Bigamy and polygamy in OT

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Locoponydirtman

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David and all the other human beings in the Bible where just that... Human beings.. In the incident between David and Bathesheba David sinned.. Sometimes some people ( and i am not saying you Lanolin ) assume that God approved of all the actions of people like David and Solomon and other notable people in the Bible.. But this was not so.. Just because people in the Bible did certain things does not mean that God was approving their actions..

As for Solomon and His many wives.. It was the custom in those days for Kings to establish alliances by marrying one of their princesses off to the King they wanted to form an alliance with.. King Solomon was a very wise and rich and thus powerful ruler and therefore all the Kings around sought to form alliances with him and thus part of their deals was to get one of their daughters married to Solomon..

Solomon married a lot of foreign woman and in the end they ( the woman ) caused a lot of trouble in Israel because they would set up shrines to their own gods within Jerusalem and on top of the mountains in Israel.. So even Solomon being the wisest man in the world at that time still make great errors that seemed like a smart idea at the time ( taking wives from other nations) but in the long run brought destruction upon his kingdom.
God allowed the natural consequences of their actions to cause them great distress, so to say God co-signed this stuff is an error.
 

Dino246

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Well I'm a women and god has worked on me about polygamy and you can find it all through the old testament and what's wrong with this world today is Christian only preach what the people want to hear.
Poly is big in nz mil partners I believe in god plural wives is much better we see more women to men all ready what's wrong with a good man wanting to take care of other widower ect women in need and need help maybe you should think about that before you mock God's word.
Welcome to CC...
Your profile says that your spiritual status is "unsure". There's a straightforward way to be "sure": believe in the One Who came and paid the penalty for your sin by His death, and Who rose again to life everlasting: Jesus Christ.

God's design for marriage is one man and one woman, exclusively. There is no other combination that God has sanctioned in Scripture.
 

Butterflyyy

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Well I'm a women and god has worked on me about polygamy and you can find it all through the old testament and what's wrong with this world today is Christian only preach what the people want to hear.
Poly is big in nz mil partners I believe in god plural wives is much better we see more women to men all ready what's wrong with a good man wanting to take care of other widower ect women in need and need help maybe you should think about that before you mock God's word.
What do you think of a woman having lots of husbands?😁
 
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1 Corinthians 6:12 I have the right to do anything,” you say—but not everything is beneficial. “I have the right to do anything”—but I will not be mastered by anything. 13 You say, “Food for the stomach and the stomach for food, and God will destroy them both.” The body, however, is not meant for sexual immorality but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. 14 By his power God raised the Lord from the dead, and he will raise us also. 15 Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! 16 Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, “The two will become one flesh.” 17 But whoever is united with the Lord is one with him in spirit.

There ya go! Truth: Two becoming one flesh. That’s what God intended. One husband and one wife becoming one.

Is it lawful to have more than one husband or wife? That’s not the question we should be asking ourselves. We should be asking ourselves: Am I more concerned with what I desire for myself or for pleasing God and glorifying Him?

My will or God's will?

Which one has mastery over you? :unsure:
Well my thoughts on that were two to start with and did there sons not take there draughts to be his brides?
I don't go what man wrote but of old that god wrote and u forget jesus had 7 brides.
 

ArtsieSteph

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I wonder when the practice of multiple wives stopped? Or when God stopped looking on it favoritably if He ever did. I mean Adam had one wife
 
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Locoponydirtman

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I wonder when the practice of multiple wives stopped? Or when God stopped looking on it favoritably if He ever did. I mean Adam had one wife
I don't think he ever looked on it favorably. It stopped as Christianity became a culture in the west.
 

ArtsieSteph

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I don't think he ever looked on it favorably. It stopped as Christianity became a culture in the west.
Yeah I’m guessing He was like “This is something you guys do and I’m going to have My will happen in and outside of your traditions.”
 

Mii

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Interestingly (as sometimes happens here) I was thinking about this yesterday and somehow it came up as a talking point for me in order to understand how the Lord may "frown on" certain things but not specifically forbid it.

Then I get on site to see topic lol.



The law of sowing and reaping applies no matter what the Lord directly curtails or not. I am leaning toward the opinion that sometimes he lets us learn "the hard way". Sometimes we disagree with the Lord in areas and scripture is vague...and we aren't convinced/convicted by his leading, so...what happens? Find out. Suffer the consequences. Miss a blessing.

Then of course, willful rebellion puts things into a different category and particularly shameful acts "2nd Samuel 12:14" has potentially grave application and it would behoove any believer to meditate on precisely what that verse means, and if it applies in our present reality. It has certainly felt like it all my life, and it all sort of made sense when I read that a month or so ago.

I may blog about this verse because I appreciate the depth and would like some feedback if I go too far on a limb regarding stewardship as a credit to the Lord and what bringing him glory and praise means to me at present and would like to bounce it off a few minds :)
 

Adstar

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God allowed the natural consequences of their actions to cause them great distress, so to say God co-signed this stuff is an error.
God never approves of evil.. But He is long-suffering towards us who are guilty of doing evil not willing that we should perish.. God allows evil to happen because in the long run the option of selecting evil was needed for His creation to have the option of embracing Good..
 

PennEd

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Some bible questions...and I will look up scriptures too, cos I would like to know..

Was David married to Abigail at the time he was going after Bathsheba? If so, why was he going after Bathesheba if he already had a wife? What happened to Michal? And was Abishag also his wife, or just a mistress or concubine?

Did moses laws ever set a limit on how many wives a husband could have? Did things completely change when Jesus came or were there still people marrying more than one wife? Is bigamy the same as polygamy, how about serial marriages. What about women could they have more than one husband?

There are many husbands with two or more wives in the OT, and it does say that one ends up loving one and hating the other.

Eg Lamech..Adah and Zillah. Not sure what happened there but he seemed to have killed someone. genesis 4
JAcob (israel) Rachel and Leah, plus their maids bore children..would they be concubines then. The sisters hated each other and competed for Jacobs affections
Abraham with sarah and maid Hagar, after sarah died he married Ketubah and had MORE children. hagar got uppity and ended up hating sarah who treated her harshly after she gave birth
Elkanah had Penninah and Hannah, Penninah mocked hannah for being unable to bear children till she had samuel

Why did these men bother to have two wives when those wives werent getting along?! What is the rationale for having more than one wife?

Then solomon had like 700 wives and 300 concubines I mean how is that even possible?? Did he have one each week or what. If he had 700 wives, then what a sham the song of solomon was. The bride in it is just one of many or is it just ok for a husband to have many wives but for a woman she can have only one husband.

Can anyone explain.
Solomon also wrote THIS Book. He was probably tryin to see if there were even ONE good woman out of the 1000 he had: No Luck!

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Ecclesiastes 7:28-29 New King James Version (NKJV)
28 Which my soul still seeks but I cannot find:
One man among a thousand I have found,
But a woman among all these I have not found.
29 Truly, this only I have found:
That God made man upright,
But they have sought out many schemes.”
 
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Locoponydirtman

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God never approves of evil.. But He is long-suffering towards us who are guilty of doing evil not willing that we should perish.. God allows evil to happen because in the long run the option of selecting evil was needed for His creation to have the option of embracing Good..
Option? How is it an option?
You either believe because the evidence is compelling or you don't believe. I have never in my life heard of believing something is an option.
As children many believe in santa clause because they trust the word of their parents later they find that their parents lied and no longer believe it never was an option.
You tell me what other thing that we believe on this Earth do we choose to believe rather than are compelled to believe based upon a body of evidence.
 

Adstar

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Option? How is it an option?
You either believe because the evidence is compelling or you don't believe. I have never in my life heard of believing something is an option.
As children many believe in santa clause because they trust the word of their parents later they find that their parents lied and no longer believe it never was an option.
You tell me what other thing that we believe on this Earth do we choose to believe rather than are compelled to believe based upon a body of evidence.
One can ever choose to believe Gods will is Good and thus agree with what is Good,, that it is indeed Good.. Or one can disbelieve the will of God and join satan in rebellion and embrace evil as being good.. That's a choice and each person needs to make a choice of whom they will believe and what they will embrace as the right Way..

So you and I made a choice to either believe the Holy Bible or not to believe it.
Eve made a choice to believe satan and disbelieve God..
Salvation or condemnation is bound up in what we choose to acknowledge as being truth..

There are times like the example you gave as a child when we believed because we assumed that our parents could not lie to us.. But like the issue of santa we eventually come to the point where we must make our own personal choice as to what we will continue to acknowledge as true and what we shall reject / renounce as lies..

Deuteronomy 30: KJV
19 "I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:"

Joshua 24: KJV
14 "¶ Now therefore fear the LORD, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve ye the LORD. {15} And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD."

Proverbs 1: KJV
24 "¶ Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded; {25} But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof: {26} I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh; {27} When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you. {28} Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me: {29} For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD: {30} They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof."
 

Butterflyyy

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Solomon also wrote THIS Book. He was probably tryin to see if there were even ONE good woman out of the 1000 he had: No Luck!

***DUCKS FOR COVER!***

Ecclesiastes 7:28-29 New King James Version (NKJV)
28 Which my soul still seeks but I cannot find:
One man among a thousand I have found,
But a woman among all these I have not found.
29 Truly, this only I have found:
That God made man upright,
But they have sought out many schemes.”
Sorry I had to dislike PenEd but this is a good subject for a deep Bible study👌
God must have thought Mary was okay... and I know for a fact that He loves me🙂
 

PennEd

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Sorry I had to dislike PenEd but this is a good subject for a deep Bible study👌
God must have thought Mary was okay... and I know for a fact that He loves me🙂
Yes! Solomon is NOT the guy we want to emulate. I just like to stir things up a bit.

I believe Solomon is the quintessential MAN centered goal of every human BEFORE Salvation.

THE richest person ever, unbelievable achievements, smart, wise, insane amount of sexual partners, untold progeny.

He epitomizes what every EARTHLY, man-centered person would say that they want out of life.

But in the end, this most greatest achieving man ever, realized it all amounted to a great big pile of nothingness!
 
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EleventhHour

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Solomon also wrote THIS Book. He was probably tryin to see if there were even ONE good woman out of the 1000 he had: No Luck!

***DUCKS FOR COVER!***

Ecclesiastes 7:28-29 New King James Version (NKJV)
28 Which my soul still seeks but I cannot find:
One man among a thousand I have found,
But a woman among all these I have not found.
29 Truly, this only I have found:
That God made man upright,
But they have sought out many schemes.”
Yup, that was a problem alright!!
 

Butterflyyy

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Solomon also wrote THIS Book. He was probably tryin to see if there were even ONE good woman out of the 1000 he had: No Luck!

***DUCKS FOR COVER!***

Ecclesiastes 7:28-29 New King James Version (NKJV)
28 Which my soul still seeks but I cannot find:
One man among a thousand I have found,
But a woman among all these I have not found.
29 Truly, this only I have found:
That God made man upright,
But they have sought out many schemes.”
Maybe all those women he married had completely given up trying to find a good man...no wonder it's so hard to if the author could only find one in a thousand, lol I reckon it's far less than that these days too😂
 

Butterflyyy

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Was Adam supposed to sleep with his daughters?
I'm sure siblings (Adam & Eve's kids) who were born quite far apart would have pro-created because the gene pool was so pure in the beginning.