When are we saved ?

word salad

In some versions of the bible men have changed the wording to take away the power of the Godhead by interpreting scriptures to fit their personal beliefs. It makes a person wonder if they are democrats trying to strip anything pertaining to God out of the scriptures. Just kidding! Just kidding!.

You have captured it exactly.

Regenerated children of God have faith in the gospel that has been revealed to them by the Holy Spirit. That faith can contribute to the experience of being delivered from a lack of knowledge of the gospel. That faith is not responsible for their eternal deliverance.

You don’t add any value to Christ’s work. You just receive the blessings of it through faith.

Let’s take you at your word that you hold to a false dichotomy of either unconditional election or no election at all. Rather sad.

Yes, it is His work that has value to save. Our faith merely receives it. Faith has no salvific power outside the work of Christ. That’s why it’s saved BY Grace THROUGH faith. That’s why salvation is not of ourselves, it is the gift of God, and that removes ground for boasting.

Only Christ’s work has intrinsic value and is intrinsically excellent.

Word salad? Lol

Peter’s a Calvinist?!! I guess I better switch to Calvinism.

You never read “ elect according to the foreknowledge of God” IN THE BIBLE

Ok, I guess you haven’t read that far yet. That’s ok. Try 1 Peter 1:1-2.

And I never said two spirits of God. You must be sleepy or something.

Yes, I guess the apostle Peter and I are Calvinists. She thought “ elect according to foreknowledge was Calvinistic? Try
1 Peter 2:1-2.

Correction. 1 Peter 1:1-2

Elect or chosen according to foreknowledge is not Calvinistic, it’s Petrine. You two might want to get your facts straight before you label someone

And it wasn’t me who said two spirits of God.

I agreed. That's the formula.
No Word from GOD will ever fail (Luke 1:37)."

You think I am back and forth because you operate under a false dichotomy. Only you and Eleventh have accused me of this, because you both have the same underlying belief system that uses false dichotomy.

Oh, throughfaith thinks I’m back and forth because He thinks election is after calling and adoption doesn’t happen till the resurrection

But at least he’s civil and doesn’t wrongly label people once they tell him what they’re not!

Either unconditional election

Or

No election.

False dichotomy

Elect according to foreknowledge doesn’t necessarily hold to either of these because there is more than one position on that BIBLICAL phrase

But you have not even come to that verse yet?

Eternally was right about you both. You assume people are Calvinists because they use words like election, foreknowledge, predestination, etc.

So you think Abraham was justified outside of Christ because Christ was not yet born? Don’t you know that Christ is the Saviour of OT believers too?

You tell me to go study, but you don’t understand foreknowledge? Or that Christ’s work was applied to OT saints too?! Or that salvation has always been through Christ?

What does Christ wasn’t born yet have to do with ANYTHING?

Jesus is the Word of God and John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word and Word was with God and Word was God so yes Jesus was in the Old Testament times.

What does the word believe mean?

He is also the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

I didn't say it has value. Its the prerequisite. Rom 5
¶Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
2By whom also we have access by
I think this is a useful video on the word occurrence on 'election '.

I'm glad you realize that faith has no intrinsic value BY OR OF ITSELF. I suspected that there were those present who think that faith DOES have intrinsic value OF OR BY ITSELF, which is why I posted that. And the fact that people are pushing back against that post seems to confirm it.

I do believe faith is a necessary condition for salvation, as I have stated.

As far as the video, I bet the maker of the video believes the same thing I do about election. I will demonstrate it once I confirm it. In a very short time of listening to it already, I heard some indicators that he does hold a similar position to mine. Ill get back to you on that.

Conviction that something is true and trust are two aspects of belief