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Phoneman-777

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Judges1318 said:
No, but when the cat you brought up from birth decides to adopt himself out to the neighbors because they give him exotic canned foods over your generic bag of dry food you let them go.
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No, you cage him, ignore his ferocious growls, his sharp biting teeth and scratchy claws, and then smile and pretend he loves you :LOL::LOL::LOL:
 
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Phoneman-777 said:
I'm trying to get you guys to put on your big boy/girls underwear and recognize that it is our daily responsibility to "abide in the Vine" or else wind up in the fire "but he that shall endure to the end, the same shall be saved". (John 15:5-10 KJV; Matthew 12:13-14 KJV)

How can OSAS - which denies Conditional Salvation - not see that Jesus Himself right here plainly says salvation is on condition that we endure to the end?
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How can you get us to do anything while displaying fear in refusing to answer whether hypocrisy is a presumptuous sin or not?

You lack credibility.
 
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Or were they adding to it by following circumcision?
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Doesn't matter, Paul plainly told them they make Christ of no effect to themselves in justification by seeking justification through the law:

2Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
4Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Galatians 5:2,4
 
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Phoneman-777 said:
I'm trying to get you guys to put on your big boy/girls underwear and recognize that it is our daily responsibility to "abide in the Vine" or else wind up in the fire "but he that shall endure to the end, the same shall be saved". (John 15:5-10 KJV; Matthew 12:13-14 KJV)

How can OSAS - which denies Conditional Salvation - not see that Jesus Himself right here plainly says salvation is on condition that we endure to the end?
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How about starting to rightly dividing the word of God rather than this monolithic understanding.

Saved until the end is in context of the tribulation..... it is referring to physical life...physical life will be saved.
 
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Phoneman-777 said:
I'm convinced you mean well, but "Salvation that can be lost is no salvation at all" is just empty, high sounding theological skulduggery.

If a drowning man catches my rope and I begin pulling him in but halfway through he suddenly decides he'd rather die than live and lets go - according to your OSAS logic, he never had hold of the rope.
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Except for the fact your analogy is unbiblical and innacurate, like nearly all your beliefs.
 
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EleventhHour said:
How about starting to rightly dividing the word of God rather than this monolithic understanding.

Saved until the end is in context of the tribulation..... it is referring to physical life...physical life will be saved.
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In other words, 'saved' doesn't really mean saved.
Just another 'not really' doctrine of osas.
Not really saved...
Not really sanctified...
Not really fallen away...
etc.
 
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Judges1318

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Phoneman-777 said:
If a drowning man catches my rope and I begin pulling him in but halfway through he suddenly decides he'd rather die than live and lets go - according to your OSAS logic, he never had hold of the rope.
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Or, depending on one's flavor of osas, he is saved anyway despite him letting go of the rope as he drifts helplessly away and sinks under the water.
 
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Judges1318 said:
In other words, 'saved' doesn't really mean saved.
Just another 'not really' doctrine of osas.
Not really saved...
Not really sanctified...
Not really fallen away...
etc.
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Oh it does mean saved.... their physical life will be saved, they will not die in the tribulation,

Read it in context.... but then context is always a problem for NOSAS crowd.
 
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EleventhHour said:
Oh it does mean saved.... their physical life will be saved, they will not die in the tribulation,

Read it in context.... but then context is always a problem for NOSAS crowd.
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Enduring to the end means continuing to believe even if put to physical death, such as will happen when the mark of the beast gets here The person who endures under that trial (unto death) will be saved.
While the person who denounces belief in Christ and lives physically will not be saved.

I can definitely see these new style osas converts choosing physical life over continuing to believe in Christ because it doesn't matter in their theology. The warning to die instead of take the mark in order to be saved is meaningless in the new osas.
 
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Judges1318 said:
But he drowns nonetheless in that scenario because he let go of the only way to be saved that was extended to him.
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Well analogies are not always very useful.

But the point is this if he was saved and begins drowning it is not that he was never saved.. the point is that Jesus promises to chastise and will go after those that fail.
 
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lightbearer said:
WOW and it was to this post.
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EleventhHour said:
When you "workers" get the gospel then I will change it, until then I have complete and utter displeasure for what you preach... it is not the Gospel and a direct assault on the Saviour.
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You mean satan. I understand your displeasure and lack of any real content. His spirit in you must be a terrible thing to deal with. Give yourself to God and His Son Jesus Christ and He will rid you of your demon.
 
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EleventhHour

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Judges1318 said:
Enduring to the end means continuing to believe even if put to physical death, such as will happen when the mark of the beast gets here The person who endures under that trial (unto death) will be saved.
While the person who denounces belief in Christ and lives physically will not be saved.

I can definitely see these new style osas converts choosing physical life over continuing to believe in Christ because it doesn't matter in their theology. The warning to die instead of take the mark in order to be saved is meaningless in the new osas.
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Do you seriously believe this?

The person who endures under that trial (unto death) will be saved.
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So now we now we have to prove our worth to God?

The text is clearly referring to surviving physically... we do not prove our worthiness to God.

That is just wrong.
 
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lightbearer said:
You mean satan. I understand your displeasure and lack of any real content. His spirit in you must be a terrible thing to deal with. Give yourself to God and His Son Jesus Christ and He will rid you of your demon.
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Wow.. so now I am possessed

What did you think @blue_ladybug should I add that to my list?
 
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Judges1318

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EleventhHour said:
Do you seriously believe this?



So now we now we have to prove our worth to God?

The text is clearly referring to surviving physically... we do not prove our worthiness to God.

That is just wrong.
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You missed it:
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choosing physical life over continuing to believe in Christ
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The person endures unto death because HE BELIEVES IN CHRIST and won't stop.
He's not enduring to earn salvation.
He's enduring because he is continuing to believe in Christ.
 
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lightbearer said:
Child of the devil actually. Sad
You should call all your cohorts. Call them by name; Legion
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How does that work, when conditional salvation ultimately denies Jesus and salvation by placing "self" in His place?

Seems ironic to me that you would refer to us as Legion?
 
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