Do you want the truth? Here is the truth about eschatology

Do you believe that because of Irenaeus? The same guy who thought Jesus was 50 years old when He was crucified. Irenaeus' statement in the Greek is completely ambiguous. There are two choices. He could have been referring to John Himself or the book of Revelation. FWIW, it is interesting that church tradition has John living to be very old.

If a person understands correctly that Revelation is about the destruction of old covenant Israel and the fulfilling of everything written in the law and prophets (Matt 5:17-18 & Luke 21:22) then it becomes clear that the book was written before 70 AD. We don't need outside sources to guess and try and tell us when they think it was written. The contents of the book tell you when it was written.

All I know is to say that the world has a lot of good in it and does not need to be rescued is as far from the truth as can be, nor would the Spirit of God lead one to say such drivel....and for sure God would not lead ANOTHER believer to like that lie that is straight from the pit!

If you want to remain hung up on Rev 13 and ignore the dozens of verses that tell us the TIME when God's kingdom would come (Luke 21:31-32) that is up to you. I understand why people do it. They don't want to lose their "rapture", or their earthly kingdom, or their chance at escape. But the reality is, you can't lose what was never there. Don't Christians want the truth? Those verses are very clear. I apologize I don't mean to beat you over the head about this but I marvel at people's obstinance.

What do you think all those verses in my original post mean? I put them together like that because I was hoping people would recognize the picture that they paint. It didn't begin then. It ended then. That's why Peter says in 1 Peter 4:7, "the end of all things is at hand." What do you think all those verses mean?

The Lord already returned a long time ago so it will be the latter.

There is some controversy around the date that Revelation was written. The late date relies on the statement made by Irenaeus
which can be interpreted differently. There is also a copy of Revelation that states that Nero was in power when John wrote the book. Apart from that not widely known that Domitian stood in as Emperor for six months before AD70. In Revelation John is told to measure the Temple which would be difficult if it was in ruins. The same instructions were given to Ezekiel who was carried to Jerusalem by the Holy Spirit to do the measuring.

Tell me which one of those verses I manipulated and how? And you are making assertions that I put "misplaced faith in the writings and studies of others" but in my original post I listed no writers but God.

You are making the same mistake that 99% of the church has made on eschatology for 2,000 years. You are trying to make the kingdom PHYSICAL and it is not (Luke 17:20-21, John 14:23, Col 1:27, Rev 3:20). And you are ignoring dozens of clear time statements for when Christ's kingdom would come.

The ONLY possible fulfillment according to Jesus, Peter, James, John, Paul and the other NT writers was the first century. You are also trying to say there is multiple fulfillments of the SAME prophecy. Please give some examples from Scripture.

Why did Peter in 1 Peter 4:7 say, "The end of ALL things is AT HAND"?
Why did James say in James 5:8, "The coming of the Lord is AT HAND"?
Why did John say in 1 John 2:18, "It is the LAST HOUR"?
Why did the writer of Hebrews in Heb 10:37 say in the Greek, "Hoson, Hoson, Mikron" which in English is a "very, very, little" while He who was coming would come and NOT DELAY. Mikron is where we get the English word for micro. The Lord came a long time ago. I didn't get that from theologians. I got that from the Bible.

I mean this with all due respect sir, I truly do, but it is going to sound harsh so I apologize in advance.

You are the type of person who in the middle ages would have burned people at the stake for disagreeing with you, calling them heretics, and in your ignorance thought you were offering service to God.

Keep dreaming pal...and keep peddling the world is good and does not need to be rescued.....

Take that up with John and all the prophetic utterances that speak to the current world facing the fiery indignation of God.....see how your view holds up when it gets torched!!

Are you one of those that God is revealing new truths to for the end times?

None of those statements meant a physical temple in Jerusalem just like Jesus never meant the physical temple here:

John 2:19 Jesus answered, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up again.” 20“This temple took forty-six years to build,” the Jews replied, “and You are going to raise it up in three days?” 21But Jesus was speaking about the temple of His body.

Excuse me but,ARE YOU EVEN A BELIEVER IN THE FATHER,THE SON,AND THE HOLY SPIRIT? I agree there are many HIDDEN truths in God's word. We are to search the scriptures daily for it is there we find the way God leads,and wants us to go! Your thoughts and YOUR way of putting together the word is erroneous,you WILL NOT decieve a true believer in their hope found in what is written! If this is your MAIN focus in your walk( that is IF you are a follower of Christ) you my friend need to pray and ask the Holy Spirit to take control and lead you into a right way of thinking,least WHEN THAT....DAY.... COMES YOU BE FOUND WANTING! May God give peace to your troubled mind!🙏

Can you please tell me where is the line of demarcation between what is fulfilled and what is yet to be fulfilled. You can use the Olivet Discourse or Revelations. Thank you.... am very curious.

Has anyone yet responded to this?
A lot of emotion and derisive comments though.

Not because of Irenaeus but because of:

Simple instruction from within the bible itself.

Matt 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

Rev 10:11And they told me, “You must prophesy again about many peoples and nations and tongues and kings.”

The gospel is a witness to all nations not just Jerusalem and following how the apostles preached (Acts of the Apostles), you'll find out their work globally, spread to early 60AD. And this was not their written work, just their movements only. With a lot of persecution happening in the 60AD, their movement were restricted and some were jailed, so the epistles came in handy and this IMO, pushed the time beyond 70AD. So almost impossible to have Revelation as the last book before 70AD.

Q. Why were they supposed to preach the gospel to every nation as a witness before the end, when the end would only occur in Jerusalem

The Jot or title ( letter of the law of killer ) The perfect Law, will be in effect until the "last day". The same day the second death is destroyed to confirm the Jot and tile had served it purpose. and simotaniiously a new body for those whose born again spirit will rise. All in the twinkling of a eye.

We walk by faith not what the eyes see, the temporal

I would agree no physical corruptible kingdom that could come by walking by sight.The Spirit of Christ will come on the "last day".

One of the better tools that seems to gets put to side by the literalist and you also it seems .The kingdom of God does not come by what the eyes see .It is not of this corrupted creation rather than walking by faith .

Judgment day for death and in the same twinkling of the eye the new creature *Christians) They will receive their new incoruutped bodies. Not flesh and blood it cannot enter the new order,…..Nothing corruptible will

John 11:24Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

John 12:48He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day

I would think we should use the faith tools he has given us the as the 20/20 prescription that it seems the literalist stay away from

2 Corinthians 4:18While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

The time period God used Jewish flesh as a metaphor in a parable which was a type of the abomination of desolation standing in the unseen Holy Place. It had to cone to a end God is not a man as us never was never could be.

There are those today who would say; "lets rebuild that in which God destroyed" by the reformation.

It would seem they are not informed of the reformation and its purpose. Or those that would again an offer some sort of outward demonstration of the lamb of God slain from before the the foundation of the world. only one promised.

The demonstration is not the work literal unseen work of God poring out his unseen Spirit on flesh.

Jesus says his flesh profits for nothing .In most cases that is also ignoreed in exchange of a fleshly Jesus .Or called a Daysman

The one time demonstration spoken of in Isiah 53 has come to end . Jesus left clear instruction. . . In affect stating. . . I am not a man like you are neither is their a infallible flesh interpret. You should of taken a snap shot it would last longer.

2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, "yet now henceforth know we him no more".

lol, on page 2 post #39 I suggested to you to do a google search of the soon,near,at hand type wording used by our Lord in the OT have you done so?
If not you might find it interesting just how many times the Lord speaking through prophets used that same "soon,near,at hand ect." when speaking of the "day of the Lord"

In Hebrew the word most often used is str.#7138 (qurob) Zephaniah 1:14-18,Ezekiel 30:3-4,,,Joel 1:15,,,Obadiah 1:15-16,,,Isaiah 13:6-9,,,ect.ect if you notice they all say that the day of the lord is near,at hand ect. but they were all written about 700-600bce (the Lord has always spoken as if the day of the Lord was near)...

A speculation as well, I can compare evenings and mornings, there was 12 evenings and mornings in genesis.