Is YOUR church doctrinal statement ONE with SATAN?

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jaybo said:
There are many translations of the Biblical texts, some with different emphases than others. None of them are perfect. In fact, such a thing is not possible because the words that are in the source languages have no English counterpart, the verb tenses are different, and the idioms are very different. Translators do the best they can, with different emphases according to their translation goals.

The Authorized Version was created for one purpose only: to please King James. It has been revised a number of times because the 1611 version had flaws. Deal with it!
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Its main flaw today is the archaic language that makes it tedious to read and follow.
 
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John146 said:
Ok, which version contains the pure words of God in the English language?
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LOL, that's what I was trying to find out. Seems like some here are saying the KJV 1611. Is that your view?
 
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fredoheaven said:
Again, other translations in every sort may contain the words of God, yet the KJV is the pure words of God.
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That's the language of 'liberal theologians' which I am certain you are NOT.
Can you show me proof that the NKJV, NASB, ESV are any less the word of God than the KJV?
 
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tourist said:
I would surmise that God's word in the English language would be in an English translation of the bible.
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Even if that bible contradicts itself and contains errors? Doe God contradict Himself? Does His word contain errors?
 
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tourist said:
God has certainly preserved His words in all the languages that the bible has been translated into. Actually, not at all sure what exactly the issue is. I do know that the Word of God is not returned void.
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We all should agree, that the Verbal Words of God are never wrong and never incorrect.
We all should agree, that when these men of God were inspired by the Holy Spirit to write down what we view as Biblical, it was 100% correct.
We all should agree, from what was inspired and written BUT then later translated several times is not absolutely 100% the Word of God!
 
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jaybo said:
In fact, such a thing is not possible because the words that are in the source languages have no English counterpart, the verb tenses are different, and the idioms are very different.
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Cannot God have His word perfectly translated into English, and those English words be perfect for English speakers? Couldn’t God do this in any language He desired?
 
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John146 said:
Even if that bible contradicts itself and contains errors? Doe God contradict Himself? Does His word contain errors?
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More rhetorical questions based on human reasoning instead of God's actual words. C'mon John, step up. You know the Bible so well, but you can't come up with even one verse that says what you believe?
 
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... the ones that clearly declare uncertainty about the wording in some passages?
 
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John146 said:
Cannot God have His word perfectly translated into English, and those English words be perfect for English speakers? Couldn’t God do this in any language He desired?
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Apparently you did not read my post where I stated that what God can do is irrelevant. What He has done (or declares that He will do) matters.
 
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John146 said:
Even if that bible contradicts itself and contains errors? Doe God contradict Himself? Does His word contain errors?
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The question that you asked was where God's word can be found in English and I surmised that it probably could be found in a bible written in English. Regarding the 1611 English KJV, it would be only an opinion that this version is without flaws of any kind so therefore it is superior to other versions or translations in English or any other language. Personally, I prefer the NKJV with modern English that is easier to read and digest than the KJV version, 1611 or otherwise. Even saying that a bible contains contradictions or errors is an opinion. When taken in context with the entire Word of God the contradiction may not be a contradiction at all but rather a misunderstanding on the part of the reader. The same thing could be said for perceived flaws as well.
 
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Dino246 said:
More rhetorical questions based on human reasoning instead of God's actual words. C'mon John, step up. You know the Bible so well, but you can't come up with even one verse that says what you believe?
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Do you really need verses that state God cannot lie? His words are faithful and true? Every word of God is pure? God is not the author of confusion?
 
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Dino246 said:
Apparently you did not read my post where I stated that what God can do is irrelevant. What He has done (or declares that He will do) matters.
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He declared to preserve His words. Where are they? Do we have access to them?
 
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tourist said:
The question that you asked was where God's word can be found in English and I surmised that it probably could be found in a bible written in English. Regarding the 1611 English KJV, it would be only an opinion that this version is without flaws of any kind so therefore it is superior to other versions or translations in English or any other language. Personally, I prefer the NKJV with modern English that is easier to read and digest than the KJV version, 1611 or otherwise. Even saying that a bible contains contradictions or errors is an opinion. When taken in context with the entire Word of God the contradiction may not be a contradiction at all but rather a misunderstanding on the part of the reader. The same thing could be said for perceived flaws as well.
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Thank you for your honesty.
 
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John146 said:
He declared to preserve His words. Where are they? Do we have access to them?
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You won't accept the answer, so I won't bother giving it to you.
 
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When the definition of BEGOTTEN is a child from 2 parents or a purpose put into place, we can see how the KJV makes us think wrongfully concerning God and the WORD. Begotten either means someone existed BEFORE the other, or it means a purpose was put into place for a reason. By all technicality, the term BEGOTTEN removes co-eternal and co-equal. And that leads to "now what does that mean for the Trinity?" KJV dropped the ball.

Because in 1 John 5:18
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
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We were never physically born of God, but we are definitely BEGOTTEN of God for His Purpose!
 
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John146 said:
Do you really need verses that state God cannot lie? His words are faithful and true? Every word of God is pure? God is not the author of confusion?
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Provide Scripture, not questions.
 
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Dino246 said:
You don't use the 1611 version, or at least you don't quote from it. Do you even have a copy? Do you read the sidenotes?
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From a friend and fellow brother in Christ...

First of all, the King James Bible has NEVER been “revised”. By this we simply mean that the King James Bible’s underlying Hebrew and Greek texts have never changed in over 400 years. When the bible agnostics speak of the alleged “thousands of changes” in the various editions or printings of the King James Bible, what has really changed is the type font from Gothic print to the Roman type, the spelling of many words like sinne to sin, and doore to door, Goe to go and hee to he. The spelling has been modernized, but the text itself has never changed.
 
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