Is YOUR church doctrinal statement ONE with SATAN?

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fredoheaven

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crossnote said:
So, all the native Japanese, Spanish, Swahili, Tagalog etc. speakers are at a disadvantage having to go through an extra translation process to read the 1611? Doesn't that strike you as being a bit unfair on God's part to tap only the English 1611 as the 'perfect unadulterated translation'?
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Hi Sir,

I would speak to Tagalog since I am a Filipino, in that not even one of the many translations in Tagalog Bibles are pure including those New Testament Translation from the KJV by many Independent Baptists Pastors here in the Philippines but hoping we can come up with one. However, my personal conviction is that we no longer need them since most of the Filipinos would understand or can read English. There are hard things to be understood in the English but with the rise of modern Technology and other tools Filipinos can grasp them. We may not be as fast as you are being a native speaker but with God's grace anyone can understand and I am speaking of of the English Bible-KJV. Again, other translations in every sort may contain the words of God, yet the KJV is the pure words of God.
 
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John146

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tourist said:
The thing is, most people of the world do not read or speak English.
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That’s not the issue. Has God preserved His words in English? If so, where are they?
 
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ChosenbyHim said:
Amen brother. And I would like to just add to it the following:

We also believe that the King James Holy Bible is without error and absolutely pure. For indeed, the King James Holy Bible is the perfect, inerrant and infallible word of God for us today.
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You mean you and the people in the video?
Do you know these people or just follow them?
If you know them, are they willing to back Scripture for Scripture against the materials that the KJV Bible was interpreted from?

It would be really easy to show you about 50 errors within the KJV that claims something else from the materials they were translated from!
 
fredoheaven

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Dino246 said:
Make your argument on the actual words of Scripture, not the speculative assertions about Scripture.
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Here's what i mean, that the Bible must not contradict itself and that the KJV did not contradict itself. Case in a point where Jesus in the KJV English translation did not contradict itself with the parallel passages yet in the case of other English translation as the ESV has contradicted itself as in this case. Now I am taking an actual English texts even one had its claim of being an English 'Standard'. The Bible must not contain an error or making a contradictory statements. God bless.
Matthew 19:17 King James Version (KJV)
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Mark 10:18 King James Version (KJV)
18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.


Luke 18:19 King James Version (KJV)
19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.


Matthew 19:17 English Standard Version (ESV)
17 And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.”




Mark 10:18 English Standard Version (ESV)
18 And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.




Luke 18:19 English Standard Version (ESV)
19 And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.
 
Dino246

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John146 said:
Do we have access to every word of God? If not, how can we properly live for God?

Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
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Did Jesus have a complete Bible from which to quote? No. Your argument falls flat.

Really, you need to stop with the silly questions and step up with Scripture to defend your position.
 
Dino246

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fredoheaven said:
Here's what i mean, that the Bible must not contradict itself and that the KJV did not contradict itself. Case in a point where Jesus in the KJV English translation did not contradict itself with the parallel passages yet in the case of other English translation as the ESV has contradicted itself as in this case. Now I am taking an actual English texts even one had its claim of being an English 'Standard'. The Bible must not contain an error or making a contradictory statements. God bless.
Matthew 19:17 King James Version (KJV)
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Mark 10:18 King James Version (KJV)
18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.


Luke 18:19 King James Version (KJV)
19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.


Matthew 19:17 English Standard Version (ESV)
17 And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.”




Mark 10:18 English Standard Version (ESV)
18 And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.




Luke 18:19 English Standard Version (ESV)
19 And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.
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You can "mean" all you like, but you're not making your point from Scripture. Scripture does not say, "The Bible must not contradict itself". That's an imposition of human reasoning. I'm not saying it's wrong or bad, but it is not Scripture.
 
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John146 said:
That’s not the issue. Has God preserved His words in English? If so, where are they?
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God has certainly preserved His words in all the languages that the bible has been translated into. Actually, not at all sure what exactly the issue is. I do know that the Word of God is not returned void.
 
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tourist said:
God has certainly preserved His words in all the languages that the bible has been translated into. Actually, not at all sure what exactly the issue is. I do know that the Word of God is not returned void.
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Where is His words in the English language?
 
Magenta

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tourist said:
God has certainly preserved His words in all the languages that the bible has been translated into. Actually, not at all sure what exactly the issue is. I do know that the Word of God is not returned void.
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The issue is with those who claim the KJV of 1611 to be the only preserved Word of God, while ignoring any of its flaws and pointing out flaws in other translation/versions.
 
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John146 said:
Do we have access to every word of God? If not, how can we properly live for God?

Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
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The Holy Spirit is able to lead us into all Truth and guide us accordingly. EDIT: Please don't assume by me saying that that I cast away the goodness of the bible.

I'm interested in that word proceedeth, when Jesus said that, was He speaking of present tense?
 
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John146

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Magenta said:
The issue is with those who claim the KJV of 1611 to be the only preserved Word of God, while ignoring any of its flaws and pointing out flaws in other translation/versions.
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If the KJV is not the preserved word of God in English, then where is it? I want to read, study and obey the perfect, pure words of God. Who would want anything less?
 
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Magenta said:
The issue is with those who claim the KJV of 1611 to be the only preserved Word of God, while ignoring any of its flaws and pointing out flaws in other translation/versions.
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If it is concluded that a bible version or translation contains flaws then it seems likely that the 1611 KJV contains flaws as well. Regardless, I am sure that God is capable of preserving His word regardless of the version or translation. Seems to me that it would be almost impossible to say conclusively that the 1611 KJV version is flawless as any evidence presented would still be an opinion of the one interpreting the evidence.
 
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Dino246 said:
Did Jesus have a complete Bible from which to quote? No. Your argument falls flat.

Really, you need to stop with the silly questions and step up with Scripture to defend your position.
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The Bible that Jesus quoted from is the Septuagint, the Greek translation written in koine Greek. It was the translation of the OT because so many Jews at the time couldn't understand Hebrew. Of course, there was no New Testament because none of the "books" had been written yet.
 
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Do we also realise that the KJV also added and removed passages of scripture compared to previous translations according to what the translators thought was right?
 
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John146 said:
If the KJV is not the preserved word of God in English, then where is it? I want to read, study and obey the perfect, pure words of God. Who would want anything less?
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There are many translations of the Biblical texts, some with different emphases than others. None of them are perfect. In fact, such a thing is not possible because the words that are in the source languages have no English counterpart, the verb tenses are different, and the idioms are very different. Translators do the best they can, with different emphases according to their translation goals.

The Authorized Version was created for one purpose only: to please King James. It has been revised a number of times because the 1611 version had flaws. Deal with it!
 
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