When are we saved ?
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Well fortunately for us we are not responsible for other peoples beliefs.. They are.. All we can do is share the Gospel and give warning to others that false doctrines are being pushed here.. Each person is responsbile for what they reject and what they embrace in regards to the Word of God..
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I quote his first two denials..
How much clearer can the rejection of the saving Atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ be?
Salvation by the Atoneing sacrafice of the LORD Jesus, the Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world..
Isaiah 53: KJV
7 "He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. {8} He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. {9} And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. {10} ¶ Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. {11} He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities."
How much clearer can the rejection of the saving Atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ be?
Salvation by the Atoneing sacrafice of the LORD Jesus, the Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world..
Isaiah 53: KJV
7 "He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. {8} He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. {9} And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. {10} ¶ Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. {11} He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities."
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Yes He foreknew all the people who would believe in Him before they where born.. How many more ways can i say the same thing?
As for the process of being saved. The Lord moves people through the conviction of the Holy Spirit and they either respond to the conviction of the Holy Spirit by embracing the Gospel truth or they resist the moving of the Holy Spirit and reject the Way He has made for them to be saved.
As for the process of being saved. The Lord moves people through the conviction of the Holy Spirit and they either respond to the conviction of the Holy Spirit by embracing the Gospel truth or they resist the moving of the Holy Spirit and reject the Way He has made for them to be saved.
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In the eyes of God it is secure,, For those who He foreknows will embrace His Way of salvation and persist in it till the end of their lives.. Thats why He can predestine them to be conformed to the image of his son.. We shall look like Jesus as revealed in the Book of Revelation Chapter 1 when we are transformed into our eternal soul..
Romans 8: KJV
29 "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren."
Revelation 1: KJV
12 "And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; {13} And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. {14} His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; {15} And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters."
Romans 8: KJV
29 "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren."
Revelation 1: KJV
12 "And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; {13} And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. {14} His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; {15} And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters."
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Colossians. 2
12Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Notice its THROUGH FAITH No I think your mixing up Gods knowledge with determination. God gave Adam dominion. We have the choice . We are ONLY known as a Son after regeneration. Until then we are lost and without hope ,without God . Ephesians 2 .
11¶Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
What your sharing is a paradigm .
12Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Notice its THROUGH FAITH No I think your mixing up Gods knowledge with determination. God gave Adam dominion. We have the choice . We are ONLY known as a Son after regeneration. Until then we are lost and without hope ,without God . Ephesians 2 .
11¶Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
What your sharing is a paradigm .
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Gods foreknowledge and predestination reassures us that God cannot Fail.. God knew from the beginning of creation the entire future of His universe creation in PERFECT clarity.. He knew how it was going to all turn out from the very start.. Down to the detail of knowing every human being that would ever live, knowing all the thoughts they would ever think.. I believe God knew when every blade of grass would grow and how tall every blade of grass would grow and how many atoms each individuel blade of grass would be composed of..
Prophecy of God can be trusted because God has foreseen Everything.. So Every Christian should be 100% confident that absolutely no evil cunning scheme from satan or his allies will ever stand in the way of Gods eternal plan.. God is like a chess player who has seen all the moves of a game before He starts the game.. satan has NO chance and was defeated before he came into existence..
I am 100% confident that God wins.. And that reinforces my Faith in the LORD beyond measure..
Prophecy of God can be trusted because God has foreseen Everything.. So Every Christian should be 100% confident that absolutely no evil cunning scheme from satan or his allies will ever stand in the way of Gods eternal plan.. God is like a chess player who has seen all the moves of a game before He starts the game.. satan has NO chance and was defeated before he came into existence..
I am 100% confident that God wins.. And that reinforces my Faith in the LORD beyond measure..
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