Baptism, Born again, how are they connected?

Show one scripture where “Christ” said being born again baptized by water is not a must to see the kingdom heaven?

Christ said what we must do!
And Showed us by doing it!

Your choice will be your answer when He asks everyone individually did you do what I said and showed you what you must do to get into the kingdom.

Baptism in water is mandatory for Christians as Preston39 showed with Scriptures. That's why the christian baptism in water is not the same baptism John applied. In the new christian baptism in water there is something new: it is realized in the name of Jesus ... but it is a baptism in water too. All christians in the first century were baptized in water, even Jesus (with John's baptism) and as he said, he did it "for thus it becometh us to fullfill all righteousness".

I don't believe all baptism in/with water can be valid ... but there is (scripturally) a baptism in water to which every Christian should be "subjected" (this word is a Google translation; I don't feel is the correct one, but that's the idea).

you too need to understand that John's baptism was for repentance and not salvation

the repentance, admitting of sins and turning from them, was for forgiveness of said sins. John 3:6 says that people were confessing their sins. they wanted to come clean before God.

if it was for salvation, sins forgiven, then what sins did Jesus commit?

why did John ask Jesus why He wanted to be baptized? John said that Jesus should baptize him. Matthew 3:14

so again, John was not baptizing for salvation. absurd to say that he was, since man cannot forgive sin

what Jesus is saying regarding the fulfillment of all righteousness, is declaring Himself righteous (response to John)

Jesus had no need of repentance or forgiveness of sins. in Him, is the righteousness and forgiveness for all mankind

Isaiah 53:11 says that by the righteousness of the One, shall the righteousness of many be fulfilled or accounted for

that's a little hard to follow, so much easier to misapply the meaning and tag it onto other verses to make it say...FORCE IT....to say, something that it does NOT say

the 'Chopped up Handy Dandy Undiscerning Believer's Bulletin' aka 'The Awkard Bible', never really makes any sense, unless you choose to follow the teaching of equally awkward people who pull the covers over their head's at night and sleep like a baby that just simply does not know any better to begin with

anyone who places their deeds before the sacrifice of Jesus is not of God.

the Holy Spirit would never be behind such a thing

You may be a disciple of the one with the "noisy vocabulary" ... I just gave my opinion based on what I know from the Scriptures. My words have nothing to do with you or anybody else ... I don't focus on people here, and I won't generate or entertain conflicts about persons.

Luk 2:14 “Glory in the heights above to God, and upon earth peace among men of goodwill.”

Peace to you.

It is true: I am runnig from something, but it is not from you but from conflicts ... Expressions like "the Chopped up Handy Dandy Undiscerning Believer's Bulletin' aka 'The Awkard Bible" tell me that I must not stay on that kind of dialog to avoid the same vocabulary, it is a "weird" vocabulary from my christian point of view. Some people here think they must fight and destroy people ... I don't focus on people but on ideas, the same way it is said:

Eph 6:12 because we have a wrestling, not against blood and flesh, but against the governments, against the authorities, against the world rulers of this darkness, against the wicked spirit forces in the heavenly places.

Don't get offended because of this; I am just running away from certain word exchanges that do not combine with my personality or intentions.

well welcome to my offbeat sense of humor then

you know, we are allowed to laugh and have a little fun too. I certainly do not at all think you or anyone else has to fight and destroy people...but I will be pretty 'sharp' when it comes to some things

best to not take things personal...but I can get pretty peeved with your friend there, preston whom you quoted, (and others who do what he did) because he addressed me in a way that suggested I needed help etc etc. that is what we call a personal attack or an ad hominum attack, and it is nothing to do with the op

you don't get offended either. but here it is: I AM baptized in water, and in the Holy Spirit and I am well acquainted with Ephesians 6

thing is, Eli, your friend crossed the line and others who believe baptism saves also cross the line

so, you know, one thing to discuss and another to basically tell people they are not saved because they do not believe baptism saves anyone...or washes their sins away

I'll just keep saying this, I guess, but

ONLY THE BLOOD OF THE MESSIAH, JESUS, SHED ON THE CROSS FOR OUR SINS, WASHES AWAY OUR SINS WHEN WE ACCEPT HIM AS OUR SAVIOR

speaking in tongues does not save you...I do speak and pray in tongues....water baptism does not save you...I am water baptized

that's where I stand

well welcome to my offbeat sense of humor then

you know, we are allowed to laugh and have a little fun too. I certainly do not at all think you or anyone else has to fight and destroy people...but I will be pretty 'sharp' when it comes to some things

best to not take things personal...but I can get pretty peeved with your friend there, preston whom you quoted, (and others who do what he did) because he addressed me in a way that suggested I needed help etc etc. that is what we call a personal attack or an ad hominum attack, and it is nothing to do with the op

you don't get offended either. but here it is: I AM baptized in water, and in the Holy Spirit and I am well acquainted with Ephesians 6

thing is, Eli, your friend crossed the line and others who believe baptism saves also cross the line

so, you know, one thing to discuss and another to basically tell people they are not saved because they do not believe baptism saves anyone...or washes their sins away

I'll just keep saying this, I guess, but

ONLY THE BLOOD OF THE MESSIAH, JESUS, SHED ON THE CROSS FOR OUR SINS, WASHES AWAY OUR SINS WHEN WE ACCEPT HIM AS OUR SAVIOR

speaking in tongues does not save you...I do speak and pray in tongues....water baptism does not save you...I am water baptized

that's where I stand

Hi 7,

I wonder if some are confused with extrapolation.
John's baptism was a baptism for the forgiveness of sins. It equated forgiveness with a ceremony.
Now we all know guilt and wishing things we had not done, and seeking forgiveness and cleansing.

John seems to be preaching a ceremony that does this. It is unusual as no one else had ever done this
except maybe Naaman and his leprosy, told to wash in the Jordan by Elisha.

Jesus commands His disciples to baptise people in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit along with
obedience to everything He has commanded.

The cross is the atoning sacrifice for the forgiveness of sin, and baptism a symbol of rebirth in the Spirit.
So though baptism is the outward symbol of an inward change it is still important as a witness of Christ
in our lives. I suspect that these are all true, and we are simply called to fulfil them just as Jesus did
himself. And in this I rejoice that at the end we will see as the Lord sees, and know the balance, God bless
you.

Hi 7,

I wonder if some are confused with extrapolation.
John's baptism was a baptism for the forgiveness of sins. It equated forgiveness with a ceremony.
Now we all know guilt and wishing things we had not done, and seeking forgiveness and cleansing.

John seems to be preaching a ceremony that does this. It is unusual as no one else had ever done this
except maybe Naaman and his leprosy, told to wash in the Jordan by Elisha.

Jesus commands His disciples to baptise people in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit along with
obedience to everything He has commanded.

The cross is the atoning sacrifice for the forgiveness of sin, and baptism a symbol of rebirth in the Spirit.
So though baptism is the outward symbol of an inward change it is still important as a witness of Christ
in our lives. I suspect that these are all true, and we are simply called to fulfil them just as Jesus did
himself. And in this I rejoice that at the end we will see as the Lord sees, and know the balance, God bless
you.

...also You may be of the new age religion thinking that one need not repent...that Christ already did that for us....and about 10 other new age religion thinking's evolved since the 1960's.
Please show us teachings and/ or writings that .......baptism is not required....dated before the 1960's...?

We're waiting.

You and your lies will be brought out on day

I pray you repent before that day comes

As for your question

Read the Bible from genesis to revelation you will see baptism was never required

I don't understand your emotions when you are wrong. Just admit it and move on.

I am becoming convinced you cannot read basic English. If there is another language you would be better at let me know I will translate this for you;

"Mark 1:4 tells us that baptism is for the remission of sins....."John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins."

Acts 2; 38-40.... Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost....."save yourself".

Acts 22;16..... (Saul required to be baptized)...."And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord."

Matt.3;11...

I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit [] and fire.

Matt 3;14,15... But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fullfill all righteousness. Then he suffered him.


Matt., 28: 18-20... And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Mark 16;16... He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

I Peter 3;21....... The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

John 3:5.... Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Gal 3;26-27..... For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ

Acts 2: 38-40.... Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the [a]remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”
40 And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying, “Be saved from this [b]perverse generation

Acts 9; 14,15,16,18..... And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name.
15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
16 For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.
18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.
Acts 8:12...... But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
Acts 19:5-6..... When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Acts 22;16... And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Rom. 6;3,4...know ye not,that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 ....Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: like Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

There are more.
But, if you don't accept these of G-d's word no others will help you, probably.




Don't wait. Bring the basis for your accusation on out.
We are waiting.

I don't appreciate your accusations...pal.

I don't understand your emotions when you are wrong. Just admit it and move on.

I am becoming convinced you cannot read basic English. If there is another language you would be better at let me know I will translate this for you;

"Mark 1:4 tells us that baptism is for the remission of sins....."John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins."

Acts 2; 38-40.... Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost....."save yourself".

Acts 22;16..... (Saul required to be baptized)...."And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord."

Matt.3;11...

I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit [] and fire.

Matt 3;14,15... But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fullfill all righteousness. Then he suffered him.


Matt., 28: 18-20... And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Mark 16;16... He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

I Peter 3;21....... The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

John 3:5.... Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Gal 3;26-27..... For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ

Acts 2: 38-40.... Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the [a]remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”
40 And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying, “Be saved from this [b]perverse generation

Acts 9; 14,15,16,18..... And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name.
15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
16 For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.
18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.
Acts 8:12...... But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
Acts 19:5-6..... When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Acts 22;16... And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Rom. 6;3,4...know ye not,that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 ....Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: like Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

There are more.
But, if you don't accept these of G-d's word no others will help you, probably.




Don't wait. Bring the basis for your accusation on out.
We are waiting.

I don't appreciate your accusations...pal.

You and your lies will be brought out on day
I pray you repent before that day comes
As for your question
Read the Bible from genesis to revelation you will see baptism was never required