When are we saved ?

I agree. It also seems like some terms (such as election) come under scrutiny and are defined in various ways by different camps, and that leads to disagreements also.

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Neither do we boast beyond our limits in the labors of others. But we hope that as your faith increases, our area of influence among you will greatly increase as well, 2 Corinthians 10:15 affirms that faith grows over time. Also 2 Peter 3:18affirms growth ~ But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.

Isaiah 28:9-10, Whom shall he teach knowledge? and to whom shall he make to understand doctrine? Them that are weaned from the breast, and drawn from the breasts, For precept is upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, and there a little.

A new born babe in Christ has to grow into maturity, the same way that a newborn natural baby does. The newborn babes in Christ experience a deliverance (salvation), not eternal, but here in this world, when they come unto a knowledge of God's righteousness,

you say ///That's just it! people do not become children of God, by faith in Christ./// the bible says different in John 1.12 ? It kinda works like this example . I say to my child. " if you tidy your room ,I will take you to the park " . The prerequisite is ' tidy your room ' Now the tidying of the room ' does not ' cause ' them to go to the park ' . I take them to the park. Even better . All God requires from us ,is that we believe on his Son . Then God saves us . The believing does not ' cause ' the regeneration. God regenerates after we believe. Believing is the prerequisite That pleases God.

I've no idea what your saying here ?

And you are affirming that John 1:12 harmonizes with 1 Cor 2:14. Shame. Shame. We have already talked about this. There is the unbelieving regenerated child of God, and there is the believing regenerated son of God. Verse 13 tells us who it is that believes, and it is those which were (past tense) born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man (the natural man), but of God.

Of course you don't. Reference; Luke 10:21 Rom 10:1-4

What on earth is unbelieving regenerated child of God ? What does he not believe?

Thats exactly what the Jehovah's_Witnesses say " oh we know the ' ones ' Jehovah has sent to us , we look out for the ' sheep like ones '

Do we recieve eternal life now or when we are glorified?

Do we recieve eternal life now or when we are glorified?

Do we recieve eternal life now or when we are glorified?

you say ///That's just it! people do not become children of God, by faith in Christ./// the bible says different in John 1.12 ? It kinda works like this example . I say to my child. " if you tidy your room ,I will take you to the park " . The prerequisite is ' tidy your room ' Now the tidying of the room ' does not ' cause ' them to go to the park ' . I take them to the park. Even better . All God requires from us ,is that we believe on his Son . Then God saves us . The believing does not ' cause ' the regeneration. God regenerates after we believe. Believing is the prerequisite That pleases God.

What on earth is unbelieving regenerated child of God ? What does he not believe?

In the things of the Spirit, all of the things of the Spirit.

In the things of the Spirit, all of the things of the Spirit.

Do we recieve eternal life now or when we are glorified?