creationist debate?

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Lightskin

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miknik5 said:
Itś a visual recap of THE LORDŚ MINISTRY...6 earthen vessels, symbolic of the 6th day creation (man) and HIS washing with water and changing this water into NEW WINE...because the ¨wine had run out¨
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Seriously? It couldn’t simply be six vessels? 🤷‍♂️
 
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Reformyourself said:
The fermentation of wine generally takes a minimum of 2 weeks, and then 2-3 weeks of aging before it's even ready to bottle. The longer you bottle your wine, the better the results.

How long did it take Jesus to turn water into wine at Cana? My Question is: why did it only take Him 6 days to create the universe, when He could have done it in a split second (like the wine) 👍
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God could've created the universe in a nano-second or create with no time at all. I believe He did it is 6 days and rested on the 7th day so that we could relate to that period of time. By resting on the 7th day even though He does not require rest He established the Sabbath.
 
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tourist said:
God could've created the universe in a nano-second or create with no time at all. I believe He did it is 6 days and rested on the 7th day so that we could relate to that period of time. By resting on the 7th day even though He does not require rest He established the Sabbath.
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Yes, but when did time start?

In the beginning...
 
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EleventhHour said:
Yes, but when did time start?
In the beginning...
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On day 1 of creation. However, Bible chronology started on day 6 with the creation of Adam. The "Year of Man" (Anno Hominis) is calculated from Adam.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
And remember, 2 of each kind..
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Also remember many had become extinct as part of the downward corruption . The larger first (food supply) . Insects and micro organisms last. Many more Ant skeletons than Brontosaurs or Ant eater skeletons or T Rex, Brontosaurs eaters .
 
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azamzimtoti said:
It's quite possible the creation narrative was "formatted" as a shadow or motif to reflect the six day/sabbath command given to Israel as a part of the prophetic narrative that proceeds onward to the consummation in Christ.

(Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days)

(Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.)
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Of course it was. The Sabbath was a pattern meant to be followed. But your comment gives no weight to weather it was 7 days or 7 seasons of time. The lexical data shows a literal motif of 7 days.
 
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biker said:
What constitute a Christian in your viewpoint?
And would other Believers look at you and think you are Christ like?
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Definitely not! My past behaviour has made everyone hate me! (& I don’t blame them). A ‘real’ Christian 🤔 “Christ in them” think I’ve may have met one, but I’m not 100% sure (they weren’t gentle meek & mild though, I can tell you that much & everyone rejected them, including me)😔
 
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2 very different genres. If you try to read Genesis 1 as pure history, you are misreading it and not, in fact, "taking it literally."
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That’s my opinion 😬
 
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biker said:
Because they are not afraid of it like one would be with a t-rex. It's like the brontosaurus, who is as tall as the twin towers were, but you could be near them without them trying to attack you.
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Thats a bunch of assumptions.

Ever seen a Lebanon Cedar tree? According to the account, The behemoth had a tail like a cedar. Here is a picture of one with people standing next to it for comparison

This was no elephant or "Hippo" as many want to claim it is.

Lebanon Cedar.jpg
 
miknik5

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Lightskin said:
Seriously? It couldn’t simply be six vessels? 🤷‍♂️
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Seriously....yes...the LORD of the SABBATH took those 6 earthen vessels, used for purification, and poured NEW WINE into them...

I am not a numerologist, but in my early walk, the LORD opened the heart of my eyes and ears to the understanding that 6 is symbolic of unregenerated man, 7 is the LORD, and 8 (symbolic in OT through circumcision on the 8th day), a NEW CREATION, marked/covenanted to GOD...by the TRUE CIRCUMCISION which is not upon the flesh...
 
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JamOn said:
the proper time in Evening and Morning at first light was illusive to people of old, they had no way of determining the 18 mins at sunset and sunrise the 36 mins when there is light but no shadow to gauge time. everyone in those days who knew how to tell time by the sun and stars and other natural gauges knew it wasn’t easy. today we just look at a mechanical clock we don’t even consider that length as anything but what a mech clock says.
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The proper time for evening and morning, the first day, was signified in the creation account...therefore, it was to GOD that a day was defined as ëvening and morning, the first day.
 
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Reformyourself said:
Definitely not! My past behaviour has made everyone hate me! (& I don’t blame them). A ‘real’ Christian 🤔 “Christ in them” think I’ve may have met one, but I’m not 100% sure (they weren’t gentle meek & mild though, I can tell you that much & everyone rejected them, including me)😔
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Well if "behaviour" is your measurement tool you will be looking for a long time, one can always find faults in others.
 
miknik5

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biker said:
I believe in a literal 6 day Creation.

But I also believe like the Hebrews believe that Genesis 1:1 actually meant a finished Heaven and Earth complete with people and all sorts of life forms (even Dinosaurs).

Then between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2, we have the "Fall of Satan" who was sent crashing upon the Earth and destroyed the Earth from Genesis 1:1. (Ice Age) and why the Earth appears under water.

And then from Genesis 1:2 onward, we have a Creation that this time leads to the Messiah through Adam.
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How can this be if there was NOT yet a firmament that separated the waters above from the waters below...that would mean, prior to this that those life forms were only those that could live submerged in water...

Please refer to Genesis 1:7
 
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