Awake to Righteousness and Don't Sin

Who are these "being saved" in Red above. Why would he write being saved if it was already accomplished?

Conscience definition: https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/conscience
The Knowledge of Good and Evil by its very nature is the moral conscience. The bible says their eyes were open and they knew they were naked (Guilt). Next we see them hiding from God, trying to cover their nakedness with Fig Leaves. These are all actions that are directly related to the actions they took in the garden after eating the fruit.

What does a guilty man do today? They try hide their guilt. It bothers them and plagues them. They have sleepness nights worrying about what they have done.

Ok sleepy head keep believing your distorted doctrine of conscience

That is Paul writing Hebrews, and when he wrote he wrote to the Church. The church is made up of Jew and Gentile. He is writing NOT ANOTHER GOSPEL, but rather THE GOSPEL from Italy to those back in Jerusalem.

Here is Pauls concluding remarks in the Chapter (Timothy is mentioned, and we know Paul died in Italy)

Hebrews 13
23 Know that our brother Timothy has been set free, with whom I shall see you if he comes shortly.
24 Greet all those who [h]rule over you, and all the saints. Those from Italy greet you.
25 Grace be with you all. Amen.

We agree. And they are 3 tenses FOR A REASON.

There are three tenses to salvation that must not get mixed up.

1. We have been saved from the PENALTY of sin (justification)

2. We are being saved from the POWER of sin (ongoing sanctification)

3. We will be saved from the PRESENCE of sin (glorification)

Once again. We agree on this

This says it all. They decided to determine good and evil for themselves. It is the same sin Satan and his cohorts (the third fallen) were guilty of. This is still going on, today. We all need to look to God for our morality.

I meant during the OT times. Of course the law was given to the Jews.

Let me put it in a modern context, so you can see what I am saying (about that ^ ):

You and your Christian buddy are eating at Denny's.

You [two] happen to notice a large gathering of people meeting there to eat, across the way from where you sit.

You decide, after finishing eating your meal, to go over to that set of tables and witness to those people who have met there at Denny's for their office party [LOL!]

After you tell them of Christ and His finished work alone for salvation [ ],

"those who are BEING SAVED" are those [say, 25% of them] who have been persuaded to believe your message about Christ (they trust in Him for their salvation/they come to faith in Christ for their salvation);

"those who are perishing" are the other portion of them [the 75% of them] who were NOT persuaded to believe your message about Christ (they do NOT trust in Him for their salvation).


It's the same way (for this phrase "those BEING SAVED") used in Acts 2:47 (but there, with the "accusative" rather than the "dative" which is the only difference in this "G4982" word we are discussing--so in Acts 2:47 it is "those who [3588] were BEING SAVED [4982; V-PPM/P-AMP]" whereas in 2 Corinthians 2:15 it is "[in] those who [3588] are BEING SAVED [4982; V-PPM/P-DMP]"--but the overall sense is the same, it refers to the ones who have trusted Christ/placed their faith in Him/have come to Christ for salvation, however you wanna say it... but not referring to the other set of ppl who DIDN'T/HAVEN'T/AREN'T [saved/come to faith]... )

For those who have indeed trusted Christ for salvation, they are permanently saved.

^ EDIT to add: The phrase does not refer to an interim period, for the saved (or what we commonly call "progressive sanctification," in those who have trusted Christ--these two contexts do not refer to that, as I see it).

The problem seems to boil down to a question of whether you can accept the Lord within you, able to renew your mind so righteousness is your goal without only being motivated by working for salvation. The flesh is never motivated by love, and God is love. Without the ability to accept love is simply another way of saying you cannot accept love.

Those who preach against works are simply those who are not saved by the Lord, those who cannot accept having a goal of life without sin. That is another way of saying they are people without Christ within.

That is a gross misrepresentation of the truth of the gospel. Those who preach against works are those who believe that our salvation is a finished work of Christ, that our part is to believe, and that the "works" to which Christians are called are the fruit and confirmation of salvation, not the means to attain it.

You are trying to work for demon s, preaching against accepting Christ within, for with Christ within a human accepts love. You cannot live with a goal of sin and have love or Christ within.

Wow... and you claim to have Christ within you? Something just doesn't add up.

I am judging the theology you are presenting, the Lord gives us scripture to use to do that. We are told we are to die to sin, that Christ pays for our sin and through Him we are free from the penalty of our sin, we are free from the death our sins brings to us. Christ then lives in our hearts. Christ is sin free, you cannot have both sin and Christ in your heart. It is the gospel.

Christ allows me to know this, and teaches this. If you accepted Christ you would not be speaking as you do about the work of having a goal of freedom from sin. If you will study the book of Romans you would learn this.

Having Christ within does not take away our knowledge of the gospel or our ability to know of Christ, it takes away our desire to harm other people.

Keep preaching it.