Is it a sin to drink alcohol

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Aerials1978 said:
The wedding in Cana?
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The new wine was GRAPE juice, The BIBLE says NOT to destroy the wine that is in the CLUSTER,
And turning does destroy IT, GOD say IT that settle it. how can we go any further,
JUSUS would tell us this then do it his self, that is what is called a hypocrite
 
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bud62 said:
The new wine was GRAPE juice, The BIBLE says NOT to destroy the wine that is in the CLUSTER,
And turning does destroy IT, GOD say IT that settle it. how can we go any further,
JUSUS would tell us this then do it his self, that is what is called a hypocrite
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New wine does not equal grape juice, sorry pal

Wine is wine, juice is juice.

Who would think people can get drunk off of new wine?:

Acts 2:13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.

Who would ever mock anyone by saying "hahaa, these guys are drunk off of grape juice!"
 
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New wine does not equal grape juice, sorry pal

Wine is wine, juice is juice.

Who would think people can get drunk off of new wine?:

Acts 2:13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.

Who would ever mock anyone by saying "hahaa, these guys are drunk off of grape juice!"
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Well word does not mean the same thing as thy did, and if you study on it a little, You mite see it A little different, But GOD IS Right ,And HIS WORD, And the BIBLE does not AGREE with what you are saying, GOD bless as GOD sees GOOD FOR YOU.
 
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Hevosmies said:
New wine does not equal grape juice, sorry pal

Wine is wine, juice is juice.

Who would think people can get drunk off of new wine?:

Acts 2:13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.

Who would ever mock anyone by saying "hahaa, these guys are drunk off of grape juice!"
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Where’s the grape juice in the following passage concerning the Nazarene abstaining from everything coming from the vine tree?

Numbers 6
3 He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.
4 All the days of his separation shall he eat nothing that is made of the vine tree, from the kernels even to the husk.
 
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John146 said:
Where’s the grape juice in the following passage concerning the Nazarene abstaining from everything coming from the vine tree?

Numbers 6
3 He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.
4 All the days of his separation shall he eat nothing that is made of the vine tree, from the kernels even to the husk.
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The BIBLE says It is in the cluster.
Isaiah 65:8 Thus saith the LORD, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and [one] saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing [is] in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all.
 
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And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the Lord thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,
Deuteronomy 14:26 KJV
 
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Blackpowderduelist said:
And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the Lord thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,
Deuteronomy 14:26 KJV
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Study a little on LUST From what I understand in the BIBLE, IF we obey the lust we have, It is called SIN
 
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The new wine was GRAPE juice, The BIBLE says NOT to destroy the wine that is in the CLUSTER,
And turning does destroy IT, GOD say IT that settle it. how can we go any further,
JUSUS would tell us this then do it his self, that is what is called a hypocrite
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That was not grape juice or diluted wine. I have heard this before and scholars have debunked it. Wine was very essential in Temple worship and even at the Lords supper.
 
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Aerials1978 said:
That was not grape juice or diluted wine. I have heard this before and scholars have debunked it. Wine was very essential in Temple worship and even at the Lords supper.
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Aerials1978 said:
That was not grape juice or diluted wine. I have heard this before and scholars have debunked it.
scholars and scientists hardly ever agree with the BIBLE. But the BIBLE is always right
Wine was very essential in Temple worship and even at the Lords supper.
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Sorry you think the lord drinks. when he would not even drink the vinegar and gall for the pain that he was in, it was because the the vinegar comes from strong drink
 
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It's called "Liquour and 'SPIRITS" for a reason...they aren't Holy SPirit led powers that create mayhem. If Jesus imbibed alcoholic wine, He would have allowed evil spirits in his persona. He would not have been able to carry out the FAther's mission.
 
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bud62 said:
The new wine was GRAPE juice, The BIBLE says NOT to destroy the wine that is in the CLUSTER,
And turning does destroy IT, GOD say IT that settle it. how can we go any further,
JUSUS would tell us this then do it his self, that is what is called a hypocrite
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The context of the passage dictates that wine was created and not grape juice. You provided a verse earlier that stated that wine is a mocker, are you saying that grape juice is a mocker? Makes absolutely no sense. You can eat, drink, and be merry as I believe Solomon once stated but that's not happening with grape juice. Even Paul said that those who were troubled should drink a little wine. Do you believe that the correct rendering is for those that are troubled or have stomach ailments as stated by Paul should drink grape juice? I'd rather have a glass of OJ than Welch's any day.
 
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student said:
It's called "Liquour and 'SPIRITS" for a reason...they aren't Holy SPirit led powers that create mayhem. If Jesus imbibed alcoholic wine, He would have allowed evil spirits in his persona. He would not have been able to carry out the FAther's mission.
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student said:
It's called "Liquour and 'SPIRITS" for a reason...they aren't Holy SPirit led powers that create mayhem. If Jesus imbibed alcoholic wine, He would have allowed evil spirits in his persona. He would not have been able to carry out the FAther's mission.
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The context of the passage dictates that wine was created and not grape juice. You provided a verse earlier that stated that wine is a mocker, are you saying that grape juice is a mocker? Makes absolutely no sense. You can eat, drink, and be merry as I believe Solomon once stated but that's not happening with grape juice. Even Paul said that those who were troubled should drink a little wine. Do you believe that the correct rendering is for those that are troubled or have stomach ailments as stated by Paul should drink grape juice? I'd rather have a glass of OJ than Welch's any day.
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Solomon fall and done A lot of things that HE shouldn't have done,
And that is A BIBLE VERSE that you are talking about, So it will stand GOOD no matter what we think,
GOD bless as GOD sees GOOD for you
 
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tourist said:
The context of the passage dictates that wine was created and not grape juice. You provided a verse earlier that stated that wine is a mocker, are you saying that grape juice is a mocker? Makes absolutely no sense. You can eat, drink, and be merry as I believe Solomon once stated but that's not happening with grape juice. Even Paul said that those who were troubled should drink a little wine. Do you believe that the correct rendering is for those that are troubled or have stomach ailments as stated by Paul should drink grape juice? I'd rather have a glass of OJ than Welch's any day.
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Whats the difference between wine and strong drink?
 
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bud62 said:
Sorry you think the lord drinks. when he would not even drink the vinegar and gall for the pain that he was in, it was because the the vinegar comes from strong drink
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Yes, Jesus drank wine. I’m quite sure He never got drunk. What you’re saying is historically and factually incorrect. There no evidence to suggest otherwise.
 
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Sorry you think the lord drinks. when he would not even drink the vinegar and gall for the pain that he was in, it was because the the vinegar comes from strong drink
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There's a difference between 'I refuse to drink alcohol' and 'I will not take any substance that will numb the effects of the punishment that I'm taking on behalf of all mankind'
I don't think your comparison is a valid one.
 
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John146 said:
Whats the difference between wine and strong drink?
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Probably the alcohol content. Typical alcohol content in spirits (whisky, vodka, gin, etc) is over 4 times that of wine, and wine typically has twice the alcohol content of beer.
 
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tourist said:
Probably the alcohol content. Typical alcohol content in spirits (whisky, vodka, gin, etc) is over 4 times that of wine, and wine typically has twice the alcohol content of beer.
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A lot of alcohol mess up the mind a lot, and destroys the brain a lot.
A little of alcohol mess up the mind a little, and destroys the brain a little.
ether way I believe is to much, killing us slowly and killing us fast, I do not think GOD is pleased ether way
 
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bud62 said:
A lot of alcohol mess up the mind a lot, and destroys the brain a lot.
A little of alcohol mess up the mind a little, and destroys the brain a little.
ether way I believe is to much, killing us slowly and killing us fast, I do not think GOD is pleased ether way
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I have seen much personal destruction of individuals and families that are alcohol related. For the record, I have abstained from alcohol since 1992. While I enjoyed drinking it I chose not to do it anymore.
 
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John146 said:
Where’s the grape juice in the following passage concerning the Nazarene abstaining from everything coming from the vine tree?

Numbers 6
3 He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.
4 All the days of his separation shall he eat nothing that is made of the vine tree, from the kernels even to the husk.
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The grape juice is in verse 4. NOTHING that is made of the vine tree. Clear
 
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