Calvinist Kitchen...stirring the pot

It's worse than that Soggy. Calvin did not even invent the 5 points or 'tulip' as it is often referred to. So actually, people are following the Synod of Dort. That particular event occurred in response to one Jacobus Arminius. Some in this following were against certain points of Calvin's, but they did not know nuthin bout no tulips and may never have been to Holland.

disclaimer: not arguing against Calvinism, the good people here can make up their own minds

not arguing for Mr Arminius cause I can't squeeze the whole truth and nothing but the truth out of him either

Calvin did not even invent the 5 points or 'tulip' as it is often referred to. So actually, people are following the Synod of Dort.

I'm going to look up Synod of Dort .
Thanks.

I'm going to look up Synod of Dort .
Thanks.

I don't see myself taking a course in TULIP 101 anytime soon. Sorry about that too.

Some are offended by the idea that God chose us. I am not, and I know if He didn’t “quicken” me, I would never have been saved: It is not just that passage that speaks of Him choosing us:

1 Peter 2:9
Verse Concepts
But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;
Ephesians 1:4-5
just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will,
John 6:44
Verse Concepts
No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.
Romans 8:28
Verse Concepts
And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose.
Ephesians 2:10
Verse Concepts
For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

Ephesians 1:11
Verse Concepts
also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will,
Romans 8:29
Verse Concepts
For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren;
Romans 8:30
Verse Concepts
and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.
John 15:16
Verse Concepts
You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you.

I found information.
This is going to take longer to read and study than I thought. I wanted to share this meanwhile. I found it at this site. https://www.crcna.org/welcome/beliefs/confessions/canons-dort

The Synod of Dort was held in order to settle a serious controversy in the Dutch churches initiated by the rise of Arminianism. Jacob Arminius, a theological professor at Leiden University, questioned the teaching of Calvin and his followers on a number of important points. After Arminius’s death, his own followers presented their views on five of these points in the Remonstrance of 1610. In this document and in later more explicit writings, the Arminians taught election based on foreseen faith, the universal application of Christ’s atonement available to all who freely choose to accept it, limited human depravity, the resistibility of God’s grace, and the possibility of a fall from salvation. In the Canons the Synod of Dort rejected these views and set forth the Reformed teaching on these points with the purpose of offering a deeper assurance of salvation to believers in accordance with the teaching of the Scriptures.
The Canons are thus unique among the Reformed confessions because of their original purpose as a judicial decision on the doctrinal points in dispute during the Arminian controversy. The original preface called them a “judgment, in which both the true view, agreeing with God’s Word, concerning the aforesaid five points of doctrine, is explained, and the false view, disagreeing with God’s Word, is rejected.” The Canons also have a narrower scope than the Belgic Confession and the Heidelberg Catechism in that they do not cover the whole range of doctrine but focus on the five points of doctrine in dispute.

Now I have to look up the Belgic Confession and Heidelberg Catechism.

Glad I made the edit timeline. I just want to say, did Jesus want it to be this involved?You know, to hold faith in his message? Lots to read now after talking to you,lenna.

OK, how about Scripture in Context 101 for starters?

Does the Bible not say to choose life? If we have no choice, is that untrue?

Joshua said "As for me and my house, we will serve the LORD" If he had no choice how could he say that?

If we have no choice, is God just?

Ouch! Got me again.

Hi @eternally-gratefull ...
But did God not first by His grace , give us the gift of faith to believe in His Son our Lord and Savior ?
...xox...

I like to read lots myself. Never know what you might find. I think most non-Calvinists believe he did invent the 'tulip' method of biblical understanding

So, we can begin there?

Also, can you tell me what you think Irresistible Grace teaches? You made some conclusions on the doctrine so this is why I ask.

I like to read lots myself. Never know what you might find. I think most non-Calvinists believe he did invent the 'tulip' method of biblical understanding

This seems to be your battle-cry. Nothing in the Bible pertains to you.

Then you can start a Dort thread and tell us all about it.

That salutation doesn't invite a discussion now does it? You're totally unshakable in what you perceive are these truths.
What's your real point?

Sure. Calvinism teaches trash from the pit of Hell.

Sure. Calvinism teaches trash from the pit of Hell.