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Ultimateprepper

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I feel led by the spirit to share this to whoever the spirit leads to receive it. Now there are some who are under the false doctrine that God's Divine commandments have been blotted out and nailed to cross and were a curse not a blessing. I will refute this lie with the truth of the Holy Spirits teaching. Now before we begin In no way or form am I saying obedience to reliance on or observance of Gods commandments makes you righteous or secures your salvation I know the word says (Rom. 10:10) For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. First lets expose the lie and find out what was truly blottened out and was a curse (not 10 commandments) and nailed to the cross and find out what was fulfilled by final sacrifice of Christ Jesus our Lord. (Rom. 7:11-14) 11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it (using it as a weapon) slew (killed) me. 12 Wherefore the law is holy, ( not a curse) and the commandment holy, (again not a curse) and just, and good. 13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me (without the Spirit) by that which is good(as a weapon); that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal (of flesh), sold under sin (sold into slavery under control of sin). You see clearly it states gods commandments are not a curse but used as a weapon against us before we had received spirit of Christ where there is no condemnation for sin. The curse wasn't the commandments it was that we were in bondage having to live in flesh without the spirit. Now here is where the false doctrine originates from. (Gal. 3:10) For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. What is this book they speak of? Well lets let the bible explain itself and not make our own assumptions. Lets see is it the 10 commandments, that can't be GOD came down as a consuming fire and wrote them with his own finger in stone (not a book). What about (Deu. 31:26) Take this book(again not 10 commandments) of the law, and put it in the side ( not in) of the ark of the covenant of the lord your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee. You can read Deu. 31 if you want to know more of this book their is a song written in it as a witness against children of Israel (again not 10 commandments). Now lets reiterate what we have already established. Gods commandments are good, holy, just(not a curse and against thee). Lets read commandment 5 together Honor thy mother and father, that your days may be long in the land the lord your god gives you. Does that sound like blessing or curse,for you or against you(rhetorical). Now the true curse that's nailed to cross (Col. 2:14) 14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances (webster- an authoritative decree or direction; a prescribed usage, practice, or ceremony) that was against us (not 10 commandments they're holy), which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross. I got it these are without a doubt the ceremonial ordinances one had to practice and follow to become justified and cleansed in the sight of the lord (circumcision, sacrifices, etc.) but we don't live in the flesh under the law of sin and death we live by the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus. Christ's final sacrifice erased all those burdens of living under that old law (in flesh) which was the curse not God's holy, just, divine, commandments which when we are obedient to are a blessing. So do we follow and keep Gods commandments to be justified and secure salvation nooo! That is only received through life in Christ. So lets see what holy spirit teaches now that we have exsposed this lie of Satan which is false doctrine. First lets find out where Gods commandments are surely not blotted out I found them now put your hand over your heart now you found them and are they not embedded in your mind. (Heb. 10:14-16) For by one offering (Jesus Christ) he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 15 whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, 16 This is the covenant that i will make with them after those days, saith the Lord (not man); I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them. God also says (1 John 5:3) For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. (1 John 2:3-7) 3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. 6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked. 7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment, which you had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which you have heard from the beginning. Read parable of the unprofitable servant (Luke 17:5-10) to see we are doing will of god when we keep his commandments. So here's warning about false teachers (Col. 2:8) Beware lest any man spoil (hold you captive) you through (so called) philosophy vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments (principles) of the world, and not after Christ. We in the spirit stay ( Col. 2:7) Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. And this is how we may discern ( daily by experience) that we are coming to know him- to perceive, recognize, understand and become better acquainted with him- if we keep ( bear in mind, observe, practice) His teachings (precepts, commandments) so that Christ's life may be lived in us and through us and I pray all of you who received this in the spirit that know this is Spirit of truth in me that shares this with you. (Psalm 1) 2 But his delight is in the law of the Lord; and in his law doeth he meditate day and night. 3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper. (Isa. 40:8) The grass withereth, the flower fadeth, but the word of our god shall stand forever. And this is for all who Don't understand (1 Cor. 2:14) But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. ( Mat. 5:17) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. (Then there is a new beginning)
 
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Ultimateprepper said:
I feel led by the spirit to share this to whoever the spirit leads to receive it. Now there are some who are under the false doctrine that God's Divine commandments have been blotted out and nailed to cross and were a curse not a blessing. I will refute this lie with the truth of the Holy Spirits teaching.
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18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. (Then there is a new beginning)
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I enjoy your passion and defense of the Law. Instead of rebutting point for point, let me lay forth my view of the matter and the interested reader can compare.

The Law was given as the conditions of the Israelite as he entered into a Contract (or Covenant) with God. These condiitons are summarized in Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28. The Law should achieve the following;
  1. It should cause a lifestyle that makes men who have God living in their midst ritually clean. Israel is the one Nation that has the presence of God and because He is a holy (separate) God, they must be holy
  2. It should cause a lifestyle in which the righteousness of God is displayed, to the Israelite first and then to the Nations around them who watch
  3. It should cause a situation where men and the earth are cared for
Habitual breaking of the Law was threatened with God not dwelling in their midst, God calling them "LO-ammi" - "you are not my people", and God scattering them out of the Land into the lands of the heathen.

The weakness of the Law was not in itself. The Law is God's Law, it was given by God via angels, it is good and spiritual and a light to the path of men through life. The weakness of the Law was the falleness of men. Romans Chapter 7 establishes beyond doubt that man, who is subject to another Law, the Law of sin and death, will always fail in matters of Law. It is like the law of gravity. Men are inexorably drawn to the earth even if they don't want to be. So God promised Israel a New Covenant of Law that was better. The Law was the same Law given by Moses, but the New Covenant would be, like the law of sin and death, be inscribed INSIDE the man, not outside on stone Tablets. This would create a bias in the Israelite where he would intrinsically tend toward keeping the Law. Jeremiah 31:31-33 says that this New Covenant would only be given "in the day" when the ten northern Tribes called Israel, and the two southern Tribes called Judah, were ONE NATION AGAIN and IN THEIR LAND.

So if nothing changed, Israel would stay under chastisement until God extended mercy on them and gathered them back to their Land. The Law does not change one bit. Not a "jot" or "tittle" would be modified or moved from its contents, until the present heaven and earth as we know it, was removed.

But something did change. The councils of the Almighty are immutable, and Jehovah did not intend man to display Him by Laws. In Genesis 2 God lays forth how a man, and men, might display Him properly. The way He chose was that man would eat of Christ and thus become organically one with Christ. You are what you eat. Within hours of eating something it permeates your entire being. And if one ate Jesus, one would, within the shortest time, be partakers of His nature. If a man had the nature of Christ he would automatically display Jehovah in every thought, word and deed. The example of this is Jesus Himself. He, from His mother's womb, did only that which His Father commanded and that which He saw His Father do. A dog barks, not because it is commanded to bark. It does it by NATURE. Our Lord Jesus was obedient in all not through a deep self-discipline. He was obedient by nature. This is a far superior way of displaying something. The "something" is not outside the person. It is intrinsic. It is organically one with the person. He is not subject to Law of Words. He is now subject to a Law of LIFE.

But the depths of man's depravity are unfathomable and relentless. Israel refuse Jesus Christ and His NATURE - which was to be had by believing in Him. By refusing Jesus, the CONTRACT REMAINS. Israel's Covenant of Law stands. Neither men, nor God, once having made a Contract, annul it. And so Israel's path was one of Law. The only thing that God can do is make a New COVENANT, but with the same conditions. But what of those Israelites who embraced God's plan to infuse a second and divine nature into men? This presents a major problem. The Law, the conditions of this Contract of Law, forbade Israelites to have relations with Gentiles. An Israelite who embraced Christ could not meet or have fellowship with a Gentile - by God's decree. So the UNITY of the believers was annulled by the Law. How does God solve this problem of His own decree? Beautifully - as always.

God sets forth a New BIRTH and a resulting New Man. And because this New Man comes out of Christ (like Eve came out of Adam), this New Man is a totally New Creature WITHOUT A PAST (2nd Cor.5:17). The Israelite who embraces Christ might be an Israelite to the authorities in Tel Aviv who issue passports, but to God he has no past. The Inuit of Alaska might have a U.S. passport, but if he believes in Jesus he is a New Creation and has no past. But immediately the objection will be raised that the New Man has no past but the Law remains. It is guaranteed an existence till the White Throne in Revelation 20 when heaven and earth flee. So AGAIN, God applies the death of Christ. If you were under Law and you came out of Christ, then you also went to death IN him and Law ceases at death (Rom.7:1-6; 1st Cor.7:39). Those who are IN CHRIST are freed from Law because the One Who fulfilled the Law in every aspect died. Those IN Christ have no past. Their beginning is not the womb but the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. The Law that the believer finds himself under is the LAW OF LIFE.

The Law of Moses, which, forbidding relations between Israelite and Gentile, and which would have destroyed the unity of believers, is NAILED - WITH CHRIST -on the cross. But listen now. This end of the Law ONLY APPLIES TO THE BELIEVER!!!!! The Israelite who had a Covenant is STILL UNDER LAW!!!! Only those IN CHRIST have NO LAW. Our Lord Jesus started a new creation at His resurrection, and in this new creation His LIFE REIGNS - His NATURE is the governing force. But the Jew who refuses Christ is still governed by Moses. This is no more clearly seen that the condition for the recovery and restoration of Israel. The restoration of Israel is NOT dependent on believing in Christ. It is that Israel turn back to the LAW (Deut.30:1-5).

In summary;
  • The Law is only given to Israel. The Gentile is governed by conscience
  • The Law is good and given by God
  • The Law was given like a schoolmaster until Jesus came
  • If an Israelite does not want Jesus he remains under CONTRACT of Law
  • Christ fulfilled the Law and then went to death - ending the Law
  • If an Israelite embraces and believes in Jesus, he is counted to be IN Christ and He died, ending the demands of law
  • Those IN Christ are subject to Christ's LIFE - the divine nature in Him (2nd Pet.1:4)
  • The Law will not pass till heaven and earth pass. The CONTRACT WILL. It is NOT, "a new law", it is a New COVENANT
 
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Ultimateprepper said:
I feel led by the spirit to share this to whoever the spirit leads to receive it. Now there are some who are under the false doctrine that God's Divine commandments have been blotted out and nailed to cross and were a curse not a blessing. I will refute this lie with the truth of the Holy Spirits teaching. Now before we begin In no way or form am I saying obedience to reliance on or observance of Gods commandments makes you righteous or secures your salvation I know the word says (Rom. 10:10) For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. First lets expose the lie and find out what was truly blottened out and was a curse (not 10 commandments) and nailed to the cross and find out what was fulfilled by final sacrifice of Christ Jesus our Lord. (Rom. 7:11-14) 11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it (using it as a weapon) slew (killed) me. 12 Wherefore the law is holy, ( not a curse) and the commandment holy, (again not a curse) and just, and good. 13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me (without the Spirit) by that which is good(as a weapon); that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal (of flesh), sold under sin (sold into slavery under control of sin). You see clearly it states gods commandments are not a curse but used as a weapon against us before we had received spirit of Christ where there is no condemnation for sin. The curse wasn't the commandments it was that we were in bondage having to live in flesh without the spirit. Now here is where the false doctrine originates from. (Gal. 3:10) For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. What is this book they speak of? Well lets let the bible explain itself and not make our own assumptions. Lets see is it the 10 commandments, that can't be GOD came down as a consuming fire and wrote them with his own finger in stone (not a book). What about (Deu. 31:26) Take this book(again not 10 commandments) of the law, and put it in the side ( not in) of the ark of the covenant of the lord your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee. You can read Deu. 31 if you want to know more of this book their is a song written in it as a witness against children of Israel (again not 10 commandments). Now lets reiterate what we have already established. Gods commandments are good, holy, just(not a curse and against thee). Lets read commandment 5 together Honor thy mother and father, that your days may be long in the land the lord your god gives you. Does that sound like blessing or curse,for you or against you(rhetorical). Now the true curse that's nailed to cross (Col. 2:14) 14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances (webster- an authoritative decree or direction; a prescribed usage, practice, or ceremony) that was against us (not 10 commandments they're holy), which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross. I got it these are without a doubt the ceremonial ordinances one had to practice and follow to become justified and cleansed in the sight of the lord (circumcision, sacrifices, etc.) but we don't live in the flesh under the law of sin and death we live by the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus. Christ's final sacrifice erased all those burdens of living under that old law (in flesh) which was the curse not God's holy, just, divine, commandments which when we are obedient to are a blessing. So do we follow and keep Gods commandments to be justified and secure salvation nooo! That is only received through life in Christ. So lets see what holy spirit teaches now that we have exsposed this lie of Satan which is false doctrine. First lets find out where Gods commandments are surely not blotted out I found them now put your hand over your heart now you found them and are they not embedded in your mind. (Heb. 10:14-16) For by one offering (Jesus Christ) he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 15 whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, 16 This is the covenant that i will make with them after those days, saith the Lord (not man); I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them. God also says (1 John 5:3) For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. (1 John 2:3-7) 3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. 6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked. 7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment, which you had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which you have heard from the beginning. Read parable of the unprofitable servant (Luke 17:5-10) to see we are doing will of god when we keep his commandments. So here's warning about false teachers (Col. 2:8) Beware lest any man spoil (hold you captive) you through (so called) philosophy vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments (principles) of the world, and not after Christ. We in the spirit stay ( Col. 2:7) Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. And this is how we may discern ( daily by experience) that we are coming to know him- to perceive, recognize, understand and become better acquainted with him- if we keep ( bear in mind, observe, practice) His teachings (precepts, commandments) so that Christ's life may be lived in us and through us and I pray all of you who received this in the spirit that know this is Spirit of truth in me that shares this with you. (Psalm 1) 2 But his delight is in the law of the Lord; and in his law doeth he meditate day and night. 3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper. (Isa. 40:8) The grass withereth, the flower fadeth, but the word of our god shall stand forever. And this is for all who Don't understand (1 Cor. 2:14) But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. ( Mat. 5:17) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. (Then there is a new beginning)
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Very few people are going to read this wall of text, and therefore very few are going to get the gist of your argument.

Next time, break up your post into bite-size chunks, putting blank lines between as I have done here.

That way, it will be much easier to read and will engender more response.
 
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Dino246 said:
Very few people are going to read this wall of text, and therefore very few are going to get the gist of your argument.

Next time, break up your post into bite-size chunks, putting blank lines between as I have done here.

That way, it will be much easier to read and will engender more response.
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It may endanger more responses too.
 
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Dino246 said:
Very few people are going to read this wall of text, and therefore very few are going to get the gist of your argument.

Next time, break up your post into bite-size chunks, putting blank lines between as I have done here.

That way, it will be much easier to read and will engender more response.
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The truth of Gods word is not an argument and I guess its not for you.
 
Ultimateprepper

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Magenta said:
Were the Scripture translators wrong to use paragraph breaks? Are they damned because they did?
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If they added to or took away they would be but I know god approves of verses and chapters think how hard it would be to learn without.
 
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If they added to or took away they would be but I know god approves of verses and chapters think how hard it would be to learn without.
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Then why respond to Dino as you did? You contradict yourself in so doing.
 
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Ultimateprepper said:
If they added to or took away they would be but I know god approves of verses and chapters think how hard it would be to learn without.
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That's odd; I guess He didn't approve of them until the mid-1500's.
 
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Ultimateprepper said:
What is this book they speak of? Well lets let the bible explain itself and not make our own assumptions. Lets see is it the 10 commandments, that can't be GOD came down as a consuming fire and wrote them with his own finger in stone (not a book). What about (Deu. 31:26) Take this book(again not 10 commandments) of the law, and put it in the side ( not in) of the ark of the covenant of the lord your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.
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Deuteronomy 10:5 tells us clearly that the tablets with the ten commandments were put in the ark. The entire book of the Law was put beside the ark, according to Deuteronomy 31:26.

The Law was given to, and the covenant was made with, Moses and Israel. (Exodus 34:27).

Ultimateprepper said:
Now the true curse that's nailed to cross (Col. 2:14) 14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances ... that was against us (not 10 commandments they're holy), which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross. I got it these are without a doubt the ceremonial ordinances one had to practice and follow to become justified and cleansed in the sight of the lord
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You "got it"... from where, exactly? Your explanation does not include that tidbit.

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So lets see what holy spirit teaches now that we have exsposed this lie of Satan which is false doctrine.
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You haven't exposed anything yet.

Ultimateprepper said:
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
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Jesus fulfilled the law and the prophets. He is the completion of the old covenant.

In Galatians, Paul writes, "For as many as are of the works of the Law are under a curse, for it is written, 'Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the Law, to perform them.'" That's the whole law, because circumcision, which was the issue of the day, is not part of the Ten Commandments!

You can either follow the whole law perfectly (which is impossible) or you are guilty of breaking the whole law (James 2:10).
 
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Ultimateprepper said:
I feel led by the spirit to share this to whoever the spirit leads to receive it. Now there are some who are under the false doctrine that God's Divine commandments have been blotted out and nailed to cross and were a curse not a blessing. I will refute this lie with the truth of the Holy Spirits teaching. Now before we begin In no way or form am I saying obedience to reliance on or observance of Gods commandments makes you righteous or secures your salvation I know the word says (Rom. 10:10) For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. First lets expose the lie and find out what was truly blottened out and was a curse (not 10 commandments) and nailed to the cross and find out what was fulfilled by final sacrifice of Christ Jesus our Lord. (Rom. 7:11-14) 11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it (using it as a weapon) slew (killed) me. 12 Wherefore the law is holy, ( not a curse) and the commandment holy, (again not a curse) and just, and good. 13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me (without the Spirit) by that which is good(as a weapon); that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal (of flesh), sold under sin (sold into slavery under control of sin). You see clearly it states gods commandments are not a curse but used as a weapon against us before we had received spirit of Christ where there is no condemnation for sin. The curse wasn't the commandments it was that we were in bondage having to live in flesh without the spirit. Now here is where the false doctrine originates from. (Gal. 3:10) For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. What is this book they speak of? Well lets let the bible explain itself and not make our own assumptions. Lets see is it the 10 commandments, that can't be GOD came down as a consuming fire and wrote them with his own finger in stone (not a book). What about (Deu. 31:26) Take this book(again not 10 commandments) of the law, and put it in the side ( not in) of the ark of the covenant of the lord your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee. You can read Deu. 31 if you want to know more of this book their is a song written in it as a witness against children of Israel (again not 10 commandments). Now lets reiterate what we have already established. Gods commandments are good, holy, just(not a curse and against thee). Lets read commandment 5 together Honor thy mother and father, that your days may be long in the land the lord your god gives you. Does that sound like blessing or curse,for you or against you(rhetorical). Now the true curse that's nailed to cross (Col. 2:14) 14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances (webster- an authoritative decree or direction; a prescribed usage, practice, or ceremony) that was against us (not 10 commandments they're holy), which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross. I got it these are without a doubt the ceremonial ordinances one had to practice and follow to become justified and cleansed in the sight of the lord (circumcision, sacrifices, etc.) but we don't live in the flesh under the law of sin and death we live by the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus. Christ's final sacrifice erased all those burdens of living under that old law (in flesh) which was the curse not God's holy, just, divine, commandments which when we are obedient to are a blessing. So do we follow and keep Gods commandments to be justified and secure salvation nooo! That is only received through life in Christ. So lets see what holy spirit teaches now that we have exsposed this lie of Satan which is false doctrine. First lets find out where Gods commandments are surely not blotted out I found them now put your hand over your heart now you found them and are they not embedded in your mind. (Heb. 10:14-16) For by one offering (Jesus Christ) he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 15 whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, 16 This is the covenant that i will make with them after those days, saith the Lord (not man); I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them. God also says (1 John 5:3) For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. (1 John 2:3-7) 3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. 6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked. 7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment, which you had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which you have heard from the beginning. Read parable of the unprofitable servant (Luke 17:5-10) to see we are doing will of god when we keep his commandments. So here's warning about false teachers (Col. 2:8) Beware lest any man spoil (hold you captive) you through (so called) philosophy vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments (principles) of the world, and not after Christ. We in the spirit stay ( Col. 2:7) Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. And this is how we may discern ( daily by experience) that we are coming to know him- to perceive, recognize, understand and become better acquainted with him- if we keep ( bear in mind, observe, practice) His teachings (precepts, commandments) so that Christ's life may be lived in us and through us and I pray all of you who received this in the spirit that know this is Spirit of truth in me that shares this with you. (Psalm 1) 2 But his delight is in the law of the Lord; and in his law doeth he meditate day and night. 3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper. (Isa. 40:8) The grass withereth, the flower fadeth, but the word of our god shall stand forever. And this is for all who Don't understand (1 Cor. 2:14) But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. ( Mat. 5:17) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. (Then there is a new beginning)
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Very well said. I never understood how people could think otherwise, David himself a loved and treasured servant of God often praised and boasted of God's law and decrees and I myself find that when I will follow his commands and decrees I am filled with life and it satisfies my soul just like how the scriptures do.

I am not burdened with them I am uplifted with them and love fulfilles all of themso it makes sense why when I was a new believer and asked God how do I become strong in him and what does it really mean to be a Christian he responded seek love first above all and everything else will be given
I am one who often searches and probes my heart and soul and his laws and decrees do so as well blotting out any fallacy within me purifying me from the inside for me they are not a burden but a joy and blessing to this day I say to my beloved king how I praise him for his laws and decrees for they fill me feed me and lead me on the path of righteousness anyone who detests them clearly does not understand the purpose of which they were given or the benefits they provide.
Jesus became the law for us yes but that doesn't weaken or blott them out it only strenghtens and increases them except we have his grace and salvation so it is not a heavy burden rather a light yoke that provides blessings inside and out
 
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Deuteronomy 10:5 tells us clearly that the tablets with the ten commandments were put in the ark. The entire book of the Law was put beside the ark, according to Deuteronomy 31:26.

The Law was given to, and the covenant was made with, Moses and Israel. (Exodus 34:27).


You "got it"... from where, exactly? Your explanation does not include that tidbit.


You haven't exposed anything yet.


Jesus fulfilled the law and the prophets. He is the completion of the old covenant.

In Galatians, Paul writes, "For as many as are of the works of the Law are under a curse, for it is written, 'Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the Law, to perform them.'" That's the whole law, because circumcision, which was the issue of the day, is not part of the Ten Commandments!

You can either follow the whole law perfectly (which is impossible) or you are guilty of breaking the whole law (James 2:10).
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You must be the one without spirit I referenced without you cant understand that which is spiritual.
 
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Very well said. I never understood how people could think otherwise, David himself a loved and treasured servant of God often praised and boasted of God's law and decrees and I myself find that when I will follow his commands and decrees I am filled with life and it satisfies my soul just like how the scriptures do.

I am not burdened with them I am uplifted with them and love fulfilles all of themso it makes sense why when I was a new believer and asked God how do I become strong in him and what does it really mean to be a Christian he responded seek love first above all and everything else will be given
I am one who often searches and probes my heart and soul and his laws and decrees do so as well blotting out any fallacy within me purifying me from the inside for me they are not a burden but a joy and blessing to this day I say to my beloved king how I praise him for his laws and decrees for they fill me feed me and lead me on the path of righteousness anyone who detests them clearly does not understand the purpose of which they were given or the benefits they provide.
Jesus became the law for us yes but that doesn't weaken or blott them out it only strenghtens and increases them except we have his grace and salvation so it is not a heavy burden rather a light yoke that provides blessings inside and out
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Blain said:
Very well said. I never understood how people could think otherwise, David himself a loved and treasured servant of God often praised and boasted of God's law and decrees and I myself find that when I will follow his commands and decrees I am filled with life and it satisfies my soul just like how the scriptures do.

I am not burdened with them I am uplifted with them and love fulfilles all of themso it makes sense why when I was a new believer and asked God how do I become strong in him and what does it really mean to be a Christian he responded seek love first above all and everything else will be given
I am one who often searches and probes my heart and soul and his laws and decrees do so as well blotting out any fallacy within me purifying me from the inside for me they are not a burden but a joy and blessing to this day I say to my beloved king how I praise him for his laws and decrees for they fill me feed me and lead me on the path of righteousness anyone who detests them clearly does not understand the purpose of which they were given or the benefits they provide.
Jesus became the law for us yes but that doesn't weaken or blott them out it only strenghtens and increases them except we have his grace and salvation so it is not a heavy burden rather a light yoke that provides blessings inside and out[/QUOTruthNow you truly have Spirit of truth notice how holy spirit discerns holy spirit quite amazing
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So you obey all 613? :rolleyes:

Or are you allowed to pick-and-choose?
 
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So you obey all 613? :rolleyes:

Or are you allowed to pick-and-choose?
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I obey what Jesus said love fulfills the commandments, the tend commandments were given and it isn't even a hard thing yet we as humans fail in being perfect in them but the way I see it as long as love is our our hearts yearning he will naturally guide us in obeying the law and commandments
 
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Now you truly have Spirit of Truth
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The credit goes to God for that, I have always felt a kinship with David both as a writer and also as the relationship he had with God psalms is one of my favorite books in the bible for a good reason I learned all this from reading it and it resonated with me
 
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