me and I know he understands and knows exactly why I have this anxiety. I pray to Him how I feel always and how much I need Him. Does anyone else in here struggle with anxiety and think it’s attacking their faith?
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Is faith a work?
Then you could get more faith by working harder at faith.
How could you do this? By reading more scripture, by obedience, by praising or walking better
with God?
Our faith grows because God responds, because God does things that gives clarity and understanding
to who He is in our lives. Walking in faith, is trusting the thing that God has given us.
This logic would seem to mean, we actually have no control over how our faith grows, but it is God
who nurtures and helps us to grow in it.
At best by not putting into practice our faith, it can die.
29 Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."
John 6
Gods work is for us to believe in Jesus.
Is there a difference between believing in Jesus and having faith in Jesus?
The aspect of believing someone is proving what they are saying is true.
This takes effort and putting things into practice and seeing the result.
Having faith in Jesus is about trust. I have faith that He will do what He has promised.
So we can work at the results of our belief, but you either believe someone or you do not.
You can interpret what they are saying, which bring about other implications.
Jesus in John 6:27 is saying they are following Him because he fed them not because it was
miraculous. So their loyalty was not spiritual but worldly. This applies as much today as
at any time. God bless you.
Then you could get more faith by working harder at faith.
How could you do this? By reading more scripture, by obedience, by praising or walking better
with God?
Our faith grows because God responds, because God does things that gives clarity and understanding
to who He is in our lives. Walking in faith, is trusting the thing that God has given us.
This logic would seem to mean, we actually have no control over how our faith grows, but it is God
who nurtures and helps us to grow in it.
At best by not putting into practice our faith, it can die.
29 Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."
John 6
Gods work is for us to believe in Jesus.
Is there a difference between believing in Jesus and having faith in Jesus?
The aspect of believing someone is proving what they are saying is true.
This takes effort and putting things into practice and seeing the result.
Having faith in Jesus is about trust. I have faith that He will do what He has promised.
So we can work at the results of our belief, but you either believe someone or you do not.
You can interpret what they are saying, which bring about other implications.
Jesus in John 6:27 is saying they are following Him because he fed them not because it was
miraculous. So their loyalty was not spiritual but worldly. This applies as much today as
at any time. God bless you.
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