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? Biker, have you received the baptism of Holy Spirit?

Once someone is saved.....filled with Holy Spirit, the old has passed away. Once you know the Father through the Son, what would ever entice one to worship the enemy? These thoughts are totally wrong biker.


Yes, I was Saved and filled with God's Spirit. But I left 10 years later and got into witchcraft/Paganism. If I had died when I was worshipping Satan, you know Have no other gods before ME! I would have went to hell even though I once was Saved!
 
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No
I teach god chose to save everyone who obeys the gospel
You teach God chooses others because they chose him. You then teach he chose you because you chose him, making you special for doing so, which merited him choosing you.

That is merit, not grace.

whike you teach god only saves a select few while opening their heart and keeping everyone else’s heart closed and that’s ok
I don't believe God saves only a select few and you will nowhere find I've stated this. Try using what I actually say, not what you want me to say or believe. You've done this so many times it is now bearing false witness.

He saves a multitude according to his word, like the sand of the sea. God doesn't have to keep others hearts closed, they are already closed, being dead in trespasses and sin, Ephesians 2 &c. If he saves them, then they will be quickened or made alive. Until then they are at his mercy if he exercises it on them via the Gospel.


But that's just more of you teaching things I've never stated, and is also a theological error on your part, showing how theologically inept you are.


It’s not ok. It destroys his own character
But it is OK, it exalts his person and glory in the fact he can, at any time he desires, execute justice.

Choosing to save whom he wills according to nothing good in them exalts his glory in showing his mercy, love and kindness.

In both instances we see the glory (attributes) of God on display, you just don't happen to like the fact he can execute justice as he wills and does. It doesn't destroy his character, it tears down the idol you've created God to be in the likeness you think feels good and comfortable.

He owes nothing to anyone, and you're merely the Romans 9:19-20 fellow complaining against as in how can God still find fault if he won't give everyone mercy.
 
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I don’t say that OSAS. Eternal security for one who has been touched by God. You have to be secure in Jesus to wrestle with the enemy. And you will.

You are missing my point here.

I found a Reason to LeAve God. I went directly to Satan. Had I died in that time, no way do I go to Heaven.
 

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Yes, I was Saved and filled with God's Spirit. But I left 10 years later and got into witchcraft/Paganism. If I had died when I was worshipping Satan, you know Have no other gods before ME! I would have went to hell even though I once was Saved!
But, you left. You didn’t die. I can’t imagine how that happened, but you are dealing with what if’s! Not truth.

Something took you away from deception. His faithfulness and His keeping power.
 
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But, you left. You didn’t die. I can’t imagine how that happened, but you are dealing with what if’s! Not truth.

Something took you away from deception. His faithfulness and His keeping power.


I know I did not die and why I am Saved today.

But had I died back then, no way do I go to Heaven?
 
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Because something could happen that makes you question God!

No matter what happens in a born agains life,........you would never take the mark of the beast.

No matter what you go through.....God will get you through everything that you face....you put your trust and faith in him...no matter what.

Only God can be trusted......
 

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You are missing my point here.

I found a Reason to LeAve God. I went directly to Satan. Had I died in that time, no way do I go to Heaven.
You were angry with God for some kind of disappointment? Would your earthly father cast you out of the family, not the house, but the family for rebellion?
 
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No matter what happens in a born agains life,........you would never take the mark of the beast.

No matter what you go through.....God will get you through everything that you face....you put your trust and faith in him...no matter what.

Only God can be trusted......


You are missing my point of what I am asking here.


Now I can see why this thread is as messed up. NO one is understanding the other poster.
 

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Another false accusation? Nothing in what I stated claims, implies nor shows I bekieve in loss of salvation. You really need to read better and stop with these false conclusions brother.

I affirm eternal security. Always have.
This seems to show you believe salvation can be lost.

Otherwise, why say: The proponents of Free Grace Theology teach these things.
Once you are saved, no matter what you do afterwards, you're still saved.


... When you oppose what you call Free Grace Theology

I asked you about this post at the time you made it...


Are you sure you want to go there? The proponents of Free Grace Theology teach these things. Once you are saved, no matter what you do afterwards, you're still saved. Zane Hodges, Grace Evangelical Society, Chuck Swindoll, Charles Stanley are all proponents of this. There are several more big name preachers who endorse this theology that came from Dallas Theological Seminary.

Surely there are some on here who teach the same thing, yet they are not going to come out and say it directly, but it is witnessed in what they teach. There was a guy on here recently admitting he lived in adultery and was a drunkard.

One on here assured him it's OK. That is in direct opposition to what Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11; Galatians 5:19-21; Ephesians 5:5 to not be deceived because they, even as professing believers, are deceived.
 
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You were angry with God for some kind of disappointment? Would your earthly father cast you out of the family, not the house, but the family for rebellion?

So while i was being a Witch and Pagan and worshipping idols and gods, I would still go to heaven if I had died in that state of existence?
 
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Now I can see why this thread is as messed up. NO one is understanding the other poster.[/QUOTE]


biker,..I think you have a point here,sorry I missed your point.
 
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So while i was being a Witch and Pagan and worshipping idols and gods, I would still go to heaven if I had died in that state of existence?
But of course! It's OK! You can live however you want after you get saved. You didn't know that? ;)
 

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I agree, but after accepting Christ and then going and worshipping Satan, had I died while worshipping Satan, would I still gone to Heaven?

Like being Saved now and taking the Mark of the Beast, do you still go to Heaven when Revelation states you burn forever?
The scenario forgets one thing: Repentance.

Luke 13:3 King James Version (KJV)
3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
 
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Notice that - If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness (vs. 9) is IN CONTRAST TO - If we say that we have no sin, (present tense) we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us (vs. 8) and - If we say that we have not sinned, (past tense) we make him a liar, and his word is not in us (vs. 10). Believers speak the same/acknowledge/agree with God's perspective about their sins and have a settled recognition and ongoing acknowledgment that one is a sinner in need of cleansing and forgiveness.

Although believers can repent about other specific things, to repent and believe the gospel unto salvation is not a repeated act. Jesus is the door. (John 10:9) He is not a revolving door.

Chapter and verse please. Do you disagree with sealed until the redemption of the purchased possession/unto the day of redemption? (Ephesians 1:13-14; 4:30)

Strong's Concordance
sphragizó: to seal
Original Word: σφραγίζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: sphragizó
Phonetic Spelling: (sfrag-id'-zo)
Definition: to seal
Usage: I seal, set a seal upon.
HELPS Word-studies

4972 sphragízō (from 4973 /sphragís, "a seal") – properly, to seal (affix) with a signet ring or other instrument to stamp (a roller or seal), i.e. to attest ownership, authorizing (validating) what is sealed.

4972 /sphragízō ("to seal") signifies ownership and the full security carried by the backing (full authority) of the owner. "Sealing" in the ancient world served as a "legal signature" which guaranteed the promise (contents) of what was sealed.

https://biblehub.com/greek/4972.htm
None of that is what I asked. You said no true believer refuses to confess. There are believers who think all future sins are already forgiven and so confession makes no sense. They DONT confess sins the HS shows them. Would you say they are therefore not “true believers?” That was my question. How far in real life do you actually live what you say you believe?