Irresistible Grace ?
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tbh I do not know for sure about if one has to always be drawn to him to be saved or not, that is how it was for me I didn't even bother seeking him until I felt the pull inside I honestly was not interested in God.
For others it seems they can be raised in a church home but do all the right things yet never feel that pull something I think does have to make us want to seek him whether that is curiosity the tugging or sometimes near death experiences but this is not limited to anything it seems I have heard of a guy who loved to watch the sunset and it was the light and beauty of the sunset that he was saved.
BBut the thing is the way the word draw is used in this particular context is always around Jesus speaking of raising on the last day him being lifted from earth and dawring the word drawing doesn't always mean an inner tug it seems to me and this may be an unpopular opinion that these verses seem to be speaking more of the event that shall not be named on this forum a lot of words are used implying raising being lifted up or in this case drawn up
For others it seems they can be raised in a church home but do all the right things yet never feel that pull something I think does have to make us want to seek him whether that is curiosity the tugging or sometimes near death experiences but this is not limited to anything it seems I have heard of a guy who loved to watch the sunset and it was the light and beauty of the sunset that he was saved.
BBut the thing is the way the word draw is used in this particular context is always around Jesus speaking of raising on the last day him being lifted from earth and dawring the word drawing doesn't always mean an inner tug it seems to me and this may be an unpopular opinion that these verses seem to be speaking more of the event that shall not be named on this forum a lot of words are used implying raising being lifted up or in this case drawn up
Thats great. but the word DRAWN definately has that connotation of being forceful. DRAGGING A FISH. Thats the word.
Everyone is missing the part where Jesus says ALL who are DRAWN will also COME. Its not like you can say NO to the drawing, once drawn you WILL come and you WILL be raised up at the last day.
Everyone is missing the part where Jesus says ALL who are DRAWN will also COME. Its not like you can say NO to the drawing, once drawn you WILL come and you WILL be raised up at the last day.
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Of course. All unregenerate men will say no.
The system comes from Ephesians 2:8 where faith is a gift. And other verses too, actually. that say the same thing!
Eternal security is Calvinism, it came from that BRANCH. Security of the believer is only possible if salvation is of the LORD and not up to man's will. That is why GOD saves AND sanctifies. Thats where both groups get it wrong. You got the lawless easybelievism crowd, and you got the legalist arminian side BOTH in error failing to reconcile all of SCripture together. Where both sides hold some truth, but the answer lies in JESUS doing it.
The system comes from Ephesians 2:8 where faith is a gift. And other verses too, actually. that say the same thing!
Eternal security is Calvinism, it came from that BRANCH. Security of the believer is only possible if salvation is of the LORD and not up to man's will. That is why GOD saves AND sanctifies. Thats where both groups get it wrong. You got the lawless easybelievism crowd, and you got the legalist arminian side BOTH in error failing to reconcile all of SCripture together. Where both sides hold some truth, but the answer lies in JESUS doing it.
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