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posthuman

posthuman

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azamzimtoti said:
The parable of the fig tree has nothing to do with the Garden of Eden any more than the "all the trees"
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i don't think that statement is accurate.
it has a lot to do with Genesis 3 - the first mention of figs in the scripture. that first mention is how mankind, with the death of sin infecting them, used a fig tree to try to cover the shame of their iniquity.

the fig tree is specifically mentioned in Genesis 3 apart from 'all the trees' and it's not for no reason. the fig tree represents Israel, in a specific aspect, which has a lot to do with what happened in Eden.

azamzimtoti said:
(Luke 21:29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees)

(Luke 21:30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand)
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so if the fig tree is a type of Israel, 'all the trees' is a type here of all the other nations of earth, all the gentiles.
it is not for no reason that He specifies 'fig tree'
 
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John146 said:
Yes, but proves it is a tree. Grape is a type of blood and blood is forbidden as well. Blood is what’s corrupt. Jesus she’d His blood as a showing of getting rid of sin.

I believe Adam had no blood until he sinned and ate of the fruit. The resurrection body of Jesus had no blood. Our redeemed bodies have no blood. We must put on incorruption. We must put on immortality.

1 Corinthians 15
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
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I have never read anything like this before... someone smarter than me needs to offer a rebuttal I think.
 
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posthuman said:
i don't think that statement is accurate.
it has a lot to do with Genesis 3 - the first mention of figs in the scripture. that first mention is how mankind, with the death of sin infecting them, used a fig tree to try to cover the shame of their iniquity.

the fig tree is specifically mentioned in Genesis 3 apart from 'all the trees' and it's not for no reason. the fig tree represents Israel, in a specific aspect, which has a lot to do with what happened in Eden.



so if the fig tree is a type of Israel, 'all the trees' is a type here of all the other nations of earth, all the gentiles.
it is not for no reason that He specifies 'fig tree'
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Well now this is very interesting!
 
Lucy-Pevensie

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John146 said:
Yes, but proves it is a tree. Grape is a type of blood and blood is forbidden as well. Blood is what’s corrupt. Jesus she’d His blood as a showing of getting rid of sin.

I believe Adam had no blood until he sinned and ate of the fruit. The resurrection body of Jesus had no blood. Our redeemed bodies have no blood. We must put on incorruption. We must put on immortality.

1 Corinthians 15
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
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Are you suggesting Jesus' pre-crucifixion blood was corrupt?
His blood was perfect otherwise his sacrifice wouldn't have had the power to atone for our sin.
Lev 17 tells us the life of every creature is in the blood. Corruption has only entered through sin.
It's bizarre to suppose Adam had no blood. It was forbidden to eat blood not to have it in your veins.

Jesus' resurrection body was flesh and bone because he was drained as a sacrifice.
We can't know positively that our resurrected bodies will be exactly the same in every detail.
None of us are or ever will be the lamb without blemish that was slain.
 
posthuman

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posthuman said:
it has a lot to do with Genesis 3 - the first mention of figs in the scripture. that first mention is how mankind, with the death of sin infecting them, used a fig tree to try to cover the shame of their iniquity.
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heck, knowing this, it's not unlikely that the offering of 'the fruit of the ground' that Cain brought in Genesis 4 was figs.
how incredibly evil that would be! Abel brings blood, Cain brings fig leaves?

the significance may be lost on us today, but it would not have been lost on Cain, so proximal in time and situation to those events.
 
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John146 said:
Yes, but proves it is a tree. Grape is a type of blood and blood is forbidden as well. Blood is what’s corrupt. Jesus she’d His blood as a showing of getting rid of sin.

I believe Adam had no blood until he sinned and ate of the fruit. The resurrection body of Jesus had no blood. Our redeemed bodies have no blood. We must put on incorruption. We must put on immortality.

1 Corinthians 15
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
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You're really stretching this. Nowhere in Scripture is it declared that the forbidden fruit was a grape. You're speculating and making doctrine from nothing.
 
Dino246

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John146 said:
Yes, and the juice from the grape is a type of blood in the Bible.

Deuteronomy 32:14 Butter of kine, and milk of sheep, with fat of lambs, and rams of the breed of Bashan, and goats, with thefat of kidneys of wheat; and thou didst drink the pure blood of the grape.
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You'd do well to learn what a metaphor is.
 
posthuman

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John146 said:
Yes, but proves it is a tree. Grape is a type of blood and blood is forbidden as well. Blood is what’s corrupt. Jesus she’d His blood as a showing of getting rid of sin.

I believe Adam had no blood until he sinned and ate of the fruit. The resurrection body of Jesus had no blood. Our redeemed bodies have no blood. We must put on incorruption. We must put on immortality.

1 Corinthians 15
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
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Adam never ate any blood. it wasn't given to man to eat an animal until Noah -- notwithstanding what the wicked may have done before the flood.

wine is not only a type of blood, but a type of joy.
it is not insignificant that the first miracle Christ performed was changing water to wine -- nor insignificant that the reason given in the law not to eat blood is because 'the life' is in the blood. Christ is the life. He commands us to drink His blood. blood is a type in scripture primarily of life -- and so also the grape is, through representing blood, through representing joy.
Christ's body has no blood??
we will no more have blood??
the narrative of the scripture is a narrative of blood, blood, blood - the life is in the blood, the blood is given so that we may have life, the blood must be on the doorposts and lintel, the blood covers the ark -- unless we drink His blood there is no life in us: what, we'll drink it and it just *poof* disappears? He will drink the wine of the grape with us at the marriage supper, and drinking that wine and that blood is putting on incorruption.

He saw all He made and it was good. that includes grapes, and that includes blood.
it's man who has imagined many devices -- do not let anyone judge you in matters of food and drink. =|
 
posthuman

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John146 said:
Yes, and the juice from the grape is a type of blood in the Bible.

Deuteronomy 32:14 Butter of kine, and milk of sheep, with fat of lambs, and rams of the breed of Bashan, and goats, with thefat of kidneys of wheat; and thou didst drink the pure blood of the grape.
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Likewise also the cup after supper, saying,
this cup is the new testament in My blood, which is shed for you
(Luke 22:20)
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Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart; for God now accepteth thy works!​
Let thy garments be always white; and let thy head lack no ointment!
(Ecclesiastes 9:7-8)​
 
posthuman

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John146 said:
Yes, and the juice from the grape is a type of blood in the Bible.

Deuteronomy 32:14 Butter of kine, and milk of sheep, with fat of lambs, and rams of the breed of Bashan, and goats, with thefat of kidneys of wheat; and thou didst drink the pure blood of the grape.
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interested to know if you take the Lord's supper with water instead of wine, like the Mormons do?
or do you not participate at all?
or is it not evil to drink the fruit of a grape, after all?
 
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EleventhHour said:
I am sure there is now clean snow to be found unless on goes way north these days

But syrup from figs is very yummy....if you ever see it in a speciality store try it.
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California Syrup of figs for constipation.
I love fig jam when I can get it.
 
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John146 said:
Huh, I guess the grape does grow on a tree. Don’t figure.😉

Numbers 6
2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When either man or woman shall separate themselves to vow a vow of a Nazarite, to separate themselves unto the Lord:
3 He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.
4 All the days of his separation shall he eat nothing that is made of the vine tree, from the kernels even to the husk.
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O my that was for making a vow of a Nazirite and that was usually about 30 days
 
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r1xlx

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posthuman said:
it's only forbidden during the days of a temporary, voluntary vow, and only to the person who takes that explicitly temporary, explicitly voluntary vow.
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grapes and dried grapes are only prohibited for Jews wanting to become Nazerites for a time.
It is of no concern to us Christians. We can eat what we want apart from blood and perhaps food we know was offered to idols.
 
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I wonder what is going on in 'Speak your Mind" thread? I was able to post there this morning, and now I hit 'reply' and it won't let me post anything in there??
 
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John146 said:
Yes, but proves it is a tree. Grape is a type of blood and blood is forbidden as well. Blood is what’s corrupt. Jesus she’d His blood as a showing of getting rid of sin.

I believe Adam had no blood until he sinned and ate of the fruit. The resurrection body of Jesus had no blood. Our redeemed bodies have no blood. We must put on incorruption. We must put on immortality.
sin is the law.
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You have the most ludicrous beliefs more worthy of jWs or Muslims!
Adam had the same 8 pints as any human today , although he may have been taller and had a pint or two extra.
Jesus's resurrection body had to have blood in it in order to function as a human unless you think he was a 1950's Japanese wind-up toy robot.
He was wandering about in resurrection for 40 days just as he was 40 days being tempted by Satan. Moses was 40 x 2 days up Sinai with GOD.
Lots of occultists claim 40 is a special number but who cares?

Acts 15:29
29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
 
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