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Study the passage surrounding this verse:

"As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes."

[see also including the "blindness [/hardening]... UNTIL" part ;) (THIS "UNTIL" corresponds to a number of OTHER "UNTIL" passages re: the SAME Subject!)]




...and this:

"whom indeed it behooves heaven to receive until the times of restoration OF ALL THINGS OF WHICH GOD SPOKE BY the mouth of His holy prophets from the age." [that is, OT prophets concerning OT prophecies...]





And then consider also this:

[quoting old posts]
Here's what I've posted in the past:

[quoting my past posts on this]

I'm looking for a different quote by George V Wigram... but (in the meantime) in its place, I'll just post this brief portion also by him (note the phrase "God's governmental ways on earth," which is what I believe Roman's 11's "olive tree" represents):

[quoting Wigram]

"Gen. 27:29 [Isaac blessing Jacob]. Let peoples (gamnzim, pl.), serve thee and [manners or sorts of ] nations (l'ummim, pl.) bow down to thee: be lord [a mighty man] over thy brethren.
"Observe, this would not run the source of the division of people back to Shem, Ham and Japhet, so as to make the word to be equivalent to what we call the races of people, in connection with the Noahic earth, who constitute the whole human family. The subdivision here alluded to took place in the family of Isaac, type of the heir of promise, not earlier; and the heads of this subdivision are brought before us in Rom. 9 All God's ways and subdivisions are to be noted."

[also]
"f Israel is the goh'y of experience, promise, blessing on the earth; the center of all God's governmental ways on earth; but in saying that, I look at them from outside and as one whole. When they are owned as gammi, my people, their detailed state and associations within is the aspect in which they are considered."

--George V Wigram

http://bibletruthpublishers.com/heb...t-testimony-psalms-article/g-v-wigram/la61041

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[quoting that other article by Wigram]

"[re: Romans 11] In Jesus Christ, if the question be about Christian position, eternal life, or the Church considered in her essential relationship to Christ, there was neither Jew nor Gentile; the thoughts found in this chapter [Romans 11] can THERE have no place. If the question be about the cutting off of an individual for sinful conduct, little matters it whether he be Jew or Gentile; that has nothing to do with it, and on the other hand, there would be no question about grafting in again of the Jews more than of any others, and neither Jews nor others could be grafted in, if God had cut them off in such a manner. And if it were a question about a warning from the Apostle to Christians at Rome, and so to others elsewhere, as being brethren, it would be almost nonsense to say, " And thou, O Gentile, take heed!" Why, thou, O Gentile? Had not Christians, Jews by birth, as much need to take heed? Or could the Spirit of God, in such a warning, have made the distinction, and thus denied the principle of, the Church of God in which there is neither Jew nor Gentile? If the question is about a divine administration upon earth, then God can well make the distinction and develop his ways towards the one and the other; and it is plain that from the commencement of the ninth chapter the Apostle is occupied with and pointedly contrasts the Jews and the Gentiles, presenting us with the administration of the divine ways upon the earth. First declaring his attachment to Israel, he points out an election in the election for the earth, and further, that if God according to his sovereignty had chosen Israel (and such was Israel's boast), He had not renounced His sovereignty; and consequently, He could call the Gentiles if he would [i.e. if He so willed, and HE DID!]. Then he recalls to mind that the prophets had shown that a little remnant only, of Israel, at such an epoch, would be saved, and that a stone of stumbling would be laid in Zion."

-- Thoughts on Romans 11 and the Responsibility of the Church, Present Testimony: Volume 4 George V. Wigram
http://bibletruthpublishers.com/tho...the-church/present-testimony-volume-4/la85282

[end quoting; bold and underline mine, some/most bracketed inserts mine]

[end quoting old posts]
The times of the gentiles was the time Gentiles were to trample Jerusalem, that ended in AD 70.

The enemies of the gospel - unsaved Jews.
God's elected - saved Jews.

Jesus restored the kingdom when he took the kingdom from the Jews as a whole and give it to the saved Jews and saved Gentiles.
 

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The times of the gentiles was the time Gentiles were to trample Jerusalem,
Yes, and I had said that this STARTED in 606bc... (Neb's "dream/statue/image" / Neb as "head of gold")... Rev11:2 says it is not CONCLUDED until Christ's Second Coming to the earth (when the "42 mos" concludes--see also Rev13:5-7,1 / Dan7:20-25,7!!)!
that ended in AD 70.
No.

That's when "they shall be led away captive into all the nations"... and "Jeru shall be trodden down of the Gentiles UNTIL..."

[Matt24:29-31 is when they are gathered TO THERE, per Isa27:12-13!]

The enemies of the gospel - unsaved Jews.
God's elected - saved Jews.

Jesus restored the kingdom when he took the kingdom from the Jews as a whole and give it to the saved Jews and saved Gentiles.
 

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^ EDIT (to correct... a dropped number): see also Rev13:5-7,1 / Dan7:20-25,27!!
 

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Here's how I see the following passage:

Zech14 -

All Nations Will Worship the King
(Leviticus 23:33–44; Nehemiah 8:13–18)

16 Then all the survivors from the nations that came against Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, and to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles.d 17 And should any of the families of the earth not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, then the rain will not fall on them. 18 And if the people of Egypt will not go up and enter in, then the rain will not fall on them; this will be the plague with which the LORD strikes the nations who do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. 19 This will be the punishment of Egypt and of all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles.
20 On/In that day, HOLY TO THE LORDe will be inscribed on the bells of the horses, and the cooking pots in the house of the LORD will be like the sprinkling bowls before the altar. 21 Indeed, every pot in Jerusalem and Judah will be holy to the LORD of Hosts, and all who sacrifice will come and take some pots and cook in them. And on/in that day there will no longer be a Canaanitef [/merchant/trader/trafficker - H3669] in the house of the LORD of Hosts.




As I see it (and I believe one can deduce this from Scripture [John 1:14 "the Word was made flesh and TABERNACLED among us," for just ONE example; the "24 courses" being another such figuring factor (the birth of John the Baptist, and all)]), I think the Feast of Tabernacles is the day He was BORN (i.e. "His BIRTHDAY"), and I see no problem at all if He desires such a "celebration" (in just such a way)... which is here called "worship".



[I personally like to eat a good steak on MY birthday, but that's just me ;) ]

So then yes, there will be animal killings indeed then? But let's set that aside for a sec.
I have more questions that simply arise as I'm reading the passage you posted. Please correct me if we're not imagining the same scenario here...

- Where do all these infidels come from that gather to fight God on Armageddon afterwards? Does that mean the saints have children - new souls - over this 1000 years (because it makes no sense for resurrected sealed believers to turn against God), and a lot of the reigning believer population suddenly comes to hate Jesus in the 1000th year?

- If not, had not the infidels died off being judged by all these plagues and punishments since they refused to celebrate - so who is going to gather against God?

- Is every family who didn't catch the airplane for Israel for the feast of the Tabernacles plagued, yes? What happens to people who stayed at the home airports to oversee flights to Israel and help believers get to Jerusalem, is a plague sent on them? If, say 5% or 95% of people from a country travel to Israel, how many % of non goers does it take for a plague to fall on their country?

- Will horses be used at that time in the future in order for the writing to be on horse bells? Or will maybe the writing be on car honks?
 

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Killing Jesus was the finishing of the transgression. That is the straw that broke the camels back and made Jerusalem desolate.
no, it was not God had Israel and Judah in judgment well before the coming of the lord. Remember they were in captivity when Jesus was born. The desolate is what happens to the temple which the Roman did when they tore down the walls to get the gold As Jesus said would happen in Matthew 24. IF you notice they are a nation today which means the Prophecy of Jeremiah and Zachariah came to pass in 1948.
 

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I don't think it's "challenging the throne of David". There's no doubt that the throne of David belongs to Jesus. I think people are just trying to make sense where the throne is, since some things did change, the Bible says that, yes?

"For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law."

Jew criterion is now said to be inward:
"But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly "

The law is now said to be inward:
"I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them"

The priesthood is now said to be inward:
"ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood" - yet no robes, mithre, physical temple, physical Levitical lineage, etc...

The kingdom is now inward (which is hard to separate from the throne):
"cometh not by observation"
"the kingdom of God is within you"


The temple is now inward:
"as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house"
"Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?" -
not physically observable

The Promised land is now inward:
"And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect."

If the Kingdom comes not by observation, how is the throne of that kingdom going to be observed?

All these things were changed "God having provided some better thing", but the throne is supposed to be unchanged, and physically observed, and not upgraded into a "some better thing"? It really does not compel me... I did use to believe they would dig out some ancient throne and all that, so it's not like my reason for not believing it now was doubt or lack of faith. I just find it very hard to believe now because of context.
very interesting could I suggest laws are not changed? A Law is absolute. A Law can only be overtaken by a greater law. Jesus is the supreme Authority when Jesus said in Matthew chapter 5-7 It is written He is speaking of the Law of Moses but when Jesus says

BUT I SAY unto you, HE is establishing a greater law. HE over came the LAW of death with a greater Law of eternal life :)
 
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no, it was not God had Israel and Judah in judgment well before the coming of the lord. Remember they were in captivity when Jesus was born. The desolate is what happens to the temple which the Roman did when they tore down the walls to get the gold As Jesus said would happen in Matthew 24. IF you notice they are a nation today which means the Prophecy of Jeremiah and Zachariah came to pass in 1948.
God don’t establish that nation, the Zionist Rothschild’s did. God was finished with Israel at the cross according to the Bible.

Amo 8:2 (KJV) And he said, Amos, what seest thou? And I said, A basket of summer fruit. Then said the LORD unto me, The end is come upon my people of Israel; I will not again pass by them any more.
 

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[...] God was finished with Israel at the cross according to the Bible.

Amo 8:2 (KJV) And he said, Amos, what seest thou? And I said, A basket of summer fruit. Then said the LORD unto me, The end is come upon my people of Israel; I will not again pass by them any more.
Compare the same wording in each of these two verses:

Amos 8:2 - https://biblehub.com/text/amos/8-2.htm
"2 Amos, what do you see?” He asked. “A basket of summer fruit,” I replied. So the LORD said to me, “The end has come for My people Israel; I will no longer spare them."


Amos 7:8 - https://biblehub.com/text/amos/7-8.htm
"8 Amos, what do you see?” asked the LORD. “A plumb line,” I replied. “Behold,” said the Lord, “I am setting a plumb line among My people Israel; I will no longer spare them:"


...BUT then DO NOT NEGLECT TO see the entire next chapter (and what THAT connects to [HINT: Acts something and the SEQUENCE it reveals, right??, but which you are disregarding entirely]):

esp Amos 9:11-15 - https://biblehub.com/bsb/amos/9.htm [Amos 9 CHPT at link]
 
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Compare the same wording in each of these two verses:

Amos 8:2 - https://biblehub.com/text/amos/8-2.htm
"2 Amos, what do you see?” He asked. “A basket of summer fruit,” I replied. So the LORD said to me, “The end has come for My people Israel; I will no longer spare them."


Amos 7:8 - https://biblehub.com/text/amos/7-8.htm
"8 Amos, what do you see?” asked the LORD. “A plumb line,” I replied. “Behold,” said the Lord, “I am setting a plumb line among My people Israel; I will no longer spare them:"


...BUT then DO NOT NEGLECT TO see the entire next chapter (and what THAT connects to):

esp Amos 9:11-15 - https://biblehub.com/bsb/amos/9.htm [Amos 9 CHPT at link]
It was the end of the reign of earthly Jerusalem and the beginning of the reign of heaven Jerusalem over the kingdom of heaven. Amos 9 is heavenly Jerusalem.

Gods not going to take the kingdom of heaven from heavenly Jerusalem and give it back to earthly Jerusalem.
 

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[quoting another old post]


I differ with you on this. :)

I do believe there are "time-related-prophecies" concerning Israel (coming into play in our era).

Here's how I'm seeing that:

--FROM 537bc [the "Return to Israel" from captivity]

TO 1948ad [Nation of Israel]

= 2520y (factored in 360 day years, as "time-prophecies" relating to Israel are often factored); and


--FROM 518bc [the "Temple Rebuilding"]

TO 1967ad [Jerusalem Regained (apart from which, there can be no temple)]

= 2520y (ditto the above)


--[I believe there are two other connections, but can't quote them off the top of my head...]



...the equation (in the above) being, "Ezekiel 4 minus 2 Chronicles 36:21 times Leviticus 26 equals 2520 years" (2520 years of 360-day years, in the above-mentioned ones):

--Ezekiel 4 is 430 yrs, 360 yrs of which were "remaining"; and

--[minus] 2Chronicles 36:21, "until the land had enjoyed her sabbaths: for as long as she lay desolate she kept sabbath, to fulfil threescore and ten years [70 yrs]"; and

--[times] Leviticus 26 4x says (basically) [re: Israel],

"[but if not, then]... I will punish you seven times more for your sins."



So (when examined), we see [360y (remained) x 7 = 2520y]



I think this has to be more than "coincidence" (and acknowledging the stages shown to be expected in the Ezekiel 37 chpt ["dry bones prophecy" regarding Israel])


[end quoting old post]
 

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- Where do all these infidels come from that gather to fight God on Armageddon afterwards? Does that mean the saints have children - new souls - over this 1000 years (because it makes no sense for resurrected sealed believers to turn against God), and a lot of the reigning believer population suddenly comes to hate Jesus in the 1000th year?

- If not, had not the infidels died off being judged by all these plagues and punishments since they refused to celebrate - so who is going to gather against God?
Remember that Armageddon happens at Christ's Second Coming. This is before The Millennium. It is possible that only the raptured ones will enter the 1000 year period with glorified bodies. The rest will still have little ones. Some of these will join Satan when he is released for a short period of time after the Millennium.
 

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[quoting another old post]

Hosea 5:14-6:3 -


I've posted this before about the "days" (and/or "day") issues (the ones that are not "singular 24-hr days"):

Hosea 5:14-6:3 [re: Israel] -

14 For I am like a lion to Ephraim

and like a young lion to the house of Judah.

I, even I, will tear them to pieces

and then go away.

I will carry them off

where no one can rescue them.

15 Then I will return to My place

until they admit their guilt and seek My face;

in their affliction

they will earnestly [or, early] seek Me.”

6:1 Come, let us [Israel] return to the LORD.

For He has torn us [Israel] to pieces,

but He will heal us [Israel];

He has wounded us [Israel],

but He will bind up our [Israel's] wounds.

2 After two days He will revive [H2421] us [Israel]; [see H2421 in Ezekiel 37 also, vv.3,5,6,9,10,14]

on/in the third day He will raise [H6965] us [Israel] up, [see H6965 in Isaiah 26 also, v.19]

that we [Israel] may live [H2421 (ditto the above note)] in His presence.

3 So let us [Israel] know—

let us [Israel] press on to know the LORD.

As surely as the sun rises,

He will appear;

He will come to us [Israel] like the rain,

like the spring showers that water the earth [/as the latter rain unto the earth].


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[then... quoting Gaebelein's Commentary on Hosea 5]

"And like the lion after his attack withdraws to his den, so the Lord would withdraw from them, leave them and return to His place, waiting till their repentance comes and they seek Him early in their affliction.

"The last verse of this chapter has a wider meaning than the past judgment which came upon the house of Israel. The Lord of glory came to earth and visited His people. He came with the message and offer of the kingdom to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. He came unto His own, but His own received Him not. After they had rejected Him, delivered Him into the hands of the Gentiles to be crucified, He returned to His place. There He is now at the right hand of God, waiting for that day, when the remnant of Israel will repent and seek His face Acts 3:19-26. [I mentioned Acts 3:21's reference to FUTURE events (i.e. the "UNTIL") in my Post #71 of this thread (note: DIFFERENT thread)]. That will be in their coming great affliction, in the time of Jacob’s trouble.

"Hosea 6:1-3. The division of the chapter at this point is unfortunate. The three verses of chapter 6 must not be detached from the previous chapter. Here we have the future repentance of the remnant of Israel, that is during the great tribulation. Believingly they will acknowledge His righteous judgment and express their faith and hope in His mercy and the promised blessings and restoration. They express what their great prophet Moses so beautifully stated in His prophetic song, that great vision given to him, ere he went to the mountain to die. “See now that I, even I, am He and there is no god with Me; I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal; neither is there any that can deliver out of My hand” Deuteronomy 32:39. “After two days will He revive us; on the third day He will raise us up, and we shall live in His sight (literally, before His face).” They have been dead spiritually and nationally, but when the two days of their blindness and dispersion are over, there is coming for them the third day of life and [what is *LIKENED UNTO a] resurrection."

--Gaebelein, Commentary on Hosea 5 (taken from Bible Hub)

[end quoting Gaebelein; bold and underline mine; bracketed insertions mine]

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[note the passages I've listed before that *LIKEN this UNTO a RESURRECTION ^ (re: Israel's "FUTURE"): Romans 11:15(25-29); Ezekiel 37:12-14,20-23 ('dry bones' prophecy); Isaiah 26:15-21; Daniel 12:1-4,10; John 6:39 (distinct from v.40); Hosea 5:14-6:3 "after TWO days" and "IN the THIRD day"... which is "THE LAST" of these three (counting from His resurrection/ascension [32ad], per Hos5:15), or "THE LAST" of seven (if you count from creation/Genesis 1, i.e. the "sabbatismos" of Heb4:9 (see Ex31:13,17 "it [the sabbath/7th day] is A SIGN between Me and the children of Israel for ever"), aka the Millennial Day of REST, that is, the 7th Millennium, or "THE LAST")]

I believe it is a big mistake to view the phrase "The Last Day" to be referring to merely "a singular 24-hr day"


[end quoting old post]
 

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very interesting could I suggest laws are not changed? A Law is absolute. A Law can only be overtaken by a greater law. Jesus is the supreme Authority when Jesus said in Matthew chapter 5-7 It is written He is speaking of the Law of Moses but when Jesus says

BUT I SAY unto you, HE is establishing a greater law. HE over came the LAW of death with a greater Law of eternal life :)
That's not my thoughts though... that's the Scripture statement... but I agree with your conclusion

"For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law." Heb 7:12
 

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[quoting another old post]I differ with you on this. :)
I do believe there are "time-related-prophecies" concerning Israel (coming into play in our era).
Here's how I'm seeing that:
--FROM 537bc [the "Return to Israel" from captivity]
TO 1948ad [Nation of Israel]
= 2520y (factored in 360 day years, as "time-prophecies" relating to Israel are often factored); and

--FROM 518bc [the "Temple Rebuilding"]
TO 1967ad [Jerusalem Regained (apart from which, there can be no temple)]
= 2520y (ditto the above)

--[I believe there are two other connections, but can't quote them off the top of my head...]

...the equation (in the above) being, "Ezekiel 4 minus 2 Chronicles 36:21 times Leviticus 26 equals 2520 years" (2520 years of 360-day years, in the above-mentioned ones):

--Ezekiel 4 is 430 yrs, 360 yrs of which were "remaining"; and

--[minus] 2Chronicles 36:21, "until the land had enjoyed her sabbaths: for as long as she lay desolate she kept sabbath, to fulfil threescore and ten years [70 yrs]"; and

--[times] Leviticus 26 4x says (basically) [re: Israel],

"[but if not, then]... I will punish you seven times more for your sins."



So (when examined), we see [360y (remained) x 7 = 2520y]



I think this has to be more than "coincidence" (and acknowledging the stages shown to be expected in the Ezekiel 37 chpt ["dry bones prophecy" regarding Israel])


[end quoting old post]

...and about this post...

...and @KJV1611 's Post #148...

...do you believe God ever uses His enemies (or people who are NOT "saints") to execute His PLANS (see Matt22:7 "But when the king heard thereof, he was WROTH: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and BURNED UP THEIR CITY" [see also Lk21:23,20 and Lk19:41-44--speaking of the 70ad events], as a NEGATIVE example, but see below for a POSITIVE EXAMPLE/OUTCOME):


--Ezra 1:2 - "This is what Cyrus king of Persia says: ‘The LORD, the God of heaven, who has given me all the kingdoms of the earth, has appointed me to build a house for Him at Jerusalem in Judah.'"

--Isaiah 44:28 - "who says of Cyrus, 'My shepherd will fulfill all that I desire,' who says of Jerusalem, 'She will be rebuilt,' and of the temple, 'Let its foundation be laid.'"


What is your view of "Cyrus king of Persia"? Do you believe he was a believer/saint/man-of-God/saved-person/etc, when he carried out this task assigned to him? Or do you think it is possible that he was not (yet still carry out, as God's instrument, God's PLANS as spelled out in Scripture regarding this)?


[see also Hab1:6,12 re: "Caldeans/Babylonians"]
 

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God don’t establish that nation, the Zionist Rothschild’s did. God was finished with Israel at the cross according to the Bible.

Amo 8:2 (KJV) And he said, Amos, what seest thou? And I said, A basket of summer fruit. Then said the LORD unto me, The end is come upon my people of Israel; I will not again pass by them any more.

IN the KJV 16111 which you believe is the word of God and all of us should only use are now telling me God of the KJV Bible did not Establish that nation known as Israel? I am you a WASP? Do you have an issue with Jews? The reason why I ask you this because when we engaged in this discussion earlier you accused me of being a "jew fanatic". Which you said after that

"I’ve been round and round on the Jews being Gods chosen people for several days ich you said after that" post #72


I did not address your comment I moved on because you apologized, however, I will say it now in the KJV Bible Found in Deuteronomy 14:2

I will start there.

it reads in the KJV Bible :

For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God, and the Lord hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.

Now make sure you rip this out of your KJV Bible ok. IF you go to Genesis 12:7 GOd said:

And the Lord appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: and there builded he an altar unto the Lord, who appeared unto him

Rip that out of the KJV too.

YOu need to read and do a studied on the Throne of David who, I know this is going to be a shocker to some was a JEW.

FYI just in case, you did not know Jesus too, is a JEW. There is a reason why Matthew starts with the Genealogy of Christ
And Luke 3:23-38 does too.
verse 17 on Mtt 1says:


So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations . the KJV

verse 18 says :

Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.


For you to say God was finished with the nation of Israel at the Cross and you put a BIG Period there "." and nothing in the KJV bible matters anymore.

Is Jesus coming back? Where is he coming to? IS Lord Jesus' feet touch down in New York? Or Canada? Oh, I know SF.

You have some serious biblical issues guy., and the KJV Only has nothing to do with it.
 

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That's not my thoughts though... that's the Scripture statement... but I agree with your conclusion

"For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law." Heb 7:12
I want to know please what your thoughts are.
 
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IN the KJV 16111 which you believe is the word of God and all of us should only use are now telling me God of the KJV Bible did not Establish that nation known as Israel? I am you a WASP? Do you have an issue with Jews? The reason why I ask you this because when we engaged in this discussion earlier you accused me of being a "jew fanatic". Which you said after that

"I’ve been round and round on the Jews being Gods chosen people for several days ich you said after that" post #72


I did not address your comment I moved on because you apologized, however, I will say it now in the KJV Bible Found in Deuteronomy 14:2

I will start there.

it reads in the KJV Bible :

For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God, and the Lord hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.

Now make sure you rip this out of your KJV Bible ok. IF you go to Genesis 12:7 GOd said:

And the Lord appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: and there builded he an altar unto the Lord, who appeared unto him

Rip that out of the KJV too.

YOu need to read and do a studied on the Throne of David who, I know this is going to be a shocker to some was a JEW.

FYI just in case, you did not know Jesus too, is a JEW. There is a reason why Matthew starts with the Genealogy of Christ
And Luke 3:23-38 does too.
verse 17 on Mtt 1says:


So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations . the KJV

verse 18 says :

Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.


For you to say God was finished with the nation of Israel at the Cross and you put a BIG Period there "." and nothing in the KJV bible matters anymore.

Is Jesus coming back? Where is he coming to? IS Lord Jesus' feet touch down in New York? Or Canada? Oh, I know SF.

You have some serious biblical issues guy., and the KJV Only has nothing to do with it.
Exo 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:

Who is God's peculiar nation and chosen people?
The Jews that hated God and his commandments, slew the prophets and killed Jesus.
Or the ones that the word of God took root in and who obeyed his voice and kept his commandments?
 

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Exo 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:

Who is God's peculiar nation and chosen people?
The Jews that hated God and his commandments, slew the prophets and killed Jesus.
Or the ones that the word of God took root in and who obeyed his voice and kept his commandments?
IF you read the word of God and stop cherry-picking it, in 1kings 2kings, and the minor prophets you will see where God said " Repent and I will restore you as a people and return your land. God also did not FORGET HIS Promises to:

Abraham = which is a Covenant = people and land
King David's throne= this line will never end which will have Jesus on the Throne of David.
Just as important as this promise is the promise of the royal throne of David. Two of the gospel writers have taken the time to give us the royal lineage of Jesus. Why? Just for interesting information? Not at all. Jesus is of the royal line as a fulfillment of the promise to David.

Isaiah 9:6-7 made it clear that the Messiah was to come in the lineage of David.

"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the THRONE OF DAVID, " "and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this. "


You are very much in error sir,
 
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IF you read the word of God and stop cherry-picking it, in 1kings 2kings, and the minor prophets you will see where God said " Repent and I will restore you as a people and return your land. God also did not FORGET HIS Promises to:

Abraham = which is a Covenant = people and land
King David's throne= this line will never end which will have Jesus on the Throne of David.
Just as important as this promise is the promise of the royal throne of David. Two of the gospel writers have taken the time to give us the royal lineage of Jesus. Why? Just for interesting information? Not at all. Jesus is of the royal line as a fulfillment of the promise to David.

Isaiah 9:6-7 made it clear that the Messiah was to come in the lineage of David.

"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the THRONE OF DAVID, " "and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this. "


You are very much in error sir,
Ok, if I'm wrong, what does this verse really mean in your opinion?

Exo 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: