Genesis 6:1-2 Revisited. Unredeemable

Thanks for not answering the question in #211

Where in Scripture does it say that and can you link the judged angels with the Nephi I'm in Gen 6?
Come Judgment time, will these offspring (half men/half angels) be judged as men or as angels?"

Why would I? The question is based in an incorrect aprioric theology.

Sigh, it was addressed to those holding that Gen 6 is referring to angel/men hybrids. Is that what you hold to?

I know who it was addressed to. I know why it was asked. I am simply saying it has no answer, as the question assumes the position of a false theological position by it's "if".

There are no such thing, and never will be such a thing, as "angel/men hybrids" (sic). As stated, it is a scriptural impossibility. I was not saying you taught it either by my post #212. This is why I stated to read my post more carefully. I was simply asking if any (including yourself) desired to know from scripture why the theology was false, and to ask for the evidence, and if not, I would not bother to spend time on it here for those who did not desire to consider a view point not their own.

I am not your enemy:

Luk_9:50 And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.

There are no such thing, and never will be such a thing, as "angel/men hybrids" (sic). As stated, it is a scriptural impossibility.

I was simply asking if any (including yourself) desired to know from scripture why the theology was false, and to ask for the evidence, and if not, I would not bother to spend time on it here for those who did not desire to consider a view point not their own.

I am not your enemy:

Well, there are more views on this matter than yours or mine.

Do you desire to consider a view point not your own?

Do you listen to others

or are you here to tell us what is or isn't true?

Ditto.

What is one verse that declares angels are spirit?

If Genesis claims we are made in the image of elohim (heavenly beings) why could this be such a certainty that there were no hybrids?

"spirit" (sic) is not "flesh", and "flesh" is not "spirit". The two are not the same.


Angels are not merely 'spirit', though they have 'heart'/'mind' and 'breath of life of God' (which is what spirit means in Psalms 104:4, and Hebrews 1:7,14), as it says they are 'ministering spirits', just as mankind was to be from the beginning (Hebrews 12:23).

Most people have a misunderstanding of the Bible's word "spirit". It doesn't mean an 'incorporeal shade'. That theology is spiritualism.

"Angels" (heavenly beings) are tangible beings of flesh and 'spirit' (mind/heart and breath of life of God):

Do not confuse "image" with "likeness". They are two differing things. Study this out. Secondly, only was it given to mankind of this earth to "bring forth", "multiply", have "seed", etc. This is nowhere stated of the angelic hosts, among other things. God makes the distinction in Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25, etc.

I have an entire study on angels if you desire, you may read it here - https://ia801506.us.archive.org/7/items/michael-the-archangel-03-the-word-angel-as-defined-and-used/Michael the archangel [03] - The word angel as defined and used.pdf

Angels aren't aetheral beings (one error), and neither are they capable of procreating with mankind (another error), as they are a differing "kind" of being, as different as Cat is to Fish. Both having differing flesh, and thus so too, angels (angelic hosts) and mankind.

More may be shared, as I have a deep and thorough (no stone left unturned) study on this, with every word considered in its proper uses and context in the whole of scripture.

What is one verse that declares angels are spirit? If Genesis claims we are made in the image of elohim (heavenly beings) why could this be such a certainty that there were no hybrids?

There may be many 'views', but I do not go by my, yours or others views. I simply state what scripture itself states on the matter, as its statements are all that matters.

All the time. I just recently considered the errors of Baptists:

https://www.baptistboard.com/thread...hite-sda-doctrines.116112/page-3#post-2606642

Start there, and keep reading.

I wouldn't be able to respond to you like I am, if I did not. It should be obvious that I listen to others. It doesn't mean that I agree with what is stated. I wait for others to present their positon, and judge according to scripture (KJB).

That is the Bible's function, and I simply "amen" what it says.

I know this topic has been ruminated over and over but a thought hit me the other day and I have not heard it discussed.
If it actually was angels that procreated with the daughters of men then the offspring (Nephilim?) would be unredeemable since they were half men/half angel.
Jesus didn't die for the angels. How could they be judged as men?
Comments?

...You realize I hope, there are many kinds of Baptists? ...

God is not a man (a creation) But is heavenly eternal Spirit being not seen .No one has received their new glorified bodies .

Ministering spirits of God have no literal body . When Jesus was strengthened by the father. It was the words given to him called "inspiration". They worked in his mind

It was not; Hey do one of you guys want to run a errand I have a message .?

He heard words that where put on his mind . Just like lucifer the morning star put his lies on the serpent the mouth or when he put his words on Peters mouth the spirit of error .

Again the Son of man having no power of His own was strengthened by the lord. Just as us we are strengthened in our bodies of death making the sufferings of the wage of sin death. . . less. . We have the excellency of the power of God in us but never after what the eyes, us. God did not send a separate entity he sent his Spirit as the father of all spirits

Luke 22:43 And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.

While in other places he would demonstrate orally as a witness that the lord dwelt in the corrupted fleshly body of the some of man. A creation the Son of man as a apostles a messenger sent to preach the gospel .In a hope the father would apply it to a persona new heart.

Matthew 17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him....

( Paraphrased. . .He speaks my word that I put on his lips just like the words he put on the lips of a donkey to teach us how to walk by faith (the unseen will )

His living word is spirit and life. Satan the lying spirit needs a body to spread his lies .Just as God can when he used the son of God .

I didn’t ask where God was called spirit. Nor did I ask where Christ rebuked Peter and metaphorically called him Satan. Clearly he was not possessed by Satan. Multiple occurrences have heavenly messengers as humanoid. It was never said that unclean spirits are fallen angels. However it has been speculated that these unclean spirits are the disembodied souls of hybrids. I’m not saying they are but they might be. Who knows? I’m not going to try to twist scripture to back my point. What I have stated is scripture, is scripture, and what is not, is not. Scripture says that gods (elohim) made men in their image. It also states sons of gods (elohim) “went into” the daughters of men and produced offspring; mighty men. Whether they produced hybrids like “cabits”, a cross of cat and rabbit, or genetically manipulated them and impregnated them I don’t know. The fact that everybody likes to ignore is that elohim literally means “extraterrestrial”. That’s what it means “heavenly being”, a being from the heavens. I get that Hollywood has put some thoughts in our heads about extraterrestrials but they have been written about since recorded history in every culture. Often they are depicted as humanoid and many tales about impregnating women, not just then, but now also. Just about every “abductee” has reported there are genetic experiments going on such as hybrids. I can’t validate them, but because it is also written word for word in God’s word, I can’t dismiss it either. That’s what it says.

Genesis 6 talks about the sons of God taking wives of the daughters of men. This is talking about how true believers (who are the sons of God in the Bible) took wives of non-believers (which is parable language for believers mixing beliefs and ideas and spiritual things with non-believers ideas and so forth). It means that believers became corrupted and fellowshipped spiritually with non-believers. When Genesis 6 says that there were giants in the earth in those days, keep in mind that David fought the giant Goliath. However, Goliath was not some weird hybrid of so-called angels and men. Rather, Goliath was a human and yet called a giant. It is no different in Genesis 6. The giant is a picture of those humans in the flesh who oppose the true believers, and the true believers have the Spirit of God. Incidentally, the term angel in the Bible simply means messenger. It is a term reserved for true believers who have the message of the gospel. Jesus, for example, was the archangel, meaning chief messenger. He is the angel which redeemed me from all evil mentioned in Genesis 48:16. Only Jesus is the redeemer. Also, keep in mind that the days of Noah (Genesis 6 is about the days of Noah) are said in the Bible to be like the days of the Son of Man (Luke 17:26), in other words just like more contemporary days. People's notion of angels need adjusting. When the Bible says: "And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire." in Hebrews 1:7, it doesn't mean that angels are disembodied ghost-like spirits. Rather, it means that God gives his spirit to true believers, and they are entrusted with the gospel which judges (pictured by fire in parable language). Further, Hebrews 1:14 says that angels are ministering spirits: "Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?" In other words, God gives his spirit to true believers to share the gospel, effectively ministering salvation as people believe the message.

Hi thanks for the reply.

Extraterrestrial "denotes location (occurring or originating outside the Earth) not a spirit being, Our supernatural God has no origin.

Elohim literally means “God” or “god.”

A person cannot see Elohim. Elohim our Lord and father (God) creates gods called sons "of God". Which the believers are. (1 John 3:1-2) And not sons "of man" or daughter "of men" .But again denoting the faithful Creator born "of God" not seen .

Its either "of God" not seen or "of men" as in mankind to include daughters "of men"

Those who do not have the Spirit of Christ working in the to both will and perform the god pleasure of God in them they have no faith to see past the horizon . its what you see is what you get. Out of sight out of mind. The three avenues of this world under the father of lies . Not of the Spirit of truth.

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Having the “image” or “likeness” of God means simply means that we were made to resemble God. Adam did not resemble God in the sense of God’s having flesh and blood. Scripture says that “God is Spirit” (John 4:24) and therefore exists without a body.

When those who had not faith of Christ working in them saw what they thought Paul did in Acts 14. They saw Hollywood making corrupted mankind in into god in the likeness of men

Acts 14:11 And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness "of men."

Again "of men" denotes their false hope it the same as daughter "of men" or "of Mankind." Not born "of God" kind .
Jesus said marvel not. Mankind must be born "of God"

He did not metaphorical call Peter, Satan . He addressed the actual spirit of lies the god of this world who was rebuking Jesus, the spirit of error who was working in Peter to both will and empower him as a lying sign .

Again the spirit of error (antichrist) was addressed, not Peter. He was used as one of the many antichrists.

The Lord not seen simply put his words on the lips of Jesus, the apostle prophet. Just like he put his words of power on the apostle Paul in Acts 14 .. The lord rebuked Satan .Informing that spirit lo lies to get behind our unseen God .Not Peter seen

He forgave Peter of his blasphemy again and again . That window of forgiveness ended when the Son of God disappeared. Never to return in the flesh forevermore .The one time demonstration of the father and the Son was finished.

Here ya go. I copy and pasted from another Nephilim thread.


Once in a while this comes up and I like to give a complete picture. We will not understand, or we will have to explain away through allegory and other means huge chunks of Scripture if we don't get this right. I no longer believe this is merely a hobby horse issue.

If garden variety sin (murder, adultery, hatred, blasphemy, etc...) was the cause of the Great Flood, then we better ALL start building an Ark! ( Actually, Jesus IS our Ark, and we are safe in Him today).

No. There was a specific sin, one that is close to or IS being duplicated today, that caused God to destroy the ancient World with a Flood, and will cause Him to destroy the World again through judgement, culminating with fire.

That sin was corrupting HIS creation. The Bible says ALL flesh had become corrupted.

Genesis 6:11-12 New King James Version (NKJV)
11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. 12 So God looked upon the earth, and indeed it was corrupt; for ALL flesh had corrupted their way on the earth.

God holds out ONLY Noah and his family, and I believe the animals that were on the Ark, as having incorrupted genes.

Genesis 6:9 New King James Version (NKJV)
Noah Pleases God
9 This is the genealogy of Noah. Noah was a just man, perfect in his generations. Noah walked with God.

Where do you think we get the word "genes" from? GENEology and GENErations.


So now we get to how this gene corruption happened. Well, Genesis 6:1-4 tells us it was when the Sons of God mated with the daughters of men. I believe they also corrupted the animals in some way. Similar to how we are mixing animal DNA today. Even with humans.

Understand there is ZERO corroborating Scripture to support the Sethite or Kings idea that they were the Beni-Elohim. In fact, NO human was a Son of God, except pre fall Adam, UNTIL Jesus Christ died, rose again, and WE became sons of God when we were born again, a NEW creation, from above.

Sons of God always refers to a Being made by God Himself. It is true that all are creations of God. But you are not a Child of God until you are born again.

Everyone born of Adam, INCLUDING SETH, was born in Adam's fallen state, likeness, or image, NOT GOD'S! Very important point:
Genesis 5:3 New King James Version (NKJV)
3 And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth.

While we may PHYSICALLY all be born in the likeness of God, we are SPIRITUALLY born in the likeness of FALLEN Adam. That's why Jesus had to come in the 1st place.

So how could the Sons of God be children of Seth or kings? They can't

Now the fallen angels.....
One of the most used points in saying the nephilim weren't the progeny of fallen angels and human women is the idea that angels can't have sex. And the main Scripture to support that idea is:
Matthew 22:30 New King James Version (NKJV)
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven.

This verse actually SUPPORTS the fallen angel mating view. Notice the last two words in that verse. IN HEAVEN.
It is precisely for this reason that they are held in Tartarus RIGHT NOW.

2 Peter 2:4 New King James Version (NKJV)
4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell (Tartarus) and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment;

So what is the sin they committed?
Jude 6-7 New King James Version (NKJV)
6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; 7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Jude is relating the SEXUAL sin of Sodom and Gomorrah to a SEXUAL sin the fallen angels committed. The word "abode" or "habitation" in verse 6 (oiketerion) is used in only one other place in Scripture, and refers to the glorified Heavenly body we will receive upon our resurrection:
2 Corinthians 5:2 New King James Version (NKJV)
2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our habitation (oiketerion) which is from heaven,

These angels LEFT their heavenly bodies, and mated with human women, likely BECAUSE they were not allowed to procreate IN HEAVEN. That is the reason they are in Chains awaiting final judgement right now.

So, what about their offspring, the Nephilim? Have to tackle that later. Off now to Church....

Elohim is plural. El is god. Elohim means gods. When it’s written “Lord God” in Genesis translates to Jehovah elohim, or Self-Existent God of gods. That’s what it means.