Are The Virgin 144,000 Part Of The Church, Saved Christians?

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Truth7t7

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#1
The 144,000 are the remnant Jews that have received Jesus Christ (Redeemed) and have been (Added) to the Church present on earth (Christians), they are preaching the (Everlasting Gospel) in the death, burial, resurrection, and salvation in Jesus Christ.

Colossians 1:14KJV
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

Revelation 14:4-7KJV
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.
6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
 
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The 144,000 are the remnant Jews that have received Jesus Christ (Redeemed) and have been (Added) to the Church present on earth (Christians), they are preaching the (Everlasting Gospel) in the death, burial, resurrection, and salvation in Jesus Christ.

Colossians 1:14KJV
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

Revelation 14:4-7KJV
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.
6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
There is ground to think, at first, that the Company of 144,000 of Revelation 7 is the same Company as found in Chapter 14. But on close examination they are completely different. Let us first examine what is similar, and then what is different.

SIMILAR
The most telling similarity is the number 144,000. All indications lead us to believe that this is a REPRESENTATIVE number. The first reason is that Dan is missing for the twelve Tribes. The second is that if we interpret scripture with scripture, in all Old Testament reports, the number of Israelites was never a round number. 144 is a multiple of 12 - the number of God's People. In both Testaments God chose 12 - 12 Tribes and 12 Apostles.
The other similarity is that they are a REMNANT. Israel's number is "as the sand of the sea shore". Those of Chapter 7 and 14 are not the COMPLETE number. In the wilderness Israel numbered 2 million and today they number about 14.7 million,. So whoever they are, they are a Remnant. But this fact does not help in NAMING who they are because in the letters to the seven Churches God is looking for a REMNANT - the Overcomers.

DIFFERENT
The differences are severe
  1. Those of 7 stand on the earth - those of 14 are in heaven (the setting is the same as Chapter 4)
  2. Those of 7 are sealed in their foreheads - those of 14 have the Father's Name in their foreheads
  3. The seal is to protect those of 7 on earth (Rev.9:4) - those of 14 miss what is happening on earth
  4. Those of 7 are on earth - those in 14 are "redeemed from the earth"
  5. Those of 7 are Israelites - those of 14 are "redeemed from among men"
  6. Those of 7 do not sing - those of 14 sing
  7. Israel is called a whore for her idolatry - those of 14 are "virgins"
  8. Israel was defiled by idolatry - those of 14 are "NOT defiled with women
  9. Israel rejected the Lamb and killed Him - those of 14 "follow the Lamb wherever He goes"
  10. Israel blasphemed and lied - those of 14 have no guile in their mouths
  11. Israel iniquities are like scarlet - those of 14 are "without fault"
That they are two different Companies, but both attached to God, is obvious. But who are they?

Israel of Chapter 7
Those of Chapter 7 are already defined. They are Israelites. Why are they sealed? Revelation 9:4 tells. They will pass through the great Tribulation but the seal causes the makers of the catastrophes on earth to pass them over, just as God's faithful were protected by a seal in Jeremiah's time when Jerusalem was given over to the Chaldeans (Ezek.9:4-6). Dan is missing. The reason is not given, but his omission is a further proof that these 144,000 are literal Israelites from a literal Israel. But why are they preserved?

God, in Deuteronomy 28, outlines all the blessing for Israel if they keep the Law, and all the curses if they break it. At the beginning of Chapter 30, God knew that the curses would come upon Israel. The final and most serious was that they would be deported, dispersed among all nations and ruled by foreign kings. In verse 1-5 God outlines the requirements for this diaspora to be REVERSED. The requirement for Israel to be restored to favor with God and restored to their Land was to return to "that which Moses expounded THAT DAY". And THAT DAY, Moses was expounding the Law. God knew that (i) Israel would completely break the Law, and (ii) not believe in their Messiah as revealed in Deuteronomy 18:16-19. So God sets forth the requirement that Israel RETURN WITH THEIR WHOLE HEARTS TO THE LAW OF MOSES - THE CONTENTS OF THE COVENANT OF SINAI.

In Romans 9 and 11, this restoration of Israel is the context. Israel's last great crisis was when Jezebel provoked Israel to full give themselves over to her gods. God's man was Elijah. Elijah is famous because he "was jealous over God Covenant". Elijah complained that he was the only man jealous for God's Covenant. But God said that He had reserved 7,000 more like Elijah - a REMNANT of all Israel. God knew that Israel would embrace the Beast. At His trial Israel called for "Caesar" - a Gentile king. So God is prepared, just like Sodom, to save the WHOLE if a REMNANT fulfill the requirements. The REMNANT of Israel who turn back to the Law are the 144,000 of Revelation Chapter 7. They are God's people (12X12), they stay on earth, they are from the 12 tribes (less Dan), and like in Ezekiel, they are MARKED so that the catastrophes that overtake earth do not kill them (Rev.9:4). They turn back to the Law with all their hearts and must LIVE, or God will lose His requirement for restoring Israel. There is NO INDICATION that they turn to Jesus. And turning to Jesus is NOT a requirement for Israel to be restored.

The Overcomers of Revelation 14
From all the Parables, from the gospels and from the letters of the New Testament, it is abundantly clear that not all Christians are equally diligent. If these Parables, statements by Jesus and the threats of the letters are carefully read, it seems that the BULK of Christianity will become APOSTATE. Of SEVEN Churches in Revelation, only TWO are commended. From the letters of Paul and Peter, it is clear that Christians all over has massive problems with holiness. So God, in His wisdom, sets forth REWARDS for the diligent Christians. For ALL Christians, the grand reward is (i) to be named co-heir and co-king with Christ in the first 1,000 years of His Kingdom, when He sets it up on earth, and (ii) to be allowed into the Wedding Feast of Christ at His second coming. But the question remains, what will happen to the LIVING Christians when the Beast takes power over the whole earth and the wrath of God is spewed out over ALL THE EARTH.

In three scriptures, the Holy Spirit PLAINLY says that the DILIGENT and INTIMATE Christians will be Raptured OFF the earth to Christ's PRESENCE in the clouds. They are;
  1. Philippians 3:10-14 where it says that there is a special resurrection that must be ATTAINED to, and an "UPWARD CALL" (lit. Gk.) that is a PRIZE, if you have (i) given up all things to gain Christ, (ii) a righteousness, and (iii) an intimacy with Christ
  2. Luke 21:36 where the context is the Second Coming of Christ and the trials that will come upon the earth. Verse 36 says that SOME will be ACCOUNTED WORTHY to miss this travail of the earth and "STAND BEFORE THE SON OF MAN". Since Matthew 24:29-30 shows that Jesus only returns to earth AFTER the Tribulation, to miss the Tribulation and "stand before" the Son of man" means you will be in heaven or the air with clouds - because that is where Jesus is at that time.
  3. Revelation 3:10 where the context is Overcomers who have kept themselves during our Lords delay in returning. Our Lord says; "BECAUSE you have done this, I will keep you from the HOUR of trial on the whole earth". The word "BECAUSE" is CONDITIONAL. That is, "as a reward for this, I will do that." Now, the grammar does NOT SAY; "kept IN the trial". It says "kept FROM THE HOUR of trial". This has TWO IMPLICATIONS. (i) "FROM" means "AWAY FROM" implying a distance from the trial, and (ii) "THE HOUR" means that for the DURATION of the trial you are missing. Now, in the creation, a man can only be in ONE of THREE places. Either he is (i) on earth, (ii) or he is dead and under the earth in Hades, (iii) or he is alive and in the sky or heaven. Since we talk of the LIVING, there is only one place that a man who is missing from the earth and missing for the duration of the trial, can be. That is UP IN THE SKY OR LOWER HEAVEN.
I you look at the qualities of those in Revelation 14:1-5 you will immediately see that (i) they are Sons of God because He is their FATHER, (ii) that they are in morally sound condition, (iii) that they have been redeemed from among men, and that (iv) they have been "redeemed FROM THE EARTH."

The evidence is conclusive. Those of Revelation 14 are God's people (12X12), they have God as their Father (born again), are redeemed, are in a state of holiness, belong to the Lamb and are above the earth. The 144,000 of Revelation Chapter 14 are the Overcomers of the Church.
 

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There is ground to think, at first, that the Company of 144,000 of Revelation 7 is the same Company as found in Chapter 14. But on close examination they are completely different.
Your Claim Is False

The 144,000 in Revelation 7 are the exact same sealed redeemed Church as seen in Revelation 14 below, same sealed name of God as seen in Rev 22:4

Revelation 7:2-3KJV
2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Revelation 14:1KJV
And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

All Believers Maintain Gods Name In Their Forehead, As Seen In The Eternal Kingdom Below.

Revelation 22:1-5KJV
1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
 

Nehemiah6

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The 144,000 in Revelation 7 are the exact same sealed redeemed Church as seen in Revelation 14 below...
Correct. But they are DISTINCT from the Church in chapter 7. The very fact that each tribe is named specifically should be enough.
 

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There is ground to think, at first, that the Company of 144,000 of Revelation 7 is the same Company as found in Chapter 14.
You are clearly mistaken.
 

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The 144,000 are Jewish men that are virgins who are going to sing a new song.
 
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The 144,000 are the remnant Jews that have received Jesus Christ (Redeemed) and have been (Added) to the Church present on earth (Christians), they are preaching the (Everlasting Gospel) in the death, burial, resurrection, and salvation in Jesus Christ.

Colossians 1:14KJV
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

Revelation 14:4-7KJV
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.
6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
For the last time Israel is not added to the church. The church is not Israel.
 
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What is the interpretation of them being virgins and not being defiled by women?
 

Truth7t7

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Correct. But they are DISTINCT from the Church in chapter 7. The very fact that each tribe is named specifically should be enough.
The 144,000 are saved Christian's, redeemed by the blood upon Calvary, preaching the everlasting gospel on the earth, in the death, burial, resurrection, and salvation in Jesus Christ.

The 144,000 are members of the (Church) on earth, where there is neither Jew Nor Greek.
 

Truth7t7

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The 144,000 are Jewish men that are virgins who are going to sing a new song.
The 144,000 are Christian Jewish men that have been saved and redeemed by the blood upon Calvary, and added to the Church upon earth.
 

Truth7t7

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For the last time Israel is not added to the church. The church is not Israel.
For The Last Time, The 144,000 Are Redeemed By The Blood Of Jesus Christ On Calvary, They Are Followers Of The Lamb Jesus Christ, They Are Christian's, They Are Preaching The Everlasting Gospel, They Are Part Of The Church On Earth.

The 144,000 are the remnant Jews that have received Jesus Christ (Redeemed) and have been (Added) to the Church present on earth (Christians), they are preaching the (Everlasting Gospel) in the death, burial, resurrection, and salvation in Jesus Christ.

Colossians 1:14KJV
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

Revelation 14:4-7KJV
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.
6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
 
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Scribe

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I tell my wife the same thing (y)
What does she tell you? I seriously want to know the answer. Some say it is symbolic. But then does that mean they aren't really virigins? If they aren't really virgins that could mean they aren't really Jews.
 

Truth7t7

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What does she tell you? I seriously want to know the answer. Some say it is symbolic. But then does that mean they aren't really virigins? If they aren't really virgins that could mean they aren't really Jews.
You missed it scribe :)

She has defiled me, and I'm the virgin (y)
 
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Your Claim Is False

The 144,000 in Revelation 7 are the exact same sealed redeemed Church as seen in Revelation 14 below, same sealed name of God as seen in Rev 22:4

Revelation 7:2-3KJV
2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Revelation 14:1KJV
And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

All Believers Maintain Gods Name In Their Forehead, As Seen In The Eternal Kingdom Below.

Revelation 22:1-5KJV
1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
Your reply, without entering into my arguments of posting #2, is read and noted. Go well brother.
 

ForestGreenCook

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The 144,000 are the remnant Jews that have received Jesus Christ (Redeemed) and have been (Added) to the Church present on earth (Christians), they are preaching the (Everlasting Gospel) in the death, burial, resurrection, and salvation in Jesus Christ.

Colossians 1:14KJV
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

Revelation 14:4-7KJV
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.
6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
The 144,000 is the visible church and are virgins in the fact that they have always been faithful to their husband, Jesus.
 

ForestGreenCook

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There is ground to think, at first, that the Company of 144,000 of Revelation 7 is the same Company as found in Chapter 14. But on close examination they are completely different. Let us first examine what is similar, and then what is different.

SIMILAR
The most telling similarity is the number 144,000. All indications lead us to believe that this is a REPRESENTATIVE number. The first reason is that Dan is missing for the twelve Tribes. The second is that if we interpret scripture with scripture, in all Old Testament reports, the number of Israelites was never a round number. 144 is a multiple of 12 - the number of God's People. In both Testaments God chose 12 - 12 Tribes and 12 Apostles.
The other similarity is that they are a REMNANT. Israel's number is "as the sand of the sea shore". Those of Chapter 7 and 14 are not the COMPLETE number. In the wilderness Israel numbered 2 million and today they number about 14.7 million,. So whoever they are, they are a Remnant. But this fact does not help in NAMING who they are because in the letters to the seven Churches God is looking for a REMNANT - the Overcomers.

DIFFERENT
The differences are severe
  1. Those of 7 stand on the earth - those of 14 are in heaven (the setting is the same as Chapter 4)
  2. Those of 7 are sealed in their foreheads - those of 14 have the Father's Name in their foreheads
  3. The seal is to protect those of 7 on earth (Rev.9:4) - those of 14 miss what is happening on earth
  4. Those of 7 are on earth - those in 14 are "redeemed from the earth"
  5. Those of 7 are Israelites - those of 14 are "redeemed from among men"
  6. Those of 7 do not sing - those of 14 sing
  7. Israel is called a whore for her idolatry - those of 14 are "virgins"
  8. Israel was defiled by idolatry - those of 14 are "NOT defiled with women
  9. Israel rejected the Lamb and killed Him - those of 14 "follow the Lamb wherever He goes"
  10. Israel blasphemed and lied - those of 14 have no guile in their mouths
  11. Israel iniquities are like scarlet - those of 14 are "without fault"
That they are two different Companies, but both attached to God, is obvious. But who are they?

Israel of Chapter 7
Those of Chapter 7 are already defined. They are Israelites. Why are they sealed? Revelation 9:4 tells. They will pass through the great Tribulation but the seal causes the makers of the catastrophes on earth to pass them over, just as God's faithful were protected by a seal in Jeremiah's time when Jerusalem was given over to the Chaldeans (Ezek.9:4-6). Dan is missing. The reason is not given, but his omission is a further proof that these 144,000 are literal Israelites from a literal Israel. But why are they preserved?

God, in Deuteronomy 28, outlines all the blessing for Israel if they keep the Law, and all the curses if they break it. At the beginning of Chapter 30, God knew that the curses would come upon Israel. The final and most serious was that they would be deported, dispersed among all nations and ruled by foreign kings. In verse 1-5 God outlines the requirements for this diaspora to be REVERSED. The requirement for Israel to be restored to favor with God and restored to their Land was to return to "that which Moses expounded THAT DAY". And THAT DAY, Moses was expounding the Law. God knew that (i) Israel would completely break the Law, and (ii) not believe in their Messiah as revealed in Deuteronomy 18:16-19. So God sets forth the requirement that Israel RETURN WITH THEIR WHOLE HEARTS TO THE LAW OF MOSES - THE CONTENTS OF THE COVENANT OF SINAI.

In Romans 9 and 11, this restoration of Israel is the context. Israel's last great crisis was when Jezebel provoked Israel to full give themselves over to her gods. God's man was Elijah. Elijah is famous because he "was jealous over God Covenant". Elijah complained that he was the only man jealous for God's Covenant. But God said that He had reserved 7,000 more like Elijah - a REMNANT of all Israel. God knew that Israel would embrace the Beast. At His trial Israel called for "Caesar" - a Gentile king. So God is prepared, just like Sodom, to save the WHOLE if a REMNANT fulfill the requirements. The REMNANT of Israel who turn back to the Law are the 144,000 of Revelation Chapter 7. They are God's people (12X12), they stay on earth, they are from the 12 tribes (less Dan), and like in Ezekiel, they are MARKED so that the catastrophes that overtake earth do not kill them (Rev.9:4). They turn back to the Law with all their hearts and must LIVE, or God will lose His requirement for restoring Israel. There is NO INDICATION that they turn to Jesus. And turning to Jesus is NOT a requirement for Israel to be restored.

The Overcomers of Revelation 14
From all the Parables, from the gospels and from the letters of the New Testament, it is abundantly clear that not all Christians are equally diligent. If these Parables, statements by Jesus and the threats of the letters are carefully read, it seems that the BULK of Christianity will become APOSTATE. Of SEVEN Churches in Revelation, only TWO are commended. From the letters of Paul and Peter, it is clear that Christians all over has massive problems with holiness. So God, in His wisdom, sets forth REWARDS for the diligent Christians. For ALL Christians, the grand reward is (i) to be named co-heir and co-king with Christ in the first 1,000 years of His Kingdom, when He sets it up on earth, and (ii) to be allowed into the Wedding Feast of Christ at His second coming. But the question remains, what will happen to the LIVING Christians when the Beast takes power over the whole earth and the wrath of God is spewed out over ALL THE EARTH.

In three scriptures, the Holy Spirit PLAINLY says that the DILIGENT and INTIMATE Christians will be Raptured OFF the earth to Christ's PRESENCE in the clouds. They are;
  1. Philippians 3:10-14 where it says that there is a special resurrection that must be ATTAINED to, and an "UPWARD CALL" (lit. Gk.) that is a PRIZE, if you have (i) given up all things to gain Christ, (ii) a righteousness, and (iii) an intimacy with Christ
  2. Luke 21:36 where the context is the Second Coming of Christ and the trials that will come upon the earth. Verse 36 says that SOME will be ACCOUNTED WORTHY to miss this travail of the earth and "STAND BEFORE THE SON OF MAN". Since Matthew 24:29-30 shows that Jesus only returns to earth AFTER the Tribulation, to miss the Tribulation and "stand before" the Son of man" means you will be in heaven or the air with clouds - because that is where Jesus is at that time.
  3. Revelation 3:10 where the context is Overcomers who have kept themselves during our Lords delay in returning. Our Lord says; "BECAUSE you have done this, I will keep you from the HOUR of trial on the whole earth". The word "BECAUSE" is CONDITIONAL. That is, "as a reward for this, I will do that." Now, the grammar does NOT SAY; "kept IN the trial". It says "kept FROM THE HOUR of trial". This has TWO IMPLICATIONS. (i) "FROM" means "AWAY FROM" implying a distance from the trial, and (ii) "THE HOUR" means that for the DURATION of the trial you are missing. Now, in the creation, a man can only be in ONE of THREE places. Either he is (i) on earth, (ii) or he is dead and under the earth in Hades, (iii) or he is alive and in the sky or heaven. Since we talk of the LIVING, there is only one place that a man who is missing from the earth and missing for the duration of the trial, can be. That is UP IN THE SKY OR LOWER HEAVEN.
I you look at the qualities of those in Revelation 14:1-5 you will immediately see that (i) they are Sons of God because He is their FATHER, (ii) that they are in morally sound condition, (iii) that they have been redeemed from among men, and that (iv) they have been "redeemed FROM THE EARTH."

The evidence is conclusive. Those of Revelation 14 are God's people (12X12), they have God as their Father (born again), are redeemed, are in a state of holiness, belong to the Lamb and are above the earth. The 144,000 of Revelation Chapter 14 are the Overcomers of the Church.
Ezk 10 tells us of two wheels. An outer larger wheel (the invisible church) and a smaller wheel within the larger wheel (the visible church, the 144,000, the remnant, the few, the little flock, etc) This harmonizes with the two gates mentioned in Matt 7. The wide gate, the invisible church, being those of God's elect, that are still babes in Christ, and are teaching, and preaching false doctrines that are not the doctrine that Jesus taught. The straight gate, the visible church, being those of God's elect that have been revealed, by the indwelling Holy Ghost, the truths of the doctrine that Jesus taught, the gospel.
 

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For the last time Israel is not added to the church. The church is not Israel.
Scriptures prove that Jacob, (whose name was changed to Israel) as Israel is the invisible church. which includes every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation. The 144,000 is the visible church, the remnant, the few, the little flock, etc.
 

ForestGreenCook

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What is the interpretation of them being virgins and not being defiled by women?
The 144,000 is the visible church, and they are called virgins, in the fact, that they have always been faithful to their husband Jesus Christ, by having never taught any other doctrine, but the doctrine of Jesus, by the revelation of the indwelling of the Holy Ghost.