When are we saved ?

Gods foreknowledge and predestination reassures us that God cannot Fail.. God knew from the beginning of creation the entire future of His universe creation in PERFECT clarity.. He knew how it was going to all turn out from the very start.. Down to the detail of knowing every human being that would ever live, knowing all the thoughts they would ever think.. I believe God knew when every blade of grass would grow and how tall every blade of grass would grow and how many atoms each individuel blade of grass would be composed of..

Prophecy of God can be trusted because God has foreseen Everything.. So Every Christian should be 100% confident that absolutely no evil cunning scheme from satan or his allies will ever stand in the way of Gods eternal plan.. God is like a chess player who has seen all the moves of a game before He starts the game.. satan has NO chance and was defeated before he came into existence..

I am 100% confident that God wins.. And that reinforces my Faith in the LORD beyond measure..

Colossians. 2

12Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Notice its THROUGH FAITH
No I think your mixing up Gods knowledge with determination. God gave Adam dominion. We have the choice . We are ONLY known as a Son after regeneration. Until then we are lost and without hope ,without God . Ephesians 2 .
11¶Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
What your sharing is a paradigm .

Nothing is ' secured ' for anyone in the sense being predestined to the redemption of the body until the atonement is received.

Knowledge is not causative . You have predestination backwards. After we become a son through the new birth we are then predestined to the redemption of the body . Only in him .Its about Jesus and being in him . Only in him do we have anything or can we be anything. its not about us and a gnostic election .

You're either not comprehending my posts. Or your just being difficult. It could be that you're understanding is being blocked/ blinded,, I hope for you that this is not the case.. I said before maybe twice before in this thread.. I am not a calvinist.. But the Word of God must be accepted in it's entirety and therefore God does foreknow all who will be conformed to the image of His Son..

I do not believe God forces one person to be saved and forces another to be damned.. I believe God simply foreknows who will accept the moving of the Holy Spirit and be saved and who will resist the Holy Spirit and be damned..

Correct me if I am wrong, so what you are saying is that predestination for service and not salvation and that to be predestine to receive something until the redemption of our 'body'? Thanks

Trying to understand time from God's point of view will be tough for us, its like asking a fish to describe water.

God is outside time, so its possible for him to know what we will do beforehand, and simultaneously still gives us free will to decide there and then, in the present.

We won't understand how this work fully, until heaven.

You're either not comprehending my posts. Or your just being difficult. It could be that you're understanding is being blocked/ blinded,, I hope for you that this is not the case.. I said before maybe twice before in this thread.. I am not a calvinist.. But the Word of God must be accepted in it's entirety and therefore God does foreknow all who will be conformed to the image of His Son..

I do not believe God forces one person to be saved and forces another to be damned.. I believe God simply foreknows who will accept the moving of the Holy Spirit and be saved and who will resist the Holy Spirit and be damned..

Gods foreknowledge and predestination reassures us that God cannot Fail.. God knew from the beginning of creation the entire future of His universe creation in PERFECT clarity.. He knew how it was going to all turn out from the very start.. Down to the detail of knowing every human being that would ever live, knowing all the thoughts they would ever think.. I believe God knew when every blade of grass would grow and how tall every blade of grass would grow and how many atoms each individuel blade of grass would be composed of..

Prophecy of God can be trusted because God has foreseen Everything.. So Every Christian should be 100% confident that absolutely no evil cunning scheme from satan or his allies will ever stand in the way of Gods eternal plan.. God is like a chess player who has seen all the moves of a game before He starts the game.. satan has NO chance and was defeated before he came into existence..

I am 100% confident that God wins.. And that reinforces my Faith in the LORD beyond measure..

Predestination is of existing saints to adoption/glorification, not sinners to conversion. (Eph. 1:5, 11; Rom. 8:23, 29-30)

Election is to service, calling and purpose, not to salvation. (Isa. 42:1; Acts 9:15; Rom. 11:28)

Adoption is the future redemption of the body, not conversion. (Rom. 8:23, 15-17; Gal. 4:1-6)

Sinners become sons of God through the new birth, not through adoption. (John 1:12-13)

“Foreknow” is being known by God in the sense of Gal. 4:9 after conversion and before glorification as if already glorified. It does not refer to any time prior to conversion. (Gal. 4:8-9; Rom. 8:29-30; 1 Pet. 1:2)

Nobody was “in Christ” before the foundation of the world. Nobody was “in Christ” before they were placed in Christ during their lifetime. (Eph. 1:4; 2:12; Rom. 12:5; 6:3: 16:7; 1 Cor. 12:13, 27)

God does foreknow all who will be conformed to the image of His Son..Yes being Conformed only happens at Glorification not at conversion. You've got this concept ( from a famous 4th century theologian) of us being ' chosen ' to be saved before we born . .

I NEVER said that.. This confirms to me that you have not been paying attention to what i have been saying...

I said it 2 times at lest now and you are not listening .. Here is a third time.. I am NOT a calvinist..

I don't know any 4th centruy theologians i obtained my beliefs from reading the Bible..

Trying to understand time from God's point of view will be tough for us, its like asking a fish to describe water.

God is outside time, so its possible for him to know what we will do beforehand, and simultaneously still gives us free will to decide there and then, in the present.

We won't understand how this work fully, until heaven.

its also the point of the thread ' when are we saved ' Some will almost imply that its when Jesus was on the cross . Or when they were ' elected ' ect

I NEVER said that.. This confirms to me that you have not been paying attention to what i have been saying...

I said it 2 times at lest now and you are not listening .. Here is a third time.. I am NOT a calvinist..

I don't know any 4th centruy theologians i obtained my beliefs from reading the Bible..

this op is a masterpiece of confusing salvation with what happens after salvation

good to see people are not falling for it

Both are just expressing the different ways of understanding how time flows.

For us living in time, we have a past, present and future. We live time moving forward.

For God who is living outside time, I can imagine he sees our past, present and future simultaneously right in front of him.

Since he can see our future, he can elect us based on that knowledge.

That and trying to think everyone got their belief system from Calvinistic teachings whether they know it or not.

right

too funny but also sad