TONGUES false teaching.

I guess I don’t understand how its edifying. I mean I only have that one example to go off of. I didn’t know what the pastors wife was saying..she didn’t know and no one around us knew..so how is that edifying?

If I read the Bible..do I need to speak in tongues or prophecy? My Bible is written in English..not that old times version that can’t be understood all that well..but modern language...why would I need to speak in tongues? I also can read the books of Daniel and Revelation..etc and know prophecy...why do I need the gift of it? I may not know what will happen tomorrow..but I know enough prophecy to watch out for what comes next on the prophetic stage.

The last one..to be filled with the Holy Spirit to boldly preach the gospel..now that is useful.

Many think that Jude was talking about praying in tongues based on 1 Cor 14:14

14For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. 15What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also. 16Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?

As you can see from the context, "praying, singing and blessing in the spirit" here meant tongues.

20But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,

Now it might not be conclusive but from the perspective cultural (church vernacular of the day) hermeneutic to suggest that Jude meant this in the same way that Paul did. Was Jude saying praying in tongues? I think so. I base it on 1 Cor 14:14. Can I be 100% dogmatic? No. But I think 1 Cor 14:14 gives me more reason to say that he was than to say that he was not.

The people at pentecost were actually surprised they all could understand...saying what does this mean?

I’m sorry..but is there a gift of healing? We have fake healers..but not real ones that I’ve ever heard of. So..that’s not a thing anymore.

Miracles...like what?

I think God can use anyone to build up another in the faith and he doesn’t need to use anyone speaking in tongues to do it. I’ve had church members build me up in the faith and we all spoke english...no need for tongues here.

Sounds like the wife was edifying herself, speaking to herself and to God.

If she was addressing the church there should have been interpretation after, if she is praying to herself and to God it was something you ignore. If you could not tell which then she was probably being way too loud. LOL

Just keep studying about what New Testament prophecy was about. It is not the same as an OT prophet. It is a gift of exhortation and comfort, and sometimes foretelling of events also. There are examples in Acts. Prophesy means different things in different contexts. Philip had 4 daughters that prophesied when the church met in his house. Pauls example of what it looked like in 1 cor 14 shows a picture of an unbeliever coming in to the meeting and hearing a prophesy and falling down at his feet and declaring that God is in him of a truth. Another example in Acts has someone warning the church of a coming famine so that they can prepare to give to the poor churches that will be effected by it.

But how can we believe you unless you demonstrate this for us.

No, she did it all the time and she wasn’t speaking to herself but loud enough for me to hear..and she didn’t talk about what she said..she didn’t seem to know..so she wasn’t really edifying herself either.

I just don’t think those gifts are in use anymore honestly...but I will prayerfully consider that opinion.

Some people just don't know how to act decent and in order in the church.

Your avatar with a cross in the American flag reminded me of Dominionism. Are you in favor of Dominionism?

What is Dominionism: The theory or doctrine that Christians have a divine mandate to assume positions of power and influence over all aspects of society and government.

They got their answer when Peter preached.

Frankly, your reasoning is deeply flawed: "We have fake healers, not real ones, so it's not a thing." That's circular reasoning. I am aware of several cases of divine healing. If there is fakery, doesn't that suggest they are faking something real? People create counterfeits of real things, not non-real things.

I suggest you do some reading. Loren Cunningham's Is That Really You, God? and Lee Strobel's The Case for Miracles for starters.

Did you miss the point about "tongues" not being merely speaking in other learned languages? Whether you think that "speaking in tongues" is needed or not is beside the point. It's explained in Scripture, it's a gift of the Holy Spirit for the Church, and I will submit to God's greater wisdom as to what is needed.

When I first read about all this I was in jail. No church background or knowledge. I had never seen anything to turn me off.

I just read about it in the bible and it was exciting to me. I had been born again and was growing strong in the Lord everyday and I was hungry for all that God had for me.

I believed everything I read, the resurrection of Jesus was real and He was alive right now.

They spoke in tongues, I believed it.

It appeared to me that everyone got it when I read Acts so I asked for it and received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and the gift of tongues.

I never once thought to myself when I was reading about it. "I don't think I need that." Or, "I don't think God is still doing that today." I was exited and praying in faith for these things to happen to me. Then I found out that there were teachings that said we should not expect it and that surprised me. I rejected that idea immediately. I was going to expect it.

A chaplain visited me and he laid hands on me and prayed with me and I was baptized in the Holy Ghost and spoke in tongues.

I did not understand why people could read the same scriptures I read and not have the same expectation and faith and the same experience that I had.

Then I had to ask myself "Is it because I had not been tainted or heard these explanations about how it was not for today?" Or "Did I have a different reaction to these things because I saw them as positives and others see them as negatives?" I just could never understand deprecating the gifts of the Holy Spirit. I would be so disappointed if I could only read about them but not have them. That would be tragic.

So in conclusion I believe the reason I had a different experience when learning about them is because of FAITH. It really is that simple.

I appreciate that..the only reason I haven’t totally said it’s bogus is because the Bible talks about it..which is why maybe I should pray about it.

What makes it hard to take serious though is all the fake healers and prophets out there. I do think that God can work miracles in peoples lives but does he have to use healers to heal and if not are they needed?
Does God really have prophets nowadays or are they fake as well? There was a pastor/prophet that was getting popular with the election and his prophecy where I think he said there would be an invasion of Chinese troops..however if you listen to how he interpreted his dreams..one wonders how he came up with that.
Also I may have too much common sense to be able to understand these gifts.

Sure but in the beginning they didn’t know what was happening.

I don’t think I have circular reasoning if it’s only the fake healers that get the attention then are there any real ones around? You’d think they’d be really popular especially in the time of COVID.

I think I’ll pray about this and see where this goes..but thanks for the suggestions.

The only reason I haven’t said it’s all bogus is because it is in scripture. I still maintain if I’m in church and we all speak English then why do we need to speak in tongues..but again God’s ways are higher than my way.

are you following the conversation ?

No, he doesn't think that. Today's "tongues" is made up gibberish.

To interpret means to translate. That's obvious unless someone wants to turn "interpret" into something more than it is so it all sounds so spiritual and impressive when the entire thing is fake.


This is a flat out lie. Do you want me to accuse you of teaching no one needs to be saved?

That applies to yourself, not to me.

Paul could have just said "If there is no interpreter don't speak in tongues" But he says "Let him SPEAK (in tongues) to himself and to God" which paints a different picture then just DONT SPEAK.

you seem rather judgemental.
Are you gonna judge me for saying that ?

Paul said to be silent. Don't call him a false teacher. I have only repeated what he taught.

The tongues spoken at Pentecost are the ones inspired by the Holy Spirit. The other tongues that Paul speaks about are human "tongues" that need to be translated.

If it's from the HS, no translating is needed because the tongue is understood perfectly by those that hear it.

That doesn't make sense. People who are speaking in foreign languages are not speaking "with their spirits" (per 14:14); they are speaking with their minds. I addressed this already, but you seem to have missed it.

Where is that in Scripture?

Instead of giving just a few words in response, perhaps you could explain in clear, plain language what, according to you, constitutes the manifestation of the Holy Spirit that Paul called "speaking in unknown tongues", and separately, what constitutes the manifestation of the Holy Spirit that Paul called "interpretation of tongues". Don't conflate them, because Paul didn't.

What miracles can we point to in the last 100 years that we can say are valid?

You are right in questioning 'speaking in tongues'.
How does it edify today?
When you see some "speaking in tongues" it must be questioned and tested.

Paul admonished us to 'test everything and hold fast what is good'.

Here is someone that can be tested.