Not By Works

Welcome Mr Increase, Jump on in, the waters fine.

Howdy Hemust, welcome aboard.

Most of us are OSAS Believers, but we have a sizable that amount of the opposite opinion too. Yes some of the discussion get heated but most of us can just agree to disagree.

Did you ever hear that the young man, in the garden when they came to arrest Jesus, who when they grabbed his top and he ran away naked was that rich man, who had gone and sold all he had to follow The Christ? I don't know if it was him, some say it was the young lad, Mark, but I like to think it was that man.

Cannot say I have heard that concerning the young man.

It was not the rich man, but one of the 11 disciples. An educated guess (just a guess, nothing more, not dogmatic) is that it was Simon the Zealot. One who claimed to be ready for a fight, probably had the other sword (just as the other Simon, Peter had his) and once he saw Peter's sword down and rebuked and Jesus being arrested, turned into the opposite of what he outwardly claimed to be, and turned coward and ran, even right out of his clothes. I have no direct scripture or evidence of this, just a hunch and I mostly keep it to myself unless someone asks, and then I share as I just did with caution. If someone disagrees, well I am ok with that too. I just would like to hear a better one.

The expression "The Eye of the Needle" was mention several times in the Talmud.

WIKEPEDIA QUOTE:

The term "eye of a needle" is used as a metaphor for a very narrow opening. It occurs several times throughout the Talmud. The New Testament quotes Jesus as saying that "it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God".
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The "Eye of the Needle" has been claimed to be a gate in Jerusalem, which opened after the main gate was closed at night.
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The "Eye of the Needle" has been claimed to be a gate in Jerusalem, which opened after the main gate was closed at night. A camel could only pass through this smaller gate if it was stooped and had its baggage removed. This story has been put forth since at least the 15th century, and possibly as far back as the 9th century. However, there is no widely accepted evidence for the existence of such a gate.

End Quote.

IF IT IS A REAL GATE.

This would be the most likely location:



This smaller gate that was open all night, after the gates to the City were CLOSED for the Night.
This larger GATE is now call the JUDGEMENT GATE, as this is the location they believe Christ exited the City carrying HIS Cross.

However I am comfortable saying Christ was referencing a literal sowing needle.

Brother, in one place you argue koine Greek, and in others you dogmatically refuse to budge on simple English words. That is a double standard I have noticed in your studies. The disciples misunderstood a lot, and literalized everything:

1.John 1:19-25 (John the Baptist as Elijah)
2.John 2:19-22 (Temple of His body)
3.John 3:1-21 (Nicodemus, Born Again)
4.John 4:7-15 (Woman a the Well, Water)
5.John 4:31-34 (Meat to Eat, Water to Drink)
6.John 5:6-7 (Will you be made whole, Pool)
7.John 6:50-52 (Eat my Flesh, Word)
8.John 7:38-39 (Water out of the belly, Spirit)
9.Matthew 16:5-12 (Leaven, Bread)

The context, is a specific type of entrance, not a sewing instrument. The words "enter" (Matthew 19:17, which you also refuse to do) are used over an over again. One enters the city through the "gates":

Rev_22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Psa_118:19 Open to me the gates of righteousness: I will go into them, and I will praise the LORD:

Psa 118:20 This gate of the LORD, into which the righteous shall enter.

That is a repetition of what Jesus stated.

Jesus is that needle "gate".

Joh_10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

Mat_7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

Mat_7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Luk_13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

Jesus was not speaking about the absurd. He was using every day objects as lessons, such as a large animal as a camel, entering in at a small gate into a city, fit for the width of a man (Jesus), rather then the broad entrance leading to destruction.

Thanks for this, I am really learning a lot today there is a lot of truth in this post.

I am of the opposing, see Matthew 18 to begin with. Understand the sanctuary in Leviticus 16, see https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/the-irreducible-complex-system-psa-77-13.186635/

Then consider an OT example, in King Saul.
Then consider an NT example, in Ananias and Sapphira.

The bolded proves that they understood it to be an actual camel and a NEEDLE......because they then said WHO can be saved....I will NOTE they would not have said this if it was a gate into the city and a camel...because a CAMEL could be unloaded and led through the GATE.....

NOW....to address you personally....we have danced today already....and YOU have proven yourself to not only be dishonest, but also one that devalues the work of Christ while rejecting the word of GOD....

Do not address me if you cannot be HONEST with the word of GOD.

Thanks for this, I am really learning a lot today there is a lot of truth in this post.

3049 logizomai
I reckon, count, charge with, reason, decide, conclude, think, suppose, to take into account, to make account of
In this verse here, does it state that this person is "made righteous"?
his faith is counted for righteousness Is "counted for" the same as "made"?

Romans 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous
"many be made" is "will be made" as in the future.

The original text states that faith is "counted for" not "made" and "many be made" is future. Is there somewhere else I could look to find "we are made righteous"?

Gotta love how people want to twist things.. and make the bible say somethign it never said

If God wanted the word “gate” to be used, he would have used it. We know he used it, because he said the egospel will be so powerful. The GATES (greek Pylai) OF HELL will not overpower it where as in this passage, Jesus said the eye of a needle (greek-rhaphidos)

Not sure your gonna learn much from lawyers..

Especially one that states JESUS did not have blood to take with him or Jesus did not enter the holiest in heaven......

The workers preach love, But they hate love.

Love fulfills the law. But they want to put you back un law

They demand you love as God loved, yet will tell you God is so weak in love

1. He can not sustain you
2. He will not keep you saved if you do not live up
3. His love (which he claims is unconditional) is actually conditional

When someone comes to you and claims love is conditional (gods love) then run from them, because they do nto understand love, and thus their truth is no truth at all.

In the case of "gty" I tend to run in the other direction....however, does he state what the eye of the needle is?

Oh I know........and then one that devalues JESUS, stated yesterday he had no blood to take with him to offer, did not enter the holiest place in heaven is allowed to peddle his drivel.....and people actually like it....speaks volumes to the honesty, integrity and ignorance of some.....

I once accidentally gave someone a “like” by inadvertently sliding my thumb over the like button. I hope that didn’t happen with regards to any post attempting to degrade the majesty of Jesus.