Are WOMEN Pastors Biblical??

That was not in the worship assembly on the first day of the week when the church assembles together to worship God.

There's no such thing as Sunday sacredness, and if you're using Acts 20:7 as a basis for it, then you should know that the gathering of the saints began at sunset Saturday night and continued to daybreak Sunday morning when Paul left on a journey of 30 miles on foot...which means there was no Sunday morning service nor did Paul recognize it as a day of rest.

The Lord's day is and always has been the seventh day Sabbath, which is a commandment Christians everywhere are breaking every single week, which is astonishing because no one claims the Christian is at liberty to disregard any of the other nine commandments.

There's no such thing as Sunday sacredness, and if you're using Acts 20:7 as a basis for it, then you should know that the gathering of the saints began at sunset Saturday night and continued to daybreak Sunday morning when Paul left on a journey of 30 miles on foot...which means there was no Sunday morning service nor did Paul recognize it as a day of rest.

The Lord's day is and always has been the seventh day Sabbath, which is a commandment Christians everywhere are breaking every single week, which is astonishing because no one claims the Christian is at liberty to disregard any of the other nine commandments.

1 Timothy 3:1-3 .......
"This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; "

How many more do you need.????

Now before you post that several translations use the word "Overseer". Correct. However if you read the entire verses, 1-3 you will see that in verse #2, "Husband of one wife" in the original Greek is ἄνδρα μιᾶς γυναικὸς, andra mias gunaikos.

andra = man, husband. “A man, i.e, an adult male person.”
mias = “One, the first cardinal numeral.”
gunaikos = Woman, wife,

So Paul is clearly telling us that the overseer must be a “MAN of one woman” which is translated as “husband of one wife.” This refutes the counter-argument.

But feel free to believe whatever you want to.

The strongest argument I find is that God gives spiritual gifts, I believe God can give a woman the skills/gifts to be pastor. Keep in mind that women also pray to God about this issue before becoming a pastor, and wait for His answer. Another compelling reason I find is that the Bible says single unmarried men cannot be church leaders:

1 Timothy 3:2 “A bishop (elder) then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach”; 1 Timothy 3:12 “Let deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well”; and Titus 1:6-7 “. . . appoint elders in every city as I commanded you—if a man is blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of dissipation or insubordination...” These three passages suggest that an elder or deacon must be a married man.
However, if that's the case even Jesus and Paul would be unqualified to be pastor.

The authority issue is about the husband and wife relationship; the husband has authority over the wife. However, any random man does not automatically have authority over a woman. If the woman is married, I do think she needs the husband's approval before being pastor. My observation with the female pastors I see is that the husbands are proud of their wives.

It is not my intention to cause an argument or division among the faithful with that question just discussion in a Christian and civil manner.

I have always simply posted the Word of God as it is written. I post this question in order to properly attempt to teach the Word of God....PEROID!

1 Timothy 3:1-2.........
"This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach".

According to the written Word of God, a Pastor can only be a "Male/Man".

Now, before anyone argues that point or disagree with me, remember that the "One" who said..."In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" also was the "One" who said......
"if a "MAN" desire the office of a bishop".

The old Major did not have anything whatsoever to do with what Jesus Christ placed into the Word of God. The old Major just reads it and accepts it as it is written so your disagreements will be with Christ and not me!!!!

Now the question must be WHY would God do that?

1 Timothy 2:13-14 .....
"For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression."

It’s important to understand that Paul does not prohibit women from teaching in all contexts (Titus 2:3; Acts 18:25-26), only from teaching the Bible to men in the church.

Notice that Paul prohibits women from doing two distinct things.

1.
Women may not teach the Bible to men in the church.
2.
Women may not exercise authority over men in the church.

Teaching and exercising authority in the church are the two primary responsibilities of elders, pastors, or bishops. Thus, women are not to hold the office of pastor, but neither are they to perform these particular functions of a pastor over men in the church.

Again, for the inquisitive minds the question is still...WHY is that the case.

I will give you what I think is the reason behinds God's direction.

1.
The creation order is the first reason Paul gives for prohibiting women from teaching or exercising authority in the church.
Paul doesn’t ground his command in cultural considerations or a particular problem with the women in the Ephesian church. Rather, he grounds his command in creation. He says that the reason women are not to teach or exercise authority over men in the church is that....
“Adam was formed first, then Eve”. Paul means that God established Adam as the head and authority of his wife, Eve. God designed men to lead.

2.
The nature of women is the second reason Paul gives for prohibiting them from teaching or exercising authority in the church.
Paul says, “Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor” (1 Tim 2:14). Paul is saying something about the natural constitution of men and women, that men as a class are naturally more fitted to teach and have authority in the church, but women are not.
Dr. Wayne Grudem says, “This is by far the most common viewpoint in the history of the interpretation of this passage” (Evangelical Feminism & Biblical Truth 70).

It's easy to understand logic, when it's so concisely exposed like you just did, people are just not listening to common sense. Not only husbands are to instruct their wives what to do. ANY MAN in church has authority to tell ANY woman what to do and she needs to be quiet, whether she's married to him or not. So completely unknown guys also have rights to insert themselves into people's marriage and tell the wife whatever they see fit. Divorced and widowed adult and elderly women are to go back to their fathers to be under their supervision, but if their father is dead, then it is proper that ALL men in the congregation, young or old, should boss them around, they are women and cannot make mature or spiritual decisions after all.

It's easy to understand logic, when it's so concisely exposed like you just did, people are just not listening to common sense. Not only husbands are to instruct their wives what to do. ANY MAN in church has authority to tell ANY woman what to do and she needs to be quiet, whether she's married to him or not. So completely unknown guys also have rights to insert themselves into people's marriage and tell the wife whatever they see fit. Divorced and widowed adult and elderly women are to go back to their fathers to be under their supervision, but if their father is dead, then it is proper that ALL men in the congregation, young or old, should boss them around, they are women and cannot make mature or spiritual decisions after all.

1 Timothy 3:1-3 .......
"This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; "

How many more do you need.????

Now before you post that several translations use the word "Overseer". Correct. However if you read the entire verses, 1-3 you will see that in verse #2, "Husband of one wife" in the original Greek is ἄνδρα μιᾶς γυναικὸς, andra mias gunaikos.

andra = man, husband. “A man, i.e, an adult male person.”
mias = “One, the first cardinal numeral.”
gunaikos = Woman, wife,

So Paul is clearly telling us that the overseer must be a “MAN of one woman” which is translated as “husband of one wife.” This refutes the counter-argument.

But feel free to believe whatever you want to.

I agree with your exegesis and use of the Greek. What I do not agree with is your total failure to consider the context!!

What is the whole book of 1 Timothy about? It is a private letter from Paul, who mentors Timothy, who is in charge of the church in Ephesus. He is probably referring to specific incidents which are disturbing the church, like the priestesses of Artemis, who loved to be in control, and were probably causing issues, just like Paul encountered with Demetrius and other silver smiths, who were angry that people were converting to Christianity, and cutting into the incomes of those men.

Artemis was not just any goddess, either! Her devotees built Artemis a large temple in Ephesus, which was so beautiful it was one of the 7 wonders of the ancient world. Pilgrims came from everywhere to worship her, and engage in ritual cult sex with the so-called priestesses. Paul was literally overthrowing an entire culture, and he got thrown in jail for it, even though he was released unharmed.

So Paul knew the culture, how wicked Ephesus was, and was offering some specific ways for Timothy in Ephesus to deal with the unruly people. He also did not mention this issue in public letters to the churches in other places. Instead, he deals with specific issues in those churches, like the man in Corinth that Paul points out for sexual immorality which has ended by 2 Corinthians.

He also had strong words for the men in Ephesus. Polygamy was very common in the OT, and certainly in the early part of the 1st century AD. But that was never God's plan. But Paul thought it important enough to bring to Timothy's attention to disqualify men as leaders who had multiple wives!

"husband of one wife" means not having more than one wife. Polyandry is not mentioned, because it was not a popular practice, in the ancient world. There were usually less men in a primitive culture, because of death by war, and because men don't live as long as women, which is statistically correlated today. (When I was a chaplain in LTC, there were 10 elderly, widowed women for every elderly widowed men!)

So, Paul says no to polygamy for men. Which is a rule still being followed today, and not just by leaders.

If you want to use Greek, that is great. But don't post 3 words and them twist them to fit your preconceived ideas about leadership by only men, which contradicts so many other verses.

In actual fact, there really are no verses about the qualifications for a pastor or Shepherd. Paul continues to Eph 3:11 to talk about various offices, and it is loosely translated as "pastor" in many English versions. In fact, it is ποιμένας or poimenas, which means "shepherd" in Greek. Paul only gives qualifications for overseers, or elders in Ephesians. That is because Timothy doesn't need to know the qualification for pastors, because he is the pastor! Which definitely brings out the non-universal aspect of what Paul is saying to Timothy. Paul is giving guidelines to choose people with the right qualifications for the church in 1st century Ephesus.

I attended a church in northern BC, which only allowed men to be elders. There were a lot of other rules, like the man couldn't be divorced, and he had to have his family under tight control. When we needed new elders, the old board met and concluded there was not one man in the church who was qualified to be an elder. When I asked why didn't they find a woman who could do it, and they conceded that they had examined every woman, and none met the qualifications. There was one woman who might have made a good elder, but her husband was unsaved, even though they had a good relationship. Although I think the general rules for behaviour snd being a godly example in 1 Tim 3 are good rules.

I agree with your exegesis and use of the Greek. What I do not agree with is your total failure to consider the context!!

What is the whole book of 1 Timothy about? It is a private letter from Paul, who mentors Timothy, who is in charge of the church in Ephesus. He is probably referring to specific incidents which are disturbing the church, like the priestesses of Artemis, who loved to be in control, and were probably causing issues, just like Paul encountered with Demetrius and other silver smiths, who were angry that people were converting to Christianity, and cutting into the incomes of those men.

Artemis was not just any goddess, either! Her devotees built Artemis a large temple in Ephesus, which was so beautiful it was one of the 7 wonders of the ancient world. Pilgrims came from everywhere to worship her, and engage in ritual cult sex with the so-called priestesses. Paul was literally overthrowing an entire culture, and he got thrown in jail for it, even though he was released unharmed.

So Paul knew the culture, how wicked Ephesus was, and was offering some specific ways for Timothy in Ephesus to deal with the unruly people. He also did not mention this issue in public letters to the churches in other places. Instead, he deals with specific issues in those churches, like the man in Corinth that Paul points out for sexual immorality which has ended by 2 Corinthians.

He also had strong words for the men in Ephesus. Polygamy was very common in the OT, and certainly in the early part of the 1st century AD. But that was never God's plan. But Paul thought it important enough to bring to Timothy's attention to disqualify men as leaders who had multiple wives!

"husband of one wife" means not having more than one wife. Polyandry is not mentioned, because it was not a popular practice, in the ancient world. There were usually less men in a primitive culture, because of death by war, and because men don't live as long as women, which is statistically correlated today. (When I was a chaplain in LTC, there were 10 elderly, widowed women for every elderly widowed men!)

So, Paul says no to polygamy for men. Which is a rule still being followed today, and not just by leaders.

If you want to use Greek, that is great. But don't post 3 words and them twist them to fit your preconceived ideas about leadership by only men, which contradicts so many other verses.

In actual fact, there really are no verses about the qualifications for a pastor or Shepherd. Paul continues to Eph 3:11 to talk about various offices, and it is loosely translated as "pastor" in many English versions. In fact, it is ποιμένας or poimenas, which means "shepherd" in Greek. Paul only gives qualifications for overseers, or elders in Ephesians. That is because Timothy doesn't need to know the qualification for pastors, because he is the pastor! Which definitely brings out the non-universal aspect of what Paul is saying to Timothy. Paul is giving guidelines to choose people with the right qualifications for the church in 1st century Ephesus.

I attended a church in northern BC, which only allowed men to be elders. There were a lot of other rules, like the man couldn't be divorced, and he had to have his family under tight control. When we needed new elders, the old board met and concluded there was not one man in the church who was qualified to be an elder. When I asked why didn't they find a woman who could do it, and they conceded that they had examined every woman, and none met the qualifications. There was one woman who might have made a good elder, but her husband was unsaved, even though they had a good relationship. Although I think the general rules for behaviour snd being a godly example in 1 Tim 3 are good rules.

I am not taking a side now, were we not told go into the world preaching the Gospel? Could a woman teach , other women while under the authority of men. I have wondered about this?

The whole controversy comes from a misunderstanding of 2 Tim 2:12. What did Paul mean when he said "I suffer not a woman to TEACH, nor usurp authority over a man"

A popular view among some denominations is that he meant TEACH the Bible in Church. And that being a Pastor or even teaching the Bible in church when men are in the audience was usurping authority over the man.

However, by comparing 1 Pet 3 with 1 Tim 2:11 it is obvious that the same subject is being discussed, that of the wife toward the husband. So then the TEACH, here is explained with the connected "usurp authority over the man" and Adam and Eve is mentioned further explaining that it is the Wife and the Husband relationship and submission that the is talking about. And of course that is clearly the subject in 1 Pet 3 which uses the same wording as 1 Tim 2:11. Howbeit Peter uses the example of Sarah and Abraham.
Sarah Abraham = Husband and Wife
Adam Eve = Husband and Wife

Now concerning Teaching all that Jesus has commanded as we go into all the world and make disciples. This is called the Great commission and we believe that it is directed to all believers. Men and Women. We know this beyond a shadow of a doubt because after Jesus told them this he then says "WAIT.. in the city of Jerusalem until you are endued with power from on High and then you shall be witnesses to me to the uttermost parts of the earth.

So he says Go, and teach all nations... But Wait until you are empowered by they Holy Spirit to carry out this mandate... Then they are all in the upper room praying and the women are specifically pointed out as part of this group of 120. Then all 120 speak in tongues including the women. Then Peter points out to the crowd that the fact that these DAUGHTERS and HANDMAIDENS are prophesying (Joels prophesy) is God's Plan and God's Method. Later in the house of Cornelius he pointed out that Gentiles also were included, but on the day of Pentecost Peter makes it clear to everyone that Women are included. NOT FOR SALVATION ONLY BUT TO BE WITNESSES AND TO GO INTO ALL THE WORLD AND TEACH ALL NATIONS, which was why they were waiting in the city of Jerusalem for the enduement from power from on high in the first place.

Therefore Paul would never teach that women who were pointed out by Peter as recipients of the empowering of the Holy Spirit to be witnesses and to TEACH all nations whatsoever Jesus had commanded were no longer part of that commission to TEACH all nations.

This fact had already been well established since the day of Pentecost and Paul would not be contradicting that.

This is how you can know that men have misinterpreted Paul's intended message concerning the wife toward her husband and teaching him in a way that is usurping authority over him and tried to make it a New Testament Commandment to exclude women from the great commission which is specifically to TEACH all nations.

So take a stand. Be on the side of Jesus. He Baptizes in the Holy Spirit Women for the specific call to Go and Teach All Nations and this fact cannot be disputed by those who are intellectually honest with the scripture. They must concede that 1) the reason they were to wait was to be endued with power from on high to carry out the commission "go and teach all nations" and 2) Women were pointed out specifically by Peter as being recipients of this empowering.

If they refuse to concede to these two points., walk away, they are are not honest and oppose themselves for their love of idol denomination teachings.

Angela53510 has taught me. I am a man. So Women can teach men without usurping authority over them. Reading these verses it is obvious that Paul was addressing specific issues in specific churches and not contradicting Peter's having pointed out on the day of Pentecost that Women were included to receive the enduement of power from on high to prophesy and to TEACH all nations.

I suppose it is biblical in the sense that it says not to do that in the Bible.