Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

A good question? I am chosen, a servant, a blind man given sight, a lost individual with no hope
doomed to destruction, given a treasure beyond measure. Jesus keeps me, is my breadth, my morning
and my night, the thing I love and the thing that I depend upon. His grace is all I have, and each
day I rise at His will and in His tender care.

Belief is not how I would describe this, dwelling and abiding is. There is no other place.

I am curious to if you agree that faith is the way we complete it - as Jesus tells us in John 6:28-29
…28Then they inquired, “What must we do to perform the works of God?”
29Jesus replied,“The work of God is this: to believe in the OneHe has sent.”

Do you believe that Jesus is the Holy Spirit? That the Father is the Holy Spirit?
Or that you can lose salvation - when Jesus Himself is the eternal life dwelling inside of you?

Me personally believes in what He says: I will never leave you or forsake you, and that He has the ability to keep me.
I do also believe that if I ever were to walk off - which I never in a lifetime would do - I would die, but the spirit would be saved,
because of the work God has done. I know for a fact, 100% that His Spirit is within, as I believe every believer should do.

Wrong

In any language if has multiple meanings, even in scripture it does not always means if.

In context. Hebrews is saying, If a person falls away (if it were possible) they could not be renewed.

Saying this proves a person can lose salvation, You must in context admit it means once that salvation is lost it is gone forever.

Theological concepts and terms need precision and clarity when being explained. Each generation struggles to convey these truths.

I studied the teachings of a creative teacher years back that used different analogies and a unique vocabulary to convey the concepts of being spiritual or carnal.

One verse that was central to his explanation was 1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

For the true believer who after their initial forgiveness and salvation, but then sins, 1 Jn. 1:9 was their route to restoring fellowship.

Paul spoke of Christians being carnal or spiritual. These concepts are fairly straightforward. One is either spiritual or carnal at any point in time. One is either one or the other in an absolute sense, according to the Greek. One can’t be a “little” spiritual or a “little” carnal.

We are commanded in many verses to “be” spiritual or “lead” by the Spirit. We are also warned not to “quench” or “grieve” the Holy Spirit. Only a Christian can really do either of these so the focus is that when a Christian sins, they loose that relationship with God by quenching or grieving the Spirit. Confession through 1 Jn. 1:9 is vital.

To break down this verse into the Greek the word “confess” is a legal term that means to- say, state or name. Kind of like in the garden when God asked Adam “where are you? What have you done?”

God already knew, He simply wanted Adam to “confess,” or admit to himself, what he had done. Similar to when Jacob wrestled the Angel and the angel said!” What is your name?” (His name means .....)

In the same way, our only power over our sins, after salvation, is honest, sincere confession To God, who then can forgive it and restore us to fellowship with Him.

So these post salvations sins have to do with fellowship, with God, through the Holy Spirit, and not salvation. They hinder our testimony, our blessings and our growth, and lead to loss in this life and loss of rewards in Heaven, so they are no small matter.

When put in this perspective, it’s makes sense to me, and hopefully others.

What do you think? Does this help or muddy the waters?

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Agreed. Nice post (in its entirety).

The point is, what I believe is possible or not possible does not change my relationship with the Lord.
So I rest in Him. The odd thing is some want to make the belief in what is or is not possible effects
our ultimate reality in Jesus, which is absurd. We stand in Christ because of faith, and we walk with
Him because of the cross. That is all we need, Amen.

This needed to be bumped. Thanks for posting this. A brother asked how can anyone argue with this? Indeed, how can one argue against these plain words?

This is a great example of reading part of a verse, trying to make it say something it does not.

Christ will say "I NEVER KNEW YOU, DEPART FROM ME.." Who is He talking to? This is only part of a sentence Penned. What Bible version do you use? Please don't be one of them that miss the last half of the sentence.

NIV
Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

New Living Translation
But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.’

English Standard Version
And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

Berean Study Bible
Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’

Berean Literal Bible
And then I will declare unto them, 'I never knew you; depart you from Me, those working lawlessness.'

New American Standard Bible
"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

LOL, thanks so much for the laugh, you are too funny.

James 2:10 New King James Version (NKJV)
10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.

The guys in Matthew 7 THOUGHT that their works and THEIR following the Law EVEN in Christ's name was going to get them to Heaven.

They did NOT rely on Christ's work, and Christ fulfilling the Law, and Christ's righteousness. THAT is why they were lawless!

It is critically important to understand that Jesus said He NEVER KNEW THEM! NOT that He knew them at one time, they then fell away, and He didn't know them then. HE NEVER KNEW THEM!

Answer why you quote half of Matthew 7:23? Dcon does this frequently, you sound just like him. ??? Are you Hyper-Grace? I thought this site was against that teaching.

What the H**L are you talking about!? Are you looking to just start trouble?

I just showed you what the passage was about. Must we recite the WHOLE Bible when making a point? Just ignorant.

We are starting vacation Bible school this week , please send me a prayer for strength and guidance, thank you

Ya you can’t lose salvation! God says you can never be plucked

Bear in mind that this context is the entrance into the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom (upon His "return" to the earth; "the kingdom OF THE heavenS" [not "UP IN Heaven"]).


But, aside from that, even...

I find the following verses to be applicable (per the text) to those we see referred to in this Matthew 7:21-23 passage:

"How long shall they utter and speak hard things? and all the workers of iniquity boast themselves?" Ps94:4


"Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread, and call not upon the Lord." Ps14:4 ;

"Have the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread: they have not called upon God." Ps53:4



What they say is "haven't WE... DONE many wonderful works" (not one word about Jesus and His finished work on the Cross [that they are relying upon], at all. They "come in His name" ['in Thy name' have done them] but He "NEVER KNEW THEM")

^ EDIT to add to that:

Romans 10:2-4 -

2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. [then see v.4 and 1Cor1:30-31, below]


1 Cor 1:30-31 -

30 But out of Him, you are in Christ Jesus, who has been made unto us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification and redemption, 31 in order that, as it has been written: “The one boasting, let him boast in the Lord."

We have been sealed by God at our time of acceptance, Jesus paid it all, we need to give our lives to him, I’m ready for that millennium, praise Jesus!

A person can't loose what that person doesn't have. Nobody is been saved YET ... Salvation will come at the moment of the judgement. A lot of people who have the name of Christ all the time on their mouth, will get something very different of what they thought they would (Mat 7:21-23)

Mat 24:13 (ESV) But the one who endures to the end will be saved.