Not By Works

Freewill, whomsoever would, and those "woulds" must continue on in His way. I realize you do not agree with this knowledge. Must we argue? You are sure in your salvation, I am sure of mine. All good. The only problem is any doctrine that has the potential to leave some believing a lie. I am hoping some one would lay it all out together in one cohesive paper and end the "misconceptions and/or misunderstandings"

I put a smily face because in my heart I rejoice in the Lord.
I simply cannot relate to folk who are so lost in their own imaginings, I just rejoice in Jesus.

Because for them breaking words, making assertions, going back on them, slandering, not listening
or knowing scripture and the Spirit makes the exchanges non-existant, I just praise the Lord.

I used to empathise and try and comprehend, but there is no point.
If you take what is most precious to someone, trample on them, desecrate what they hold most dear
and then claim to follow the same Lord, clearly nothing is getting through let alone true feelings
or respect or time. It is funny the Jonestown massacre, I know the idiology and emphasis so well,
the idealism slipping into exploitation and abuse, and then its final end.

To know someone could take my love, and put me there, now that was staggering.
If you have lived in christian communities, know what the idealism is in the church, the power of
the cross and the Lord moving, it is almost blasphemy. I had a shred of hope, a sense of no one would
go there, no one would play games and use symbolism to draw parrallels and claim they know Jesus
and we do not.

But we have found such a group. There is a special place of judgement for such who do this, and use
this approach. It is the closest I know of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Jesus implied that for some
there is no way back. It seems once this place is reached it just gets worse.

Time will tell but the antagonism seems groundless yet the bile still flows, and without end or even
justification. So I can just praise the Lord, and sing to His sweet name. Amen.

They cannot logically address it...it is clear.....and YET they will sweep it under the table, explain it away or say that we do not understand it..........

Bear in mind free will is not absolute freedom.

Which lie?

Write for those who read, not for those who write. Spread the wisdom and knowledge to
'those', as that is when you come forth with those messages of Hope and Love from God in clear and concise ways. There may not be any 'thumbs us
or green checks or replies, but they are there. It is where you shine. I have read them, I have been inspired, I have seen God in your work. Time is short as you know. These are the works that will clothe you. These are the only things you will be taking with you. Just giving a point of view. God Bless you always

No way to know until we have the chance to talk to him, but I have no doubt that the moment the thief on the cross received God’s grace, he no longer felt any pain or sorrow. That’s the power of grace.

Hmm is "that crop" a Missouri expression?

The context tells me it was not the corn fields?

So then do you mean those (that crop) who deny Grace and saved by Grace through faith?

BLUE...what they are peddling is BS.......

Being born again IS being saved and BOTH are spoken of in SAME TENSE......just a different way of saying the SAME THING.....

EXCEPT a man be born again he cannot SEE the kingdom of HEAVEN

HAVING BEEN BORN AGAIN from above by incorruptible SEED <--PAST TENSE

In the GRACE you are, having been SAVED out of faith..........<----PAST TENSE

ONE and the same......being born again is descriptive of being saved

and no need to apologize my friend

Really?...pray tell me then what this means......"it is appointed unto man once to die and then the judgement"...? What judgement is the Bible referring too and what is the judgement for if we are saved while on this earth?
You are not being biblical.

I have challenged you before on this same issue and you go and hide. Face the issue and we can all learn.

Really?...pray tell me then what this means......"it is appointed unto man once to die and then the judgement"...? What judgement is the Bible referring too and what is the judgement for if we are saved while on this earth?
You are not being biblical.

I have challenged you before on this same issue and you go and hide. Face the issue and we can all learn.

Believers have ALREADY DIED and been raised to everlasting life, typified by the ritual of baptism. How can anyone fail to misunderstand this doctrine? It is everywhere in the NT. Anyone entering into "judgement" cannot possibly be a believer.

John 8:51

“Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he will never see death.”

Why? Because those who keep His word have been raised to life everlasting.

Rev 20:6

"Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years."

Believers have ALREADY DIED and been raised to everlasting life, typified by the ritual of baptism. How can anyone fail to misunderstand this doctrine? It is everywhere in the NT. Anyone entering into "judgement" cannot possibly be a believer.

John 8:51

“Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he will never see death.”

Why? Because those who keep His word have been raised to life everlasting.

Rev 20:6

"Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years."

I’m so far behind so sorry...but

David did not have the indwelling Holy Spirit. His anointing was upon not within.

I do agree with what you are saying about all the world is saved. The stone in the road is the rock called Christ though who has to be picked up. Received to benefit. Not received? No change of nature. Cannot dwell with Father without.

Choose life.

Baby Christians given enough knowledge for faith to see them through to baptism and believe they were fertile ground and hence forth forever saved, not knowing till they stand in front of God that they were rocky ground only.

John 5:24 speaks directly to it.

Amen.

“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life."

Why are you against once saved always saved......it is just another of saying saved eternally, eternal security, the security of the believer.....

To be honest is really bothers me that people who embrace eternal security have an issue with once saved always saved.

Choose life.

Baby Christians given enough knowledge for faith to see them through to baptism and believe they were fertile ground and hence forth forever saved, not knowing till they stand in front of God that they were rocky ground only.

In my opinion, Every True OSAS or ES Believer, WILL because of the CHANGE in his or her Human Spirit, from the Born Again experience; WILL Want to, and Strive to Obey the LORD, purely out of Godly LOVE, after they are SAVED.

Poeple who go to Church, and the rest of the week, are under the influence of Satan; have never been truly Born Again, and are NOT True OSAS Believers.

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Sitting on a PEW, does Not Make you a True Christian,
any more than sitting in a Garage would make you a true CAR.

Hence this VERSE is ABSOLUTELY TRUE.

1 John 2:19-20 (NKJV)
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.
20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things.