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1 Corinthians 3:5-16

Watering, Working, Warning
5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers through whom you believed, as the Lord gave to each one?
6 I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the increase.
7 So then neither he who plants is anything, nor he who waters, but God who gives the increase.
8 Now he who plants and he who waters are one, and each one will receive his own reward according to his own labor.
9 For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, you are God’s building.
10 According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it.
11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw,
13 each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is.
14 If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward.
15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.
16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
 
fredoheaven

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Pisteuo said:
Here is the understanding you asked for.

We are called by the Father to Christ. We then repent which is just turning from our way to the way of the caller. If we choose to, we then take our first step of pisteuo or Faith, faithing towards God.

What that first step is, is a genuine, personal, surrendering of our lives to Him," Christ ". Believing, that He will accept the surrendered life, we make decisions throughout our day, that show God we really have given our life and will to Him. That it's not ours anymore but His now!

This exact surrender, if we continue to choose to do so, is done in exactly the same way every day. Each day our surrendered life is being perfected by Him. it's not about a perfect surrendered life, but must be a genuine one. A half measure will avail nothing. Expecting something in return, which is kind of natural for us, will slowly fall away. We will begin to have a real personal relationship with Christ. He will secretly be perfecting our surrendered life to Him, and He will respond in secret to us.
Eventually, if the surrendered life is tested and accepted by God, He will seal in the Spirit of Christ making Christ, His word, and the promises in His word ours to compare to. His word becomes like a reflection of others who have surrendered their lives before us. We will see the reflection of our surrendered life in His world
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And so when one didn't come to surrender his life for even just a day then he is not saved. 'Daily surrender' denies the possibility of sinning, don't allow carnal 'Christians' or baby Christians...IOW, this is the same as saved, unsaved (when you fall to the sin of not surrendering, then saved and goes further on. The reality of this case, of false assurance.
 
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limmuwd said:
Truly, we must be willing slaves, as the Apostle Paul taught through His letters, and in particular Romans -

"I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service." - Rom 12

We must present our bodies as a sacrifice to God. "Denying ourselves" as Jesus said. We are always a "slave", either to sin or to righteousness; there is no in between.

"For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. 21 What fruit did you have then in the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death. 22 But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life." - Rom 6:20-22

And notice what the Apostle tells us... the result of us surrendering ourselves as willing "slaves to God", and if we "endure til the end" as Jesus said, is "eternal Life."

Amen to the unchanging Word of God.
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Being "made free" = everlasting/eternal life
Becoming "servant of God" = fruit unto righteousness/holiness.


"Amen to the unchanging word' but it seems 'slaves to God' is a change word from the 'servant of God'. A slave is a person legally owned by another and having no freedom of action or right to property but a 'Christian' is already free, a 'servant' doing his Master's command. We are no longer 'slave' we've been made free. Because if one still is a slave he needs to 'daily surrender' but my Bible says we are made free we need a daily commitment/dedication/ renewal of mind to do God's will.

Romans 6:22-23 King James Version (KJV)
22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 12 King James Version (KJV)
1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
 
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Melach said:
i could see that coming. idolatry is worship and veneration or belief in false gods......... but... obviously all the bowing to statues and praying to saints and mary is not idolatry.. how convenient. it is actually idolatry and bible specifically forbids bowing down to statues. reason why roman catholics chopped the commandment in half in their catechism
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Yap, and I could attest you with brother that since I came from a background of RCC, we worship and bow down on our knees praying to the 'unknown God' but praise God that by his grace, I have received the gospel of Christ...
 
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UnderGrace said:
Wrong

There is no concept of sin within the word "metanoia"
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Hmmm.... Actually there is. Our modern English has dumbed down much of the Hebrew and Greek, and even the original definitions from Webster when he first wrote the Dictionary in 1828.

Have you studied the Greek as I have, and with older friends who were actually born in Greece and know the language inside and out?

Just a 5-minute snippet from a 4-part series I did on "metanoia", and it's Biblical meaning - Defining Repentance

It truly helps to know and understand the fullness of the ancient languages in which the Scripture was written.

Peace & Blessings as you press in.
 
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limmuwd said:
Hmmm.... Actually there is. Our modern English has dumbed down much of the Hebrew and Greek, and even the original definitions from Webster when he first wrote the Dictionary in 1828.

Have you studied the Greek as I have, and with older friends who were actually born in Greece and know the language inside and out?

Just a 5-minute snippet from a 4-part series I did on "metanoia", and it's Biblical meaning - Defining Repentance

It truly helps to know and understand the fullness of the ancient languages in which the Scripture was written.

Peace & Blessings as you press in.
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I believe your older friends in Greece doesn't speak the Koine Greek but rather a Modern Greek. Big difference...
 
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limmuwd said:
Repentance is "turning away from sin."
You answered your own question with your ungodly attitude and speech.
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Well since I’m the only one why didn’t you just call me out by name rather than using plural pronouns?
 
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Noose said:
Does that cancel this:

Rom 2:7To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.

And, believing is not about thoughts anyway but action. The one who loves/obeys has believed and not the other way round.
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Nice try, but false as usual......another word, words or phrase(s)that accurately describes your gospel would be.....falseology, fakeums, not happenin.......hah Man....in all honesty, your gospel puts salvation squarely on your back, allows you to boast, states clearly that Jesus is not enough, denies the three verb tenses of salvation, justification and sanctification, denies the definitions of eternal, everlasting, is having, has, are, amd numerous other truths, context(s), words, phrases etc.... a wallking, talking biblical contradiction man.....serious....
 
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fredoheaven said:
And so when one didn't come to surrender his life for even just a day then he is not saved. 'Daily surrender' denies the possibility of sinning, don't allow carnal 'Christians' or baby Christians...IOW, this is the same as saved, unsaved (when you fall to the sin of not surrendering, then saved and goes further on. The reality of this case, of false assurance.
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Not really following your line of thinking Fred. Could you try again?
 
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fredoheaven said:
I believe your older friends in Greece doesn't speak the Koine Greek but rather a Modern Greek. Big difference...
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That's pretty funny. I believe, actually I KNOW, it is the other way around.
Many here in this thread appear to have been taught only the modern definition.

Just a 5-minute snippet from a 4-part series I did on "metanoia", and it's Biblical meaning - Defining Repentance

It truly helps to know and understand the fullness of the ancient languages in which the Scripture was written.

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The "A,B,C's of Faith" - Faith is Action, based on Belief, sustained by Confidence.
 
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limmuwd said:
That's pretty funny. I believe, actually I KNOW, it is the other way around.
Many here in this thread appear to have been taught only the modern definition.

Just a 5-minute snippet from a 4-part series I did on "metanoia", and it's Biblical meaning - Defining Repentance

It truly helps to know and understand the fullness of the ancient languages in which the Scripture was written.

:)
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Your video provides no evidence for your claim ...btw
 
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dcontroversal said:
Amen.....it simply means change one's mind and agree with God!
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Yes indeed, however, that does not work for them and their "work for salvation" theology.
So they lie and argue the modern day understanding is wrong.
Sad eh, of course it takes lies to support their doctrine.
 
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