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Gen 14:5

In the fourteenth year Chedorlaomer and the kings who were with him came and defeated the Rephaim in Ashteroth-karnaim, the Zuzim in Ham, the Emim in Shaveh-kiriathaim,
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all variant names for nephilim



 

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yes.

And God's Word tells us there would be further outbreaks of these nephilim:

Genesis 6:4 There were giants [Hebrew nephilim] in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown.

Whenever the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, the result was nephilim and, as you state, nephilim are known by other names.
May have something to do with these so-called "alien" hybridization stories. BTW There seems to be a UFO outbreak in India right now. Satanic/nephilim deception in play IMO.
 
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Is that why Moses and the Israelites, The Edomites,

I would think whenever our father in heaven moves a person from any nation they could be considered men of renown . witness of God's power as the Nephilim .

The renown Nephilim are not spoken of as evil

Ezekiel 16:14 And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord God.


Ezekiel 39:13 Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord God.

Not glorified by fallen angel as some say
 
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May have something to do with these so-called "alien" hybridization stories. BTW There seems to be a UFO outbreak in India right now. Satanic/nephilim deception in play IMO.
yeah ... I figure if there is some sort of "alien" activity going on it's the work of satan.



 

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I would think whenever our father in heaven moves a person from any nation they could be considered men of renown . witness of God's power as the Nephilim .

The renown Nephilim are not spoken of as evil

Ezekiel 16:14 And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord God.


Ezekiel 39:13 Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord God.

Not glorified by fallen angel as some say
Sorry to say that you are making little to absolutely no sense.
 

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yeah ... I figure if there is some sort of "alien" activity going on it's the work of satan.
Completely agree. The entire UFO debacle is a deception and Satanic in origin and purpose. It is highly probable that this is going to be the great end time lie.
 

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I would think whenever our father in heaven moves a person from any nation they could be considered men of renown . witness of God's power as the Nephilim .
The Bible doesn't say the Nephilim were witnesses of God's power... anywhere.

The renown Nephilim are not spoken of as evil
And Peter's words to Jesus aren't called "blasphemy" but that doesn't stop you from calling them blasphemy.

And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord God.

Ezekiel 39:13 Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord God.
You're conflating "Nephilim" with "renown", but the Bible does not conflate the two concepts.
 
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Completely agree. The entire UFO debacle is a deception and Satanic in origin and purpose. It is highly probable that this is going to be the great end time lie.
yep ... and the lie will be swallowed hook, line, and sinker.



 

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Nephilim are men of renown, mighty men in whom God worked in and with to both will and do his good pleasure a prophets.
Do your homework with Scripture instead of making up and promoting unbiblical ideas.

Daughter can represent literal daughters to represent mankind or daughters of the spiritual understanding just as the word sons is used
What Scripture supports this idea?

Like the word mother, applies to both genders .
What Scripture supports this (wacky) idea?

As new creatures we are not to reconcile male or female when reasoning in the word. . .
What the heck does that mean?

Daughters of Job provides an interesting study in lieu that we are identified as the bride. It could be like the reference sons of God using Job to signify the work of the unseen father.
Don't use phrases that you don't understand; look up the meaning first, and use them accordingly.

As Sons of God it speaks of the unseen power that moves mankind.
That's not in Scripture either, but is only your opinion. Look up every occurrence of "sons of God" and see if your theory holds up in every case.
 

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rephaim
zuzim
emim


all variant names for nephilim
Also Anakim :)

Anakim: the descendants of Anak (Joshua 11:21 ; Numbers 13:33 ; Deuteronomy 9:2). They dwelt in the south of Palestine, in the neighbourhood of Hebron (Genesis 23:2 ; Joshua 15:13). In the days of Abraham (Genesis 14:5 Genesis 14:6) they inhabited the region afterwards known as Edom and Moab, east of the Jordan. They were probably a remnant of the original inhabitants of Palestine before the Canaanites, a Cushite tribe from Babel, and of the same race as the Phoenicians and the Egyptian shepherd kings. Their formidable warlike appearance, as described by the spies sent to search the land, filled the Israelites with terror. They seem to have identified them with the Nephilim, the "giants" (Genesis 6:4 ; Numbers 13:33) of the antediluvian age. There were various tribes of Anakim (Joshua 15:14). Joshua finally expelled them from the land, except a remnant that found a refuge in the cities of Gaza, Gath, and Ashdod (Joshua 11:22). The Philistine giants whom David encountered (2 Samuel 21:15-22) were descendants of the Anakim.
 
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Its simply people of renown ,depending on who lifts them up. Worldly renown hall of blame or the unseen glory the one with the power the blameless one .
 

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Its simply people of renown ,depending on who lifts them up. Worldly renown hall of blame or the unseen glory the one with the power the blameless one .
Dude. You have no idea what you're talking about. Seriously you're all over the map.
 
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Also Anakim :)

Anakim: the descendants of Anak (Joshua 11:21 ; Numbers 13:33 ; Deuteronomy 9:2). They dwelt in the south of Palestine, in the neighbourhood of Hebron (Genesis 23:2 ; Joshua 15:13). In the days of Abraham (Genesis 14:5 Genesis 14:6) they inhabited the region afterwards known as Edom and Moab, east of the Jordan. They were probably a remnant of the original inhabitants of Palestine before the Canaanites, a Cushite tribe from Babel, and of the same race as the Phoenicians and the Egyptian shepherd kings. Their formidable warlike appearance, as described by the spies sent to search the land, filled the Israelites with terror. They seem to have identified them with the Nephilim, the "giants" (Genesis 6:4 ; Numbers 13:33) of the antediluvian age. There were various tribes of Anakim (Joshua 15:14). Joshua finally expelled them from the land, except a remnant that found a refuge in the cities of Gaza, Gath, and Ashdod (Joshua 11:22). The Philistine giants whom David encountered (2 Samuel 21:15-22) were descendants of the Anakim.
emims are the same as anakims:

Deuteronomy 2:11 Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites call them Emims.


 

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emims are the same as anakims:

Deuteronomy 2:11 Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites call them Emims.
Indeed. The Levant was infested with Nephilim. The theory is that Satan did this in an effort to thwart plan of God.
 

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This is so funny to me> why? because the context of Chapter 6 of Genesis is men doing wickedness that offended God, not angels. The systematic range of words in the Hebrew like" sons of God" can mean gods, angels, and man. You have to apply what fits contextually. Remove son of god and replace it with angels the chapter context changes but will not fit.
 
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Indeed. The Levant was infested with Nephilim. The theory is that Satan did this in an effort to thwart plan of God.
Yes. I believe the reason satan went after the daughters of men was because of the promise made by God in Gen 3:15:

Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.


... satan's attempt to corrupt the seed of the woman failed at that time when God imprisoned the angels that sinned, destroyed the nephilim, and saved Noah (whose bloodline was uncorrupted ... Noah was perfect in his generations - Gen 6:9). The complete failure of satan came at the time the Lord Jesus Christ was born. :cool:



Then later satan tried to infest the land of Canaan after God promised the land to Abraham:

Genesis 15:

18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:

19 The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites,

20 And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims,

21 And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.


satan fights for that land to this day, which is why there is so much turmoil in the middle east. Of course, satan tries to divert our attention so most people believe the strife is about oil or the plight of the palestinians (for whom satan cares nothing) ...



 

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This is so funny to me> why? because the context of Chapter 6 of Genesis is men doing wickedness that offended God, not angels. The systematic range of words in the Hebrew like" sons of God" can mean gods, angels, and man. You have to apply what fits contextually. Remove son of god and replace it with angels the chapter context changes but will not fit.
The context of Gen6 accords perfectly with first and second Peter and Jude, all of whom say the exact same thing. That fallen angels had unlawful SEXUAL intercourse with women and created Nephilim.
 

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The context of Gen6 accords perfectly with first and second Peter and Jude, all of whom say the exact same thing. That fallen angels had unlawful SEXUAL intercourse with women and created Nephilim.
No it does not you assume it does. Just like those who try to use JOB . The context is different. 2 Pet 2:4
For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment;

This has nothing to do with Gen 6. you can remove that. The context of gen 6 is men and in the Hebrew the word nephilim are mighty men of war. Not angels you have to add the context of angels to the word nephilim what does not fit. And Jude mentions nothing of Noah but Sodom and Gomorrah, Moses that is it. You have added. to the word of God.
 

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No it does not you assume it does. Just like those who try to use JOB . The context is different. 2 Pet 2:4
For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment;

This has nothing to do with Gen 6. you can remove that. The context of gen 6 is men and in the Hebrew the word nephilim are mighty men of war. Not angels you have to add the context of angels to the word nephilim what does not fit. And Jude mentions nothing of Noah but Sodom and Gomorrah, Moses that is it. You have added. to the word of God.
bene Elohim = angels
No it does not you assume it does. Just like those who try to use JOB . The context is different. 2 Pet 2:4
For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment;

This has nothing to do with Gen 6. you can remove that. The context of gen 6 is men and in the Hebrew the word nephilim are mighty men of war. Not angels you have to add the context of angels to the word nephilim what does not fit. And Jude mentions nothing of Noah but Sodom and Gomorrah, Moses that is it. You have added. to the word of God.
The context here is absolutely crystal-clear. There is a direct and intentional comparison, Both parties being indicted with the same type of SEXUAL sin. If you care to study the term "habitation" you will see that there is absolutely no doubt what is going on here!


Jude 1:6
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Jude 1:7
as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
 
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Jesus said they were men. Matthew 24:37-39