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I think the application has strong encouragement/command for every believer to "be ready"
Don't be asleep at the wheel. You are to conduct yourselves in a manner worthy of his name regardless of him returning in your lifetime or not. Would it change how we lived if we were convinced he were returning any day now? One year from now? The next decade?
I'm sure every generation since the resurrection has had some opinion on it, definitely the early church with all the persecution. Do I think it will be in my lifetime? Yes indeed. I don't have any idea the time frame of when during the tribulation. I always hovered on mid trib/pre wrath as that just struck me since I was young. So many dreams to that effect...
but they changed over time. I think it's something people should prepare for physically in some fashion but what that is to each person is unique. I know for a fact I don't want to be here when the holy spirit steps out of the way. It won't be nice.
There are so many factors to it that I think preparation is a hard thing to speak to. I trust the Lord to make us ready. There are plenty of people that don't do wilderness survival training or practice emergency preparedness because they believe they'll get taken away before anything bad happens. It sounds like a dream...but I'm certainly on board with that if it does occur, would be great.
Many many people were tried for their faith in ways that very few of us have been. Yes we've been through spiritual attacks and marginal attacks from other people, some more than others.
I'm of the opinion that you don't take your warriors away just before a battle. Doesn't make too much sense.
This topic leads to some rather dark areas and since most of us here don't know anything about how nasty human warfare is it's hard to conceptualize. Even harder is that maybe just maybe the enemy will do far worse than anything we've ever seen or heard of. It's enough get worked up over if you let it run away with you.
When I say most I mean it's not typically something that's consistently on one's mind. We hope to be long gone. I think that hope has been translated into a fantasy in a lot of people's minds presenting a false sense of security. What if we aren't? What if we shockingly have to endure what people in scripture did? Would our faith change?
Think of the early church and the persecution. They went through that...why is it we think the Lord will take us before that? Don't you think it will be FAR worse? Or maybe it'll be a blip on the radar and most people will miss it. Everything will occur in the spirtual realm and will hardly be felt.
I realize I'm going around and around. I haven't thought about this in this fashion in some time. It's been niggling at me for a while but I just disassociate from it because I don't know what the Lord wants me to do specifically and I suppose I appreciate the subject being broached at this moment in time. It hasn't hit me this hard in a while. Most of the time I just ignore it.
A lot of it's private but I still feel the need to share a little bit occasionally regarding revelation. Just that we don't yet know...there's enough division to let people come to certain conclusions of why they are there. If the spirit of the Lord flows through each of the people that believe each thing, what does that say?
@Last 2 posters...somehow I simultaneously hold both sentiments. Tis a mite confusing lol.
Don't be asleep at the wheel. You are to conduct yourselves in a manner worthy of his name regardless of him returning in your lifetime or not. Would it change how we lived if we were convinced he were returning any day now? One year from now? The next decade?
I'm sure every generation since the resurrection has had some opinion on it, definitely the early church with all the persecution. Do I think it will be in my lifetime? Yes indeed. I don't have any idea the time frame of when during the tribulation. I always hovered on mid trib/pre wrath as that just struck me since I was young. So many dreams to that effect...
but they changed over time. I think it's something people should prepare for physically in some fashion but what that is to each person is unique. I know for a fact I don't want to be here when the holy spirit steps out of the way. It won't be nice.
There are so many factors to it that I think preparation is a hard thing to speak to. I trust the Lord to make us ready. There are plenty of people that don't do wilderness survival training or practice emergency preparedness because they believe they'll get taken away before anything bad happens. It sounds like a dream...but I'm certainly on board with that if it does occur, would be great.
Many many people were tried for their faith in ways that very few of us have been. Yes we've been through spiritual attacks and marginal attacks from other people, some more than others.
I'm of the opinion that you don't take your warriors away just before a battle. Doesn't make too much sense.
This topic leads to some rather dark areas and since most of us here don't know anything about how nasty human warfare is it's hard to conceptualize. Even harder is that maybe just maybe the enemy will do far worse than anything we've ever seen or heard of. It's enough get worked up over if you let it run away with you.
When I say most I mean it's not typically something that's consistently on one's mind. We hope to be long gone. I think that hope has been translated into a fantasy in a lot of people's minds presenting a false sense of security. What if we aren't? What if we shockingly have to endure what people in scripture did? Would our faith change?
Think of the early church and the persecution. They went through that...why is it we think the Lord will take us before that? Don't you think it will be FAR worse? Or maybe it'll be a blip on the radar and most people will miss it. Everything will occur in the spirtual realm and will hardly be felt.
I realize I'm going around and around. I haven't thought about this in this fashion in some time. It's been niggling at me for a while but I just disassociate from it because I don't know what the Lord wants me to do specifically and I suppose I appreciate the subject being broached at this moment in time. It hasn't hit me this hard in a while. Most of the time I just ignore it.
A lot of it's private but I still feel the need to share a little bit occasionally regarding revelation. Just that we don't yet know...there's enough division to let people come to certain conclusions of why they are there. If the spirit of the Lord flows through each of the people that believe each thing, what does that say?
@Last 2 posters...somehow I simultaneously hold both sentiments. Tis a mite confusing lol.
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I would have liked clicking on "agree," for I am pretty much in agreement with your post, but I love the heart symbol. I consider it a message of familial love in Jesus, Yeshua.
I believe when I read in Daniel of "those with understanding will be few, and they will be scattered and they will help many," it is in reference to the G.Trib.
Also I believe when the saints under the alter ask our Father how long, when He responds not until the number has been reached of the brethren to be beheaded for His sake, is also in reference to the G. Trib.
When we learn and know of those first believers who went so far as to be sawn asunder for the sake of their faith in Jesus, Yeshua, I cannot fathom anyone teaching those who believe will not endure suffering for the ake of the Gospel. It is a haughty self-serving doctrine that omits imitating the walk of our very Savior.
As you have deftly indicated, come the fulfilling of the very last heartbeats of this age, so dark and painful, all who believe will see the light and understandd what is happening. Allwho believe and teach lies will not. I do not say this to any particular poster but the bottom message fro me o this subject is wait on the Lord, and do not tach conslucsions jumped to. Keep your detrminations to yourself and unless our blessed Father tell you todo so, do not pass onwhat you think may be, rther what the Holy Spsirit has confirmed. All love in Jesus, Yeshua. and blessings too.
I believe when I read in Daniel of "those with understanding will be few, and they will be scattered and they will help many," it is in reference to the G.Trib.
Also I believe when the saints under the alter ask our Father how long, when He responds not until the number has been reached of the brethren to be beheaded for His sake, is also in reference to the G. Trib.
When we learn and know of those first believers who went so far as to be sawn asunder for the sake of their faith in Jesus, Yeshua, I cannot fathom anyone teaching those who believe will not endure suffering for the ake of the Gospel. It is a haughty self-serving doctrine that omits imitating the walk of our very Savior.
As you have deftly indicated, come the fulfilling of the very last heartbeats of this age, so dark and painful, all who believe will see the light and understandd what is happening. Allwho believe and teach lies will not. I do not say this to any particular poster but the bottom message fro me o this subject is wait on the Lord, and do not tach conslucsions jumped to. Keep your detrminations to yourself and unless our blessed Father tell you todo so, do not pass onwhat you think may be, rther what the Holy Spsirit has confirmed. All love in Jesus, Yeshua. and blessings too.
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The statement "Jesus coming.." is not want you think it is, otherwise start by explaining this:
Matt 26:
63But Jesus remained silent.
Then the high priest said to Him, “I charge You under oath by the living God: Tell us if You are the Christ, the Son of God.”
64“You have said it yourself,” Jesus answered. “But I say to all of you, from now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”
Matt 26:
63But Jesus remained silent.
Then the high priest said to Him, “I charge You under oath by the living God: Tell us if You are the Christ, the Son of God.”
64“You have said it yourself,” Jesus answered. “But I say to all of you, from now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”
It is the Hour of temptation. How long is silence in heaven? Why was the time shortened?
Daniel in the Lions Den. Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego in the fiery furnace. You can be standing in the middle of anything and God will have you covered, if you just remind Him of his promises and keep the faith. But you aren't going to need that for Satans Tribulation. Put on the whole gospel armor. It is not when you hear of wars and rumors of wars. It is when you hear "PEACE AND SAFETY"
The whole world will be deceived. Satan wants to be worshipped as God. The world will THINK he is Christ, but he is the instead of Christ, the anti Christ. He will fix the deadly wound, the whole world will worship him, who is like him?
He wants to sit in the seat of GOD. He will place himself there, he will call himself God, THAT IS THE DECEPTION. all the ripping and tearing and "killing" is "of the souls" of God children as they are, in mass, led from the true Christ to the false Christ. (the apostasy and the daily oblation ceasing. Well, ceasing to go to the one True) You can't be worshipped as "God" by the whole world if you are ugly and mean and killing people.
Peacefully and prosperously. The opposite of what you expect.
Daniel in the Lions Den. Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego in the fiery furnace. You can be standing in the middle of anything and God will have you covered, if you just remind Him of his promises and keep the faith. But you aren't going to need that for Satans Tribulation. Put on the whole gospel armor. It is not when you hear of wars and rumors of wars. It is when you hear "PEACE AND SAFETY"
The whole world will be deceived. Satan wants to be worshipped as God. The world will THINK he is Christ, but he is the instead of Christ, the anti Christ. He will fix the deadly wound, the whole world will worship him, who is like him?
He wants to sit in the seat of GOD. He will place himself there, he will call himself God, THAT IS THE DECEPTION. all the ripping and tearing and "killing" is "of the souls" of God children as they are, in mass, led from the true Christ to the false Christ. (the apostasy and the daily oblation ceasing. Well, ceasing to go to the one True) You can't be worshipped as "God" by the whole world if you are ugly and mean and killing people.
Peacefully and prosperously. The opposite of what you expect.
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So who knows? No one still. 1 Thess 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you, For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord cometh as a thief in the night. Who is of the day? God. Who is of the night? Satan. If the "day" of the Lord comes as a thief in the "night" you know Satan is here. If our gathering to Him is at the last trump the Furtherest one out, that is at the end. If the Lords return is the Lords Day where Satan is bound 1000 ys, it has to be at the end of his tribulation. For the elect to be given up to death they have to be here and they must be the bride of Christ so the marriage can't take place until after.
Yeah I'm thinking the Lord wants to make dang sure we understand the time span isn't allegorical, but very precise:
The 7 year tribulation is a theory.. An interpretation.. Some people think it is gospel truth because they have been indoctrinated into that interpretation by their church or their favourite prophecy teacher..
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Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen
The fulfillment of Zachariah......notice that a mourning Takes place ask yourself why would the church (bride) mourn when the groom comes ? So who are these that are left on Earth?
The redemption of Israel takes place on Earth...our redemption took place at Calvary. God throughout the scriptures promises to redeem Israel and so it will be.
The fulfillment of Zachariah......notice that a mourning Takes place ask yourself why would the church (bride) mourn when the groom comes ? So who are these that are left on Earth?
The redemption of Israel takes place on Earth...our redemption took place at Calvary. God throughout the scriptures promises to redeem Israel and so it will be.
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Matthew 24:22 - And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Revelation 7:14 - And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Revelation 7:14 - And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
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I am a post triber and i do not believe that..
Psalms 91: KJV
1"He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty. {2} I will say of the LORD, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust. {3} Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence. {4} He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler. {5} Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day; {6} Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday. {7} A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee. {8} Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked. {9} Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation; {10} There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling. {11} For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways. {12} They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone."
Psalms 91: KJV
1"He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty. {2} I will say of the LORD, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust. {3} Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence. {4} He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler. {5} Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day; {6} Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday. {7} A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee. {8} Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked. {9} Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation; {10} There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling. {11} For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways. {12} They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone."
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All are blessed who wait on the Lord. Wait until all is accomplished. No man knows the day or the hour. The numbers supplied apply to various writings on the Great Tribulation. Nowhere is the return of our Savior mentioned in relation to those numbers howeer some mmay just have a bearing onn this thread. Wait for confirmation of the Holy Spirit, until then it is conjecture and speculation, not of the Hoy Spirit otherwise there would nto be such varied thoughts on it. Throughts and a nickelwill not get you a cup of coffee.
