Does I Corinthians 13 teach certain gifts ceased with the closing of the canon?

An acception to what claim ? The witness of man?

I think scripture as it is written proves scripture( faith to faith) as it is written. It was mans witness as the wisdom of the world that made the apostles gods in the likeness of men. Are the apostles gods as part of the legion? Is God served by corrupted human hands .

The word apostle with no other meaning added is "sent one" .Not authoritive ones or powerful ones. We are not to add new meaning to a word it can change the intent of the comandments .

Scripture does not support your view unless you can disprove my view with scripture.

Why would you desire to make the apostles as gods (a legion) in the likeness of men other than $$$$$?

Your view is not of the scriptures .Again words have meaning. And law against changing the meaning needed to change intent.

Apostles "sent one" with no other meaning added.

Example. I sent my son Bobby as a apostle with a list of things to purchase from Piggly Wiggly . He is a reliable apostle not adding or subtracting from my written will. . .

God sent the apostle Abel with prophecy . He is the first martyr..

God sent Balaam's Donkey as a apostle putting his words of prophecy in its mouth. The words of faith stopped the madness of that false prophet

Numbers 22:27-29 King James Version (KJV)And when the ass saw the angel of the Lord, she fell down under Balaam: and Balaam's anger was kindled, and he smote the ass with a staff. And the Lord opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times? And Balaam said unto the ass, Because thou hast mocked me: I would there were a sword in mine hand, for now would I kill thee.

Donkeys as unclean animals are used to represent faithless mankind . other animal that represent Christ like a lamb must be redeemed by the lamb or break its neck also using falling backward to represent the spirit of judgement. This again show us God is not served neither does he live in by the corrupted hands of mankind in any way shape or form .

To emphases he gives us two witnesses in the parables. Hiding the gospel understanding witness he is not served by corrupted human hands. Like a fellow name Oral Roberts as false prophets like Balaam ..

(1)Exodus 13:13 And every firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb; and if thou wilt not redeem it, then thou shalt break his neck: and all the firstborn of man among thy children shalt thou redeem.

(2) Exodus 34:20 But the firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb: and if thou redeem him not, then shalt thou break his neck. All the firstborn of thy sons thou shalt redeem. And none shall appear before me empty.

What's the Hebrew word for "sent one" the Greek use apostle.. or did God not send men in the old testament with His prophecy (gospel words)?

Do you practice Catholicisim?

You can only prove I'm wrong after finding an acception to my claim.

Example. I sent my son Bobby as a apostle with a list of things to purchase from Piggly Wiggly .

The Holy Spirit only operates through the word of God. The Holy Spirit does not freelance and write His own script as He goes.

I can tell that you cannot respond to the scriptures because you are resorting to over stating the gifts and the nature of God. The Holy Spirit never contradicts the word of God nor does the Holy Spirit lead a man to transgress the word of God. You know that to be true. You also know that the bible is how God ministers to saints and sinners alike. The Holy Spirit working through the word of God producing the effect we see in John 16:8-11.

You have failed to demonstrate that the passage in Galatians specifies tongues, knowledge and prophesy.

God performed the miracles not Paul.

Ananias said the Lord sent him that Saul that he might receive his sight and be filled with the Holy Ghost. Ananias laid hands on him.

Barnabas and Saul were separated into the apostolic ministry they were called and sent by the Spirit do to with the laying on of hands of prophets and teachers. (Notice it does not say those five other men were apostles.)

Timothy received a gift through prophecy, accompanied by the laying on of hands of the elders. Notice no reference to apostolic hands in this case.

Cornelius and those with him received the Spirit (most likely) without the laying on of hands of the apostles. The Spirit was poured out on them (most likely) without the laying on of the apostles hands. There was no reference to Peter touching them mid-sentence as he was preaching. This was a surprise to him. He'd just brought himself to go under a Gentile roof.

I Corinthians 12 teaches that gifts of the Spirit are given as the Spirit wills. I Corinthians 14:13 tells an individual who operates in one gift to pray that he might operate in another. Gifts can be received through prayer apart from the laying on of hands of the apostles.

From scripture we see that the laying on of hands is one of the ways in which spiritual gifts can be imparted. The laying on of hands can be carried out by prophets and teachers, who are brethren in the church who have certain gifts, or the elders of the church. Any believer could operating in the laying on of hands for healing. See Mark 16. Scripture is also clear that spiritual gifts can be received apart from the laying on of hands.

Ananias did not provide Paul with the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. It came with being an Apostle.

Can you show me chapter and verse where this is taught? From what I have read, the Bible does not provide any detailed commentary along those lines.

The Bible does say this.

Ananias seemed to
Acts 9:17
And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.

It seems to me you have your own theories that you argue for without Biblical support at all. Scripture contradicts some of your theories. See my previous post.

The Apostles only received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit as their signs and wonders. Paul too when God appointed him. After that, only those they laid hands on received it too. Except for the two outpourings.

Prove your assertion from scripture--that only those who experienced those two outpourings or had apostolic hands laid on them were baptized with the Holy Spirit or had outpourings. Where does the scripture teach that these were the only people who received the baptism of the Holy Spirit? I have already referred you to scriptures which disprove your assertions.

What do you do with I Corinthians 14:13? Do you believe that individuals had to have the baptism of the Holy Spirit to exercise gifts?

The proof is in trying to find another way from what I mentioned and being unable to.

The proof is in trying to find another way from what I mentioned and being unable to.

Have you ever considered any of those who debate another's post, don't understand their view? If they did there would not be any debate. So I'll no longer reply to you on this topic.

The gifts ended with the apostles' deaths. Scripture replaced them.

Can you show me a verse that say scripture replace the gift?

Yes there are still apostles sent out with the gospel. The book of prophecy the Bible. And the gift of new prophecy does not exist. We have the whole or perfect with nothing missing by which we could know him more adequately .No such thing as a sign gift observable to the eye We walk by faith (the unseen).

Spiritual not seen , eternal . Yes more than one of those kind of gifts .

]What part of the bible say No more gift after bible.

When Jesus come to earth, He is perfect, His teaching also perfect, but He did miracle, healing etc

You believe because bible perfect than No gift anymore?

Holy Spirit also perfect. When He come, Peter exercise a gift of speaking in a Lot of language, also gift of healing.

The Holy Spirit not seen does miracles. He is not served by corrupted human hands in any way shape or form . He can move us to plant the incorruptible seed of His eternal spirit but he causes the growth or puts an end to it. We not to know God after the temporal things seen flesh and Blood. He is not a man as us and neither is there what scripture refers to as a daysman . A fleshly umpire set between eternal God not seen and the things of temporal man seen calling balls and strikes.

It would describe the abomination of desolation standing in the holy unseen place of God's hidden glory. That glory will be revealed in the new order. No longer under the Sun.


The gift of healing is a continuous gift from the hand of God. It keep on giving .

God has been speaking in the language of all the nations of the world according to the promise of Joel fulfilled at Pentecost .It worked to bring the gospel into the whole world . This is until the last new revelation given to John .

Tongues God prophesying in the languages of all the nations of the world. It is a sign of unbebelif represented by the faithless Jew used to represent mankind as a whole. God mocked those with stammering lips who by their oral tradition mocked the word of God making it to no effect. God has given us a sign that exposes them called falling backward slain in the spirit.

Not no more gifts . But rather...No more new revelations confirming God has spoken The greater than the witness of mans witness .

1 John 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

The Spirit of Christ in moving men with his unseen gifts as he has from the beginning. He is just is not adding n any new knowledge . The perfect is sealed up with 7 seals and a warning not to add or subtract from the whole.