The absurdity and heresy of Preterism

Sorry I completely disagree. Jesus makes it clear that no flesh would be saved not simply Israelites in Judea. If you want a reasonable framework to get a more accurate view of the great tribulation, consider the judgments and plagues upon Egypt. These judgments were deliberate severe and unequivocally originated from God Himself. Even the Egyptians understood this. Furthermore this judgment was known across the entirety of those regions. These judgments were supernatural in nature, and their focus was of course the Israelites and their emancipation.

The great tribulation has many factors that are equivalent, but orders and orders of magnitude greater in severity. Furthermore it will result in the final absolute redeeming of Israel.

By the way the date of 70 A.D. does not fit with any Biblical prophecy. Jesus was the only Person who prophesied the destruction of 70 A.D. and there is no peculiarity given. However Daniels 70th week prophecy clearly indicates a future day. And that day is nearing it is on the very horizon.

Does Jesus day “the whole world?”

No one in the whole of the Bible said it’s like Egypt. In fact Jesus said nothing in the past or future is like it.
No freeing of anyone occurred in the tribulation. No relation. Where does John write that?
Wrong! Within that generation...a time table.
It was future to Daniel...not to us.

I don't know who wrote the Epistles of John.

1st John seems to be in the same style as the gospel.
but this could just mean it was written by someone who was a close associate of the apostle, or had heard him preach a lot and picked up his style of talking.

second and third John, there's no clue as to who wrote them apart from tradition, imo.

well, I think because John is the human agent through whom the inspiration was given.

when translating and then reading it, we use our human experience of language to attach meaning to the marks on the page.

70 AD fits perfectly with Jesus' statement, "This generation shall not pass away...".

Only if you insert a gap and thereby disjoint Daniel's 70th week from the first 69.

Luke 21:32 - "Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled."

Verse 32's "ALL" [by its placement coming after v.24] must necessarily *include* everything that verse 24 had just said:

"24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and will be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trodden down by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled." [<--that last item doesn't END till His Second Coming to the earth (per Rev11:2)]



[note to the readers: the phrase "the TIMES of the Gentiles" ^ (involving the "be trodden down" issue) is entirely distinct in meaning from the phrase "the FULNESS of the Gentiles be come in [G1525]" ]

So basically, instead of taking Jesus at His word and rethinking your understanding of the individual events, you're taking your understanding of the events as paramount and rethinking Jesus' plain, clear statement.

I believe it is very clear and straightforward that when Jesus said "...TILL ALL be fulfilled" (v.32) that He necessarily is referring to everything He'd just stated up to that point (which therefore includes all of the items in v.24 He'd already JUST SAID).

It is the one thinking He DIDN'T include "what He'd just said" that must explain why He did not mean those items also.

that's an interesting point.

Revelation opens with a promise
Revelation 1:3 Blessed is the one who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy, and keep the things that are written in it, for the time is at hand.

in my experience, those of my Christian brothers and sisters who like to take the events in Revelation and match them up with other prophecy passages and lay out a plan of end time events are often anxious about the believed-to-be coming situation.

the opposite of blessed/happy.

[p.s. "the TIMES of the Gentiles" STARTED in 606/605bc and pertains to Neb's "dream/image/statue" with Neb as "head of gold"... this does not END until Christ's 2nd Coming to the earth, and this involves Jerusalem being "TRODDEN DOWN of the Gentiles UNTIL"... which is distinct from the phrase "the FULNESS of the Gentiles be come in [G1525]" a whole different concept/item--So v.32's "ALL" is INCLUDING each of the items already having been referred to by Jesus in v.24 (re: "the TIMES of the Gentiles" and relating to the "be TRODDEN DOWN by... UNTIL")]

One of the "purposes" of the [future] tribulation period is... to bring Israel into the New Covenant.

Consider a post I made some time back:

[quoting that post]


I've posted this before about the "days" (and/or "day") issues (the ones that are not "singular 24-hr days"):

Hosea 5:15-6:3 [re: Israel] -

14 For I am like a lion to Ephraim

and like a young lion to the house of Judah.

I, even I, will tear them to pieces

and then go away.

I will carry them off

where no one can rescue them.

15 Then I will return to My place

until they admit their guilt and seek My face;

in their affliction

they will earnestly [or, early] seek Me.”

6:1 Come, let us [Israel] return to the LORD.

For He has torn us [Israel] to pieces,

but He will heal us [Israel];

He has wounded us [Israel],

but He will bind up our [Israel's] wounds.

2 After two days He will revive [H2421] us [Israel]; [see H2421 in Ezekiel 37 also, vv.3,5,6,9,10,14]

on/in the third day He will raise [H6965] us [Israel] up, [see H6965 in Isaiah 26 also, v.19]

that we [Israel] may live [H2421 (ditto the above note)] in His presence.

3 So let us [Israel] know—

let us [Israel] press on to know the LORD.

As surely as the sun rises,

He will appear;

He will come to us [Israel] like the rain,

like the spring showers that water the earth [/as the latter rain unto the earth].


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[then... quoting Gaebelein's Commentary on Hosea 5]

"And like the lion after his attack withdraws to his den, so the Lord would withdraw from them, leave them and return to His place, waiting till their repentance comes and they seek Him early in their affliction.

"The last verse of this chapter has a wider meaning than the past judgment which came upon the house of Israel. The Lord of glory came to earth and visited His people. He came with the message and offer of the kingdom to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. He came unto His own, but His own received Him not. After they had rejected Him, delivered Him into the hands of the Gentiles to be crucified, He returned to His place. There He is now at the right hand of God, waiting for that day, when the remnant of Israel will repent and seek His face Acts 3:19-26. [I mentioned Acts 3:21's reference to FUTURE events (i.e. the "UNTIL") in my Post #71 of this thread (EDIT: in a different thread)]. That will be in their coming great affliction, in the time of Jacob’s trouble.

"Hosea 6:1-3. The division of the chapter at this point is unfortunate. The three verses of chapter 6 must not be detached from the previous chapter. Here we have the future repentance of the remnant of Israel, that is during the great tribulation. Believingly they will acknowledge His righteous judgment and express their faith and hope in His mercy and the promised blessings and restoration. They express what their great prophet Moses so beautifully stated in His prophetic song, that great vision given to him, ere he went to the mountain to die. “See now that I, even I, am He and there is no god with Me; I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal; neither is there any that can deliver out of My hand” Deuteronomy 32:39. “After two days will He revive us; on the third day He will raise us up, and we shall live in His sight (literally, before His face).” They have been dead spiritually and nationally, but when the two days of their blindness and dispersion are over, there is coming for them the third day of life and [what is *LIKENED UNTO a] resurrection."

--Gaebelein, Commentary on Hosea 5 (taken from Bible Hub)

[end quoting Gaebelein; bold and underline mine; bracketed insertions mine]

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[note the passages I've listed before that *LIKEN this UNTO a RESURRECTION ^ (re: Israel's "FUTURE"): Romans 11:15(25-29); Ezekiel 37:12-14,20-23; Isaiah 26:16-21; Daniel 12:1-4,10; John 6:39 (distinct from v.40); Hosea 5:15-6:3 "after TWO days" and "IN the THIRD day"... which is "THE LAST" of these three (counting from His resurrection/ascension [32ad], per Hos5:15), or "THE LAST" of seven (if you count from creation/Genesis 1, i.e. the "sabbatismos" of Heb4:9 (see Ex31:13,17 "it [the sabbath/7th day] is A SIGN between Me and the children of Israel for ever"), aka the Millennial Day of REST, that is, the 7th Millennium, or "THE LAST")]

I believe it is a big mistake to view the phrase "The Last Day" to be referring to "a singular 24-hr day"

[end quoting that post]

Dodge much?

What did I "dodge"?

I said it is a very CLEAR statement Jesus made... that the "ALL" He's referring to in v.32 MUST INCLUDE everything He'd stated up to that point (including the items in v.24 [placed previous to v.32]--which items happen to be of LONG DURATION).


Why are you not including v.24's items in His word "ALL" [v.32]?? That is an odd thing to do.

You completely dodged the assertion that you are interpreting verse 32 in light of your understanding of previous verses rather than the other way around.

Agreed.

We disagree here. If verse 32 is clear, however verse 24 is interpreted, it must fit within the time frame set by verse 32, rather than redefining it.

What makes you think I am doing so?

To be clear, Jesus does address the events surrounding 70ad. He does so in vv.12-24 only (Lk21:12-24 of the Olivet Discourse).

But that is the only part of the Olivet Discourse speaking of the 70ad events.

(Verse 12 gives us the time element, by saying "BUT BEFORE all these" referring to "BUT BEFORE ALL THESE ["BEFORE all these" items He'd just referred to in vv.8-11, which are "the beginning of birth pangs" parallel to Matt24:4-8/Mk13:5-8. This provides the SEQUENCE. And shows us, when we read the passage in its entirety, that the time-frame Jesus is referring to in His "TILL ALL be fulfilled" is of long duration, NOT being "concluded" in the 70ad events.)

Quite true and yet they’ll defend it to the teeth. Reading real history was very enlightening.

In order for your view to be correct, you must reinterpret "this generation".

[EDIT addition to my post] ^ This means that "SET A circumstances" (the 70ad events [vv.12-24a]) take place BEFORE "Set B circumstances" ('the beginning of birth pangs' [vv.8-11]).



[and that v.32 speaks of "ALL"--"TILL ALL be fulfilled"]

When Jesus said "all flesh", He means exactly that. ALL FLESH including animals birds men fishes....everything.
So said God in the days of Noah as well.

No sane person actually believes this refers to the 70AD destruction.

Nope. 70AD definitely DOES NOT correlate to Daniels 70th week, whether you allow a gap or not.

Of course you must admit that Jesus invokes Daniels ch 9 directly correct?

You see.....the preterist, historist, idealist views just fall apart under scrutiny. On the contrary, careful students of prophecy at this juncture of history are in fact fulfilling the command of Jesus and Paul.....that being to WAIT FOR the return of Jesus.

We need not post the dozens of warnings and exhortations thereof do we?