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He promised that believing people will not have their names blotted out.
The promise is not for never-believers, fake believers, and former believers.
The promise is for the believing.
How is a never-believer, fake believer, or a former believer somehow a born again person that the promises should apply to them?
The promise is not for never-believers, fake believers, and former believers.
The promise is for the believing.
How is a never-believer, fake believer, or a former believer somehow a born again person that the promises should apply to them?
All those who are born again, will be seen come judgement as spotless.
A "former believer" would have never been saved because the "faith" they professed was never a saving faith and would only appear to be a "former believer" before man and before God they were always in unbelief having no trust, confidence, fidelity in Christ.
You can never have been redeemed at any point by Jesus, then face judgement without His righteousness.
It is a gift that can/will not be returned or taken back.
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That Verse in 1 Cor. 9:23 is a confusing translation at best.
Here is a Better One:
1 Corinthians 9:23 (HCSB)
23 Now I do all this because of the gospel, so I may become a partner in its benefits.
Benefits are something after you have responded to the Gospel.
The Benefits of BELIEVING THE TRUTH, is Being Sealed by the Holy Spirit, and having HIM IN OUR HEARTS as a Guarantee of our Inheritance, AND the Joy of seeing other respond to the Gospel of Truth.
Ephesians 1:13-14 (ESV)
13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,
14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.
QUOTE:
1 Cor. 9:23.
Paul voluntarily did this in order to gain the widest possible hearing for the gospel and so to share in its blessings as God's fellow worker (3:9), reaping the joyful harvest of many won to Christ (cf. John 4:36).
The Bible Knowledge Commentary: An Exposition of the Scriptures by Dallas Seminary Faculty. -END QUOTE.
QUOTE:
9:23 Now this I do for the gospel's sake, that I may be partaker of it with you. In the preceding verses Paul had been describing how he submerged his own rights and desires in the work of the Lord. Why did he do this? He did it for the gospel's sake, in order that he might share in the triumphs of the gospel in a coming day.
Believer's Bible Commentary: A Thorough, Yet Easy-to-Read Bible Commentary That Turns Complicated Theology Into Practical Understanding. -END QUOTE.
He is not talking about the Gospel itself, but rather the Blessings we receive because we genuinely responded to the Gospel.
And just so you know it says CROWNS in this verse:
Revelation 19:12-13 (HCSB)
12 His eyes were like a fiery flame, and many crowns were on His head. He had a name written that no one knows except Himself.
13 He wore a robe stained with blood, and His name is the Word of God.
He Speaks of specifically Different Crowns, throughout Scripture; and then He says:
1 John 3:2 (HCSB)
2 Dear friends, we are God’s children now, and what we will be has not yet been revealed. We know that when He appears, we will be like Him because we will see Him as He is.
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I know that.
That's why we should remain born again through our continued faith in Christ.
Says who?
You can if you trample on the blood of Christ by which you were sanctified in willful unbelief.
You can't have the safety of Christ's blood that you no longer believe and trust in.
Says who?
That's why we should remain born again through our continued faith in Christ.
Says who?
You can if you trample on the blood of Christ by which you were sanctified in willful unbelief.
You can't have the safety of Christ's blood that you no longer believe and trust in.
Says who?
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1. I don't remain born by choice, nor can I remain born again by choice.
2. "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us."
"We are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul."
3. Those He has sanctified, He will also justify.
Hebrews 10:14
“For by one offering He hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.”
" And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God."
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Romans 11:29
New International Version
for God's gifts and his call are irrevocable.
New Living Translation
For God’s gifts and his call can never be withdrawn.
English Standard Version
For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
Berean Study Bible
For God’s gifts and His call are irrevocable.
Berean Literal Bible
For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
New American Standard Bible
for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
New King James Version
For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
King James Bible
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
Christian Standard Bible
since God's gracious gifts and calling are irrevocable.
Romans 8:38-39
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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Actually, you do have the choice whether you remain alive or not.
If vs. 19 means all genuinely saved people never ever leave Christ (or else they were never really saved to begin with), why does John then proceed to warn the saved people he's talking to remain?
19They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.
24As for you, see that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father.
26I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray.
1 John 2:19,24-26
If vs. 19 means what you say it means then these saved people can't be led astray. Yet he warns them so they won't be led astray. Obviously, osas is taking vs. 19 out of context and saying it applies to all people when in fact he's talking about a very specific set of people in his church at that time. The Gnostics to be specific. They did not believe that Christ came in the flesh (see the context). That is the person who never belonged to the truth because it's impossible to be saved if came to Christ thinking he did not come in the flesh.
Yes, believing people are by definition not people who have drawn back to perdition.
You can't be believing and drawing back to perdition at the same time.
The warnings are not to draw back to perdition.
Osas is misusing this scripture to say all the warnings in Hebrews only apply to those who don't really believe and never believed.
Osas says the letter is written to believers but then when it comes to something that doesn't line up with osas doctrine it says that part is meant for the never really saved unbelievers in the church.
Yes, if you keep believing.
The whole context of scripture shows us this promise applies to the person who believes to the very end.
It is not for those who stop believing.
In context it says nothing about this meaning you can not lose your salvation.
The context shows us this means Christ does not have to be sacrificed over and over again.
It says that in plain words.
Of course believing people are washed, sanctified, and justified by the Spirit of God.
That's why we should continue to be believing people.
How does God never changing his mind about giving the gifts and calling to Israel, even though they have been dying and going to hell for centuries, mean the person who does believe can never lose the gift of salvation?
The whole context of scripture shows us this does not include the believers freedom to stop believing.
It means the love of God in salvation can not be forcibly taken from you.
The old covenant did not afford this security for the people of God.
That's what makes this so meaningful.
But osas twists and misuses it to mean you can't ever lose your salvation no matter what, under any conditions.
If vs. 19 means all genuinely saved people never ever leave Christ (or else they were never really saved to begin with), why does John then proceed to warn the saved people he's talking to remain?
19They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.
24As for you, see that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father.
26I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray.
1 John 2:19,24-26
If vs. 19 means what you say it means then these saved people can't be led astray. Yet he warns them so they won't be led astray. Obviously, osas is taking vs. 19 out of context and saying it applies to all people when in fact he's talking about a very specific set of people in his church at that time. The Gnostics to be specific. They did not believe that Christ came in the flesh (see the context). That is the person who never belonged to the truth because it's impossible to be saved if came to Christ thinking he did not come in the flesh.
Yes, believing people are by definition not people who have drawn back to perdition.
You can't be believing and drawing back to perdition at the same time.
The warnings are not to draw back to perdition.
Osas is misusing this scripture to say all the warnings in Hebrews only apply to those who don't really believe and never believed.
Osas says the letter is written to believers but then when it comes to something that doesn't line up with osas doctrine it says that part is meant for the never really saved unbelievers in the church.
Yes, if you keep believing.
The whole context of scripture shows us this promise applies to the person who believes to the very end.
It is not for those who stop believing.
In context it says nothing about this meaning you can not lose your salvation.
The context shows us this means Christ does not have to be sacrificed over and over again.
It says that in plain words.
Of course believing people are washed, sanctified, and justified by the Spirit of God.
That's why we should continue to be believing people.
How does God never changing his mind about giving the gifts and calling to Israel, even though they have been dying and going to hell for centuries, mean the person who does believe can never lose the gift of salvation?
The whole context of scripture shows us this does not include the believers freedom to stop believing.
It means the love of God in salvation can not be forcibly taken from you.
The old covenant did not afford this security for the people of God.
That's what makes this so meaningful.
But osas twists and misuses it to mean you can't ever lose your salvation no matter what, under any conditions.
I did not change the subject.
Being born again is you being made spiritually alive by the Spirit of God joining Himself to your spiritually dead spirit.
Being born again is a metaphor for your new life. It's not about having a baby.
You're making it out to be like it's a new baby running around the house that you can't just make go away as if it was never born.
"God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions" - Ephesians 2:4-5
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Being born again is you being made spiritually alive by the Spirit of God joining Himself to your spiritually dead spirit.
Being born again is a metaphor for your new life. It's not about having a baby.
You're making it out to be like it's a new baby running around the house that you can't just make go away as if it was never born.
"God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions" - Ephesians 2:4-5
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