WHEN IS THE RAPTURE IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE GT?

Mat 25;6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.

10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.


BRIDE/GROOM/MARRIAGE

Rev 19
7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

BRIDE/GROOM/MARRIAGE

Rev 22
17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
BRIDE/GROOM /MARRIAGE

Ruth 4
Boaz Redeems Ruth
Then Boaz said, “On the day you buy the field from the hand of Naomi, you must also buy it from Ruth the Moabitess, the wife of the dead, to [d]perpetuate the name of the dead through his inheritance.”

6 And the close relative said, “I cannot redeem it for myself, lest I ruin my own inheritance. You redeem my right of redemption for yourself, for I cannot redeem it.”

7 Now this was the custom in former times in Israel concerning redeeming and exchanging, to confirm anything: one man took off his sandal and gave it to the other, and this was a confirmation in Israel.

8 Therefore the close relative said to Boaz, “Buy it for yourself.” So he took off his sandal. 9 And Boaz said to the elders and all the people, “You are witnesses this day that I have bought all that was Elimelech’s, and all that was Chilion’s and Mahlon’s, from the hand of Naomi. 10 Moreover, Ruth the Moabitess, the widow of Mahlon, I have acquired as my wife,


BRIDE/GROOM/MARRIAGE
(BOAZ (JESUS) TAKES A GENTILE BRIDE THROUGH REDEMPTION

THE ENTIRE POINT AND CORE OF THE RAPTURE IS THE GATHERING OF THE BRIDE.
GENTILE (RUTH) BRIDE

Yes, and when does all this take place?


Revelation 19:1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:

Revelation 19:2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.

Revelation 19:3 And again they said, Alleluia And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.

Revelation 19:4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.

Revelation 19:5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.

Revelation 19:6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

Revelation 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

So what happens BEFORE the marriage of the Lamb is come??? for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.

That great whore DOESN'T become a great whore until she beds down with Satan (the reason she is called a great whore) so SHE HAS BEEN JUDGED AND THE BLOOD OF HIS SERVANTS (NOT PART OF THEM) HATH AVENGED.
So clearly it has to be when Jesus returns to Judge, not PRE TRIB, NOT MID TRIB BUT POST TRIB


Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Revelation 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

and may enter in through the gates into the city. let him take the water of life freely. Where do we find the gates into the city? and the river of pure water? The Millennium, Post Trib


One way. You and I are sitting here typing and I am telling you to put on the gospel armor cause Satan is coming to deceive the whole world and that will be a dark day indeed (Satan-night, moons, darkness) You don't believe me and one day you look around and there has arrived upon earth a supernatural being performing wonderous miracles in the sight of everyone, with the best lie you ever heard of why there will be no rapture and it will be very believable. And life feels like heaven on earth because you know Satan comes in peacefully and prosperously for the entire world to worship him as God. He will even sit in the temple claiming to be. ( Of course there are those two pesky witnesses that keep telling everyone they know "that is not Messiah returned" and you should know it isn't because when Jesus return, we will all be changed into spiritual bodies) anyway one day the two witnesses are killed and the world is rejoicing and 3 1/2 days later, with a cloud of angels here comes Jesus and the witnesses rise, and Satan is

2Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

2Thessalonians 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

2Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

2Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

2Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:


Perish as in flesh physically dead, in incorruptible (don't decay) bodies, SPIRITUALLY DEAD (mortal) until Satan is loosed at the end for a short time to deceive (test) once again and then it is life eternal or lake of fire.


ANOTHER WAY (as I understand "ripsure") You and I are sitting here talking and Poof you are gone to be with the Lord forever along with the rest of the "chruch/body of Christ" up to heaven and then return when all the trouble has passed and then you reign with Christ for the Millennium Because ???? God needs more souls in heaven?? The church is super holy these days??? This group of people don't need to be tested??? This group loves Jesus more than anyone else ever has?? Because God doesn't want them to stand for Him??? I just don't know. I know it isn't a marrige to tke place before the Lords Day. Does He return 2 times the exact same way??

Yes not a literal mark but the mark of God word.It will come to pass. He was watching to make sure it was fulfilled a suffering Cain could not bear. One that Jesus alone could and did bear in our stead.

Enoch like Abel were moved by the faith of Christ that worked in them to both will and do his good pleasure. And he builded a city ,to represent the wife of Christ the church.

In Acts as promised he renamed her Christian. A word that literal means "residents of the eternal city prepared as the bride".

No different than those in Hebrew 6. Having tasted of the word, experienced it effects . . falling away . . . . killed the misperceived competition (Abel) in order to reveal the atheistic religion . Out of sight out of mind.

Revelation 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

You do not have a "when". Only it has happened.

Keep reading and find out the bridevhas become the WIFE IN HEAVEN.
YOUR ENTIRE DEAL JUST FELL APART.
THE SCENE IS IN HEAVEN. THE BRIDE BECOMES THE WIFE IN HEAVEN.

THE BRIDE / GROOM DIMENSION MAKES YOUR DEAL FAIL BIG TIME.
THAT IS WHY POSTRIBS SHY AWAY OR IGNORE OUR VERSES.

ONCE YOU TAKE THEM ONE BY ONE(INSTEAD OF YOUR SHOTGUN 15 CINCEPTS IN ONE) YOU GUYS CAN NOT GO TOE TO TO.

PRETRIB RULES THE DEBATE.

Who is the wife? Who is the Bride? Do you have the when?

WHEN
So what happens BEFORE the marriage of the Lamb is come??? for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.

That great whore DOESN'T become a great whore until she beds down with Satan (the reason she is called a great whore) so SHE HAS BEEN JUDGED AND THE BLOOD OF HIS SERVANTS (NOT PART OF THEM) HATH AVENGED.
So clearly it has to be when Jesus returns to Judge, not PRE TRIB, NOT MID TRIB BUT POST TRIB

Revelation 19:2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.
Revelation 19:3 And again they said, Alleluia And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.
Revelation 19:4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.
Revelation 19:5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.
Revelation 19:6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.
Revelation 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

Prepare hetoimazo to prepare 2090

We should rejoice and should exult and will give the glory to Him because has come the marriage of the Lamb and the bride of Him has made ready (prepare) herself

Lexicon…..marriage of the Lamb has come and His bride has made (prepare) herself ready (prepare)

Jeremiah 23:16 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD.

Jeremiah 23:17 They say still unto them that despise me, The LORD hath said, Ye shall have peace; and they say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you.

Jeremiah 23:18 For who hath stood in the counsel of the LORD, and hath perceived and heard his word? who hath marked his word, and heard it?

Meanwhile,on earth,the tib is ending as Jesus and his bride/wife are coming back to earth to establish a new society.

Oh...wow.... Kinda like what Jesus predicted with Noah returning AFTER the flood.

Postrib adherant ;"you mean noah was not taken away,raptured after the FLOOD??"

If the bride has become the wife,in heaven,that would tell you when.
It tells you the rapture is pretrib and ,as Jesus declared at the last supper,there is business in heaven.

You know,you need to ask yourself why there is some blockage to test fit the pretrib verses.
You go on default mode,leave out EVERYTHING concerning the core of the rapture(bride/groom) and post conflicting ideas.

Please read rev 14.
Just humor me.
Then notice 2 griups taken to heaven,DURING THE TRIBULATION.

IF that is somehow tabu to you,then you are hopelessly mired in that post trib mess

You have not followed me on a single issue.
You go default on every issue.
No thinking for yourself.

I can present your doctrine as well as you can. Very open minded. Very exegetical.(notice i said YOUR POST TRIB DOCTRINE)
I KNOW every in and out of that doctrine. I study it and listen to hours of that doctrine.
That is our difference. You CAN NOT say the same.

Then compare conflicting verses.

Sytematic theology.

That is proper study.

Put it ALL ON THE TABLE.

You refuse to do that

You only come in here for " the last objection"

You are Not sytematically unpacking anything,because you reject conflicting verses.
You just reject them.

You dont even realize that if the dead rise first,and Jesus gathers/raptures a group DURING THE TRIB, then either paul is mistaken,or the Holy Spirit was confused and the dead do NOT preceed the living.

IOW THE gathering/rapture of rev 14 put you into a mix of refuting the bible.
Your post trib rapture position POSIVIVELY must refute those verses.(change the bible)

You have the living preceeding the dead in Christ.
Just read 1 thes 4 and rev 14.

Your entire premise is debunked

I leave out everything "core" to pretrib rapsure because there is no pre trib rapsure. It is a man made doctrine. We are told time and again that day WiLL NoT coME …..

Insert your pre trib rapsure where it belongs here



Matthew 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

Matthew 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

Matthew 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

Matthew 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

Matthew 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Matthew 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

Matthew 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

Matthew 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

Matthew 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Matthew 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Matthew 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.

Matthew 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

Matthew 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Matthew 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Matthew 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

Matthew 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

When is it in relation to this?


Mark 13:4 Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?

Mark 13:5 And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you:

Mark 13:6 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Mark 13:7 And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for such things must needs be; but the end shall not be yet.

Mark 13:8 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.

Mark 13:9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.

Mark 13:10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.

Mark 13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

Mark 13:12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.

Mark 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Mark 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

Mark 13:15 And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house:

Mark 13:16 And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment.

Mark 13:17 But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

Mark 13:18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter.

Mark 13:19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.

Mark 13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

Mark 13:21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:

Mark 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

Mark 13:23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.

Mark 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,

Mark 13:25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.

Mark 13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

Mark 13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

Mark 13:28 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:

Mark 13:29 So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors.

Mark 13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.

Mark 13:31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Mark 13:33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.

Luke 21:7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?

Luke 21:8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.

Luke 21:9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.

Luke 21:10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

Luke 21:11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.

Luke 21:12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

Luke 21:13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony.

Luke 21:14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:

Luke 21:15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

Luke 21:16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.

Luke 21:17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.

Luke 21:18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish.

Luke 21:19 In your patience possess ye your souls.

Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

Luke 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

Luke 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.