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You're starving for Jesus aren't you, you miss His presence ? Not one soul here claims they have did anything on their own but only by the name of Jesus, what's your problem ? Is this the closest you can get these days, harassment ?
2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.
2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.
It has to do with foundations.
Is not the witness of God as in all things written in the law and prophets enough? It alone is the foundation of spiritual truth as it is written.
The foundation of Charismatics must be established.
Where do we find that foundation called "sign gifts" in the witness of God? I would think spiritual unseen gifts yes .But the bible does not use sign as that which the eye can see as a gift .(walking by sight)
Psalm 11:2-4 King James Version (KJV) For, lo, the wicked bend their bow, they make ready their arrow upon the string, that they may privily shoot at the upright in heart. If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?The Lord is in his holy temple, the Lord's throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.
We walk by the power of faith the unseen eternal not after what the eyes see, the temporal flesh .
The law of signs is clear. Signs as self edifying wonderments are for those who rebel. Prophecy through the spirit of faith for those who hear the word of God and beleive .
Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men. In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. 1 Corinthians 14: 20-22
No such thing as "sign gifts". Spiritual unseen gifts, yes, a manifold .
2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
Is not the witness of God as in all things written in the law and prophets enough? It alone is the foundation of spiritual truth as it is written.
The foundation of Charismatics must be established.
Where do we find that foundation called "sign gifts" in the witness of God? I would think spiritual unseen gifts yes .But the bible does not use sign as that which the eye can see as a gift .(walking by sight)
Psalm 11:2-4 King James Version (KJV) For, lo, the wicked bend their bow, they make ready their arrow upon the string, that they may privily shoot at the upright in heart. If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?The Lord is in his holy temple, the Lord's throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.
We walk by the power of faith the unseen eternal not after what the eyes see, the temporal flesh .
The law of signs is clear. Signs as self edifying wonderments are for those who rebel. Prophecy through the spirit of faith for those who hear the word of God and beleive .
Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men. In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. 1 Corinthians 14: 20-22
No such thing as "sign gifts". Spiritual unseen gifts, yes, a manifold .
2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
It would appear like the unbelieving Jew used to represent un belief (no faith) in mankind rather followed a law of the fathers. . oral tradition of men holding the traditions of the fathers above all things written in the law and prophets. In the end of the matter making the scriptures without effect. No man can serve two masters.
They made Jesus into a circus seal .Do a trick then you can a have a 2 fish needed to feed the five thousand.
John 6:30They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
John 4:48Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.
Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
The sign of Jonas was fulfilled by the Son of man, Jesus
They made Jesus into a circus seal .Do a trick then you can a have a 2 fish needed to feed the five thousand.
John 6:30They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
John 4:48Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.
Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
The sign of Jonas was fulfilled by the Son of man, Jesus
It works like this. The miracles were signs meant to be seen. But not even one cell phone capture of anything remotely approaching a miracle exists. It would make headlines if it did. You need to make the miracles you claim visiblw for
Miracles were to be seen, not hidden. Where are they if they exist?
Miracles were to be seen, not hidden. Where are they if they exist?
Cell phones can capture the witness of men. But the witness of faith as God's labor of love that works in us is the greater witness.
1 John 5:9If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son
Same thing we can clone a body . But cannot clone a spirit or a soul.
I can't make you see the things of God. That is a work he performs when we do mix faith (the unseen ) in what we do see or hear .It is the work of God that we can believe. And not of the imaginations of our faithless heart.
John 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
He reveals how the unseen hands of the gospel works spiritually to heal .
Some that walked down the three avenues in 1 John. When they with the lust of their eyes saw the result of the gospel being preached. They made the apostles into a legion of gods in the likeness of men .As if God was a man to begin with .
There is no power in the corrupted hands of men . God moves men. Men do not move .God he never sleeps. He has the upper hand.
And there they preached the gospel. And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother's womb, who never had walked: The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed, Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked. And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men. And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker. Acts14:7-12
As a response of being called gods. They did not say thank you for noticing . But rather tore their clothes showing blasphemy of the Holy Spirit not seen. Blasphemy. . . giving credit to what the eyes standing in the unseen holy place as the things of God .A abomination of desolation
1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
Study to learn the diference between the the things of men seen and those of God not seen (faith) .Its there where the father tries to get his foot in the door .It as it is written makes him flee.
1 John 5:9If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son
Same thing we can clone a body . But cannot clone a spirit or a soul.
I can't make you see the things of God. That is a work he performs when we do mix faith (the unseen ) in what we do see or hear .It is the work of God that we can believe. And not of the imaginations of our faithless heart.
John 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
He reveals how the unseen hands of the gospel works spiritually to heal .
Some that walked down the three avenues in 1 John. When they with the lust of their eyes saw the result of the gospel being preached. They made the apostles into a legion of gods in the likeness of men .As if God was a man to begin with .
There is no power in the corrupted hands of men . God moves men. Men do not move .God he never sleeps. He has the upper hand.
And there they preached the gospel. And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother's womb, who never had walked: The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed, Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked. And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men. And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker. Acts14:7-12
As a response of being called gods. They did not say thank you for noticing . But rather tore their clothes showing blasphemy of the Holy Spirit not seen. Blasphemy. . . giving credit to what the eyes standing in the unseen holy place as the things of God .A abomination of desolation
1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
Study to learn the diference between the the things of men seen and those of God not seen (faith) .Its there where the father tries to get his foot in the door .It as it is written makes him flee.
No, we don't count prophecy as equal to scripture. Scripture is for the church across ages. Do you think the genuine prophecies that scripture alludes to, but does not quote in its pages are equal to scripture?
Ahab said of Micaiah 'he never prophesies anything good about me' before we read the only prophetic messages from Micaiah in scripture.
Saul prophesied when the Spirit of God came upon him. We do not know what he said. Some prophets from Shiloh prophesied. We do not know what they said. Those are just a few examples.
Ahab said of Micaiah 'he never prophesies anything good about me' before we read the only prophetic messages from Micaiah in scripture.
Saul prophesied when the Spirit of God came upon him. We do not know what he said. Some prophets from Shiloh prophesied. We do not know what they said. Those are just a few examples.