The Doctrinal Belief of a Pre-Tribulation Resurrection. Is not spoken of in the Word of God. It was created by a sick and deranged woman

Talk is cheap. Lets see the scriptures.
Rev, 14 tells us about the 144,000, A message from 3 angels and the harvest of the earth/Resurrection day. But there is not one single word in Rev 14 about any 7 years of Tribulation or 7 years of the wrath of God. There is nothing in Rev 14 about Resurrection taking place before a period of Tribulation or after a period of Tribulation. If anything Rev. 14 is telling us that the harvesting of the earth happens just before or even after the battle of Armageddon.
Rev 14:18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.
Rev 14:19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
Rev 14:20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.
Blood raising to the level of a horses bridle is talking about the battle of Armageddon. If that were true, that would mean that the resurrection does not take place until after a period Tribulation and just before the battle of Armageddon. That is unless you believe that the battle of Armageddon happens before the Resurrection. LOL And we all know that the battle of Armageddon happens at the end of a period of seven years and the wrath of God is pored out on the earth.
Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Man REALLY you are mixed up, calling scripture something that it doesn't even speak of and in reality you have proven my point that "THERE WILL BE NO RESURRECTION UNTIL AFTER A PERIOD OF 3 1/2 YEAR OF GREAT TRIBULATION.
As I said, everybody know that the resurrection happens before the battle of Armageddon and the battle of Armageddon happens after the Wrath of God is pored out onto the earth.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Again as I have said. Talking without scripture is really cheap and doesn't prove anything, especially a Pre-Trib doctrinal belief
So put your scripture where your mouth is! In which scriptures are words of Jesus directly against me?
Where in the Word of God does't it tell us that there will be a Rapture before a Resurrection?? If you are beyond the shadow of a doubt correct it should be easy to quote some scripture proving I am wrong.
So far you have failed to do that. Not once have you provided scripture to prove you are right. But I on the other hand I have provided many scriptures to prove you are wrong and you haven't been able to prove that any of those scroptures I have quote are being minipulated to fit a Post Trib doctrine.

The church is absent from the book of Revelation after chapter 3. The book of Revelation is aimed at Israel not the church. The terrible tribulation is aimed at Israel and centered on Jerusalem not the church.

The church is not appointed unto wrath. Israel is going to be chastised by God one last time to prepare them to see and receive their Redeemer Christ coming in the clouds and entering Jerusalem to save them from complete destruction.

Understanding dispensational teaching is key to comprehending what God is doing and why.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Aaahhhhmmm.......this harvest IS part of Gods wrath Rev 14:19. Jesus makes reference to this Matt 13:30 as do the Apostles prophets.

I fear Matt 13:14 falls upon so many on this thread.

Wrath means punishment and Tribulation means Affliction.

Haven't got a clue where you got your number from.

One of the big issues with the dispensationalist view is that much of the content of Revelation is attack upon God's people (the Church) by Satan and his cohorts, both angelic and human. It is part of the war between children of the woman and children of the serpent.

It's really only the last ten trumpets, which occur after the resurrection (and changing) of God's people which could be properly called God's wrath.

In fact, God's wrath is actually a reaction to the evil events that are perpetrated by the servants of Satan over the course of millennia, but more focused at the end.

By the way, when asked about the Rapture and where it appears in the Bible, John MacArthur stated "in the white space". In other words, it doesn't appear AT ALL. It is inferred by dispensationalism, which proposes that the Church bails out seven months prior, rather than staying and being a faithful witness.

And, as mentioned, the origin of the teaching is likely the claims of a young woman.

There is zero wrath upon Gods people in Revelation. Which aligns perfectly with the dispensationalist view so called of today.

Lol
You leave out "before the flood"

You invert it to after the flood.
(Which means you changed how Jesus framed noah and the setting)

Then we keep reading to see if that "pretrib dynamic" is authenticated...and Bingo....Jesus says this;
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

Beyond any doubt,Jesus is describing the pretrib rapture.

Jesus in the same chapter confirming the pretrib rapture and VIVIDLY differentiating the rapture from the second coming WITH THOSE FROM THE PRETRIB RAPTURE.

Without a doubt the rapture is pretrib

There is zero wrath upon God's people in Revelation, BUT there is suffering and martyrdom that they experience.

There is a difference between experiencing the suffering and persecution described in Revelation, with experiencing the wrath of God, which will be poured out on unbelievers by God, and is described in Rev 16.

What I am saying is that the claim is made by dispensationalists that the church is taken to heaven during this persecution, which apparently only happens to the Jewish Christians saved after the Rapture, according to their theology.

And, even MacArthur mentions that there's no Scriptural proof for the Rapture in Revelation..it is inferred by dispensationalists, as they don't believe the Church is mentioned after Revelation 6.

However, my position would be that they fail to see the symbolism of the 144,000 as being the Church, instead claiming that this is a group of Jewish evangelists.

Even though the names of the tribes don't align perfectly with the tribes of Israel.

For instance, Dan is omitted, and Manasseh is included along with Joseph, which makes no sense. Ephraim is omitted, therefore Manasseh should not be included either.

But, it makes sense to me if we are talking about True Israel, which is the church.

I recommend the Shorter Commentary on Revelation by GK Beale if anyone really wants to understand Revelation. He gives a coherent explanation on why Israel is referred to in this manner. And, it avoids the dispensationalist error of viewing Revelation as a sequence of events. That's really the problem with them..they don't understand that there is overlap between the different sections of Revelation. It is a number of visions with overlapping content. For instance, the exact moment of the fall of human society is mentioned about 3 times.

Look up "tribulation saints". Distinct from the Church. The 144,000 certainly are Israelites, reconsituted and recommissioned TO PREACH. However in the manner of OT prophets calling down fire and plagues. This in stark contrast to the Church (who are in heaven being raptured) who are to be HARMLESS in their preaching.

The futurist literalist pre-trib rapure view is undoubtedy correct.

I know what Darbyites teach..I don't need to look it up

I don't think it is coherent, and while claiming they are the expert exegetes of Scripture, they propose things that are outlandish..

It is hilarious how MacArthur said "there are no allegories in Scripture" and the Rapture is in the "white space between the verses" in Revelation, yet you guys dare to claim others are exegeting Scripture wrongly.

It's like the blind trying to lead others.

I am no Darbyite. What do you think.....everyone needs a guru? I can read and properly exegete scripture all by myself.

BTW....MacArthur is a pre-trib premillenial dispensationalist. One of the most vociferous. Besides me.

One other thing....those who are NOT WAITING for Christ's imminent return are SURE to miss it. The warnings are explicit.

I am no Darbyite. What do you think.....everyone needs a guru? I can read and properly exegete scripture all by myself.

BTW....MacArthur is a pre-trib premillenial dispensationalist. One of the most vociferous. Besides me.

One other thing....those who are NOT WAITING for Christ's imminent return are SURE to miss it. The warnings are explicit.

I am no Darbyite. What do you think.....everyone needs a guru? I can read and properly exegete scripture all by myself.

BTW....MacArthur is a pre-trib premillenial dispensationalist. One of the most vociferous. Besides me.

One other thing....those who are NOT WAITING for Christ's imminent return are SURE to miss it. The warnings are explicit.

Jesus will come in a time not expected like a thief in the night just as in the days of Noah, same sign of the times a unknown ending. Christians are not of the number .They walk by faith the unseen eternal .

Well thank you for such a well thought out and put together response. I mean that.

Before I sound like I'm "attacking" can I ask you where you get all this from? I mean I understand this ts your own personal view of these things, but from my outside perspective seem to be a lot more "view" than what we read in scripture.

First of all that "holy place" is said to be in Jerusalem as well, and that the sacrifices are interrupted too. I don't think I've stepped too far outside logic to conclude the holy place in Jerusalem where sacrifices take place is God's temple. To be honest before I started seeing this problem and bringing it up I NEVER heard anything but this happens in the "3rd temple", now all of a sudden it's mushy and maybe this, or maybe that. Honestly it really blows my mind anyone with the futurist view doesn't firmly stand on this 3rd temple. Which the way I see it now do you think it's easy to stand firm on what I say I believe even when it causes others to lash out, blacklist, and call me names.(not you obviously) So when I get mish mush answers on questions like this, and now for the first time I hear things like "a literal flag that will be set in the holy place in Jerusalem's major synagogue, and in all Christian churches that will be rendered closed and off limits due to a one world order type of power set or government that will rise up" I just don't get it. A "major synagogue" is the holy place? Why? Where in the world do you draw this from scripture? <----I'm asking with all due respect, just in case it seems harsh, tone is impossible in text and I appreciate your whole attitude here and don't want to ruin it.

All of Dispensationalism comes from a GAP between Daniel's 69th and 70th weeks scripture does not mention. From there it cuts and pastes scripture out of context to paint in its scheme. They deny Jesus fulfilled the 70 weeks as written. They turn him into Antichrist. And develop a chain of false prophecy based on that calling for a restored Roman Empire. Because that was the setting the 70th week took part in. The kingdom did come during the 70th week but since they and the Pharisees looked for a physical kingdom, they missed it. The Kingdom came but it was spiritual.

Hello again!

According to the English dictionary, not the Hebrew or Greek in scripture.
Make no mistake the Hebrew language is picturesque the Greek language is precise......
The Bible is a Mediterranean middle eastern book translated in various languages
over 85% of the English language came from ... The Bible.

I know. Unfortunately word study is not being taught these days.
and this is not the platform to teach to use words in the context they were written.

2Tim 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

In conclusion, we have a different belief concerning the G2347.
I believe the LORD provides a way of escape for His G1577, from His G2372, by being G726 in to His glory.

God Bless!

Aaahhhhmmm.......this harvest IS part of Gods wrath Rev 14:19. Jesus makes reference to this Matt 13:30 as do the Apostles prophets.

I fear Matt 13:14 falls upon so many on this thread.

All of Dispensationalism comes from a GAP between Daniel's 69th and 70th weeks scripture does not mention. From there it cuts and pastes scripture out of context to paint in its scheme. They deny Jesus fulfilled the 70 weeks as written. They turn him into Antichrist. And develop a chain of false prophecy based on that calling for a restored Roman Empire. Because that was the setting the 70th week took part in. The kingdom did come during the 70th week but since they and the Pharisees looked for a physical kingdom, they missed it. The Kingdom came but it was spiritual.