Are WOMEN Pastors Biblical??
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yes I’m saying the same thing I’m not sure but also appreciate your thoughts to consider
It takes a lot of assumptions and interpretations sometimes to get to a place but in scripture I’m not comfortable doing that .
I don’t think it’s meant to change with the times of the world and the gospel would adapt as people changed . I think believers are Meant to conform to the word and not the church to the world .
I think with Paul’s letters it’s really important to read what he himself is saying about his own teachings and words
It’s not as if Paul was claiming every word he spoke was the commandment of God he often makes the point like this
“But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment.
I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I.”
And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:”
I think rather than interpreting it as if the world had changed so the church needs to adapt to Modern cultures , we should just let what’s there decide what’s a commandment and what Paul kid saying is just his own judgement he actually does this quite often. In his letters
which is why that part is so clear when he says “ let them acknowledge what I say is the lords commandment “ because he does that often in his letters sometimes he says “I’m just talking as myself as a man” , other times he says “I’m speaking foolishness to you “
other times he says” I’m not speaking this as a mere man , but in speaking this in christs authority “ I think Paul is very misunderstood today , his role , his letters , his doctrine .
but if we let the book of acts , and his epistles speak for themselves he holds a wealth of gems understanding he was a
Man like us , who was chosen by the lord to speak the gospel and enabled by the lord to do so . Paul brags of his own imperfections and failures at times makes clear at times he’s not speaking for the lord at that moment but is offering his own judgements
other times he specifically makes the point that what he’s saying is of God
Because he’s talking to Timothy and Timothy was to carry on his ministry and Paul says “ I do not permit a woman to teach “ to me it just raises a bit of conflict , I think as I’m studying more I’m inserstdandingnit better and it’s beginning to reconcile as being Paul’s instruction regarding ministry specifically ,
and his reasoning being that “the first time around it was the women’s fault “
So therefore “ don’t allow her to take part in the ministry this time “ and that just doesn’t make sense with the rest of Paul’s teachings , though it’s fully acceptable it doesn’t mean it makes any sense , and doesn’t go against the rest of his teachings bout the curse being removed through baptism
It takes a lot of assumptions and interpretations sometimes to get to a place but in scripture I’m not comfortable doing that .
I don’t think it’s meant to change with the times of the world and the gospel would adapt as people changed . I think believers are Meant to conform to the word and not the church to the world .
I think with Paul’s letters it’s really important to read what he himself is saying about his own teachings and words
It’s not as if Paul was claiming every word he spoke was the commandment of God he often makes the point like this
“But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment.
I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I.”
And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:”
I think rather than interpreting it as if the world had changed so the church needs to adapt to Modern cultures , we should just let what’s there decide what’s a commandment and what Paul kid saying is just his own judgement he actually does this quite often. In his letters
which is why that part is so clear when he says “ let them acknowledge what I say is the lords commandment “ because he does that often in his letters sometimes he says “I’m just talking as myself as a man” , other times he says “I’m speaking foolishness to you “
other times he says” I’m not speaking this as a mere man , but in speaking this in christs authority “ I think Paul is very misunderstood today , his role , his letters , his doctrine .
but if we let the book of acts , and his epistles speak for themselves he holds a wealth of gems understanding he was a
Man like us , who was chosen by the lord to speak the gospel and enabled by the lord to do so . Paul brags of his own imperfections and failures at times makes clear at times he’s not speaking for the lord at that moment but is offering his own judgements
other times he specifically makes the point that what he’s saying is of God
Because he’s talking to Timothy and Timothy was to carry on his ministry and Paul says “ I do not permit a woman to teach “ to me it just raises a bit of conflict , I think as I’m studying more I’m inserstdandingnit better and it’s beginning to reconcile as being Paul’s instruction regarding ministry specifically ,
and his reasoning being that “the first time around it was the women’s fault “
So therefore “ don’t allow her to take part in the ministry this time “ and that just doesn’t make sense with the rest of Paul’s teachings , though it’s fully acceptable it doesn’t mean it makes any sense , and doesn’t go against the rest of his teachings bout the curse being removed through baptism
I agree. While all believe we're in the last days, not everyone sees the political, industrial, and religious organizations all preparing the way for the Antichrist as the elitists have been setting this up for a while now.
In order for the religious part to comply, people have to be placed at the tops of all religious establishments, including seminaries to bow to the Antichrist's whims. The stage is nearly set.
In order for the religious part to comply, people have to be placed at the tops of all religious establishments, including seminaries to bow to the Antichrist's whims. The stage is nearly set.
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These scriptures all relate to the marriage relationship & general christian ethics. All of them.
You really ought to try another version besides the KJV. It's perverted with sexual inequality.
Gal 3:23(NAS)But before faith came, [ah]we were kept in custody under the Law, being confined for the faith that was destined to be revealed. 24Therefore the Law has become our [ai]guardian to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. 25But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a [aj]guardian. 26For you are all sons and daughters of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is[ak]neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if you [al]belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s [am]descendants, heirs according to promise.
Not 2 separate unequal groups but fully & equally one in Christ, for God is no respector of persons.
You really ought to try another version besides the KJV. It's perverted with sexual inequality.
Gal 3:23(NAS)But before faith came, [ah]we were kept in custody under the Law, being confined for the faith that was destined to be revealed. 24Therefore the Law has become our [ai]guardian to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. 25But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a [aj]guardian. 26For you are all sons and daughters of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is[ak]neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if you [al]belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s [am]descendants, heirs according to promise.
Not 2 separate unequal groups but fully & equally one in Christ, for God is no respector of persons.
Allow me to ask you to consider this.
Paul puts himself in the category of being “unmarried” in 1 Corinthians 7:8. The word “unmarried” translates the Greek word agamos.
Paul uses the term agamos to refer to those who have been married but now are no longer married.
The context of agamos in 1 Corinthians 7:8 is dominated by Paul’s instructions to those who are married or who have been married.
The Greek word for “widower” was not in use during the Koine period.
The word for “unmarried” appears to be the masculine word for someone who has lost a spouse.
As a good Pharisee, it is highly unlikely that Paul would have been single his entire life.
Therefore, many Bible scholars believe that Paul was a widower.
Paul puts himself in the category of being “unmarried” in 1 Corinthians 7:8. The word “unmarried” translates the Greek word agamos.
Paul uses the term agamos to refer to those who have been married but now are no longer married.
The context of agamos in 1 Corinthians 7:8 is dominated by Paul’s instructions to those who are married or who have been married.
The Greek word for “widower” was not in use during the Koine period.
The word for “unmarried” appears to be the masculine word for someone who has lost a spouse.
As a good Pharisee, it is highly unlikely that Paul would have been single his entire life.
Therefore, many Bible scholars believe that Paul was a widower.
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I’m shocked, beyond shocked at words I have read on this feed.
“With all due respect, That idea is NOT Biblical but instead it is a denominational teaching to get around the directions given by Paul.
“A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent” (1 Timothy 2:11–12)”
Jesus cleaned a woman’s feet he was so in awe of her enlightenment. He knew she saw more than most men and honoured that. You don’t? You never will.
“With all due respect, That idea is NOT Biblical but instead it is a denominational teaching to get around the directions given by Paul.
“A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent” (1 Timothy 2:11–12)”
Jesus cleaned a woman’s feet he was so in awe of her enlightenment. He knew she saw more than most men and honoured that. You don’t? You never will.
Where do people come up with such bizarre accusations? Do you know anything about the King James Bible, or are you just spouting off? The translators only translated that which was found in the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts, and this translation is supported by the majority of manuscripts in existence. So how could this Bible "pervert" anything?
Getting back to the subject, no one in their right mind and with complete objectivity can claim that the Bible DOES NOT spell out the different roles of men and women in the home and in the church. You can call it inequality or you can call it distinction by gender. And there are sound spiritual and divine reasons why women are NOT permitted to preach, teach, or usurp authority in the churches, just as they are to submit themselves to their own husbands at home. This is not according to human whims and fantasies but according to directives from God and Christ.
It should be noted in this context that both the Catholic and Orthodox churches have traditionally barred women from their priesthoods, and these churches go all the way back to the first and fourth centuries. Furthermore they have also taught women to cover their heads during Christian worship. These churches do have many teachings which are inconsistent with Scripture, but here they have followed the Word of God.
Getting back to the subject, no one in their right mind and with complete objectivity can claim that the Bible DOES NOT spell out the different roles of men and women in the home and in the church. You can call it inequality or you can call it distinction by gender. And there are sound spiritual and divine reasons why women are NOT permitted to preach, teach, or usurp authority in the churches, just as they are to submit themselves to their own husbands at home. This is not according to human whims and fantasies but according to directives from God and Christ.
It should be noted in this context that both the Catholic and Orthodox churches have traditionally barred women from their priesthoods, and these churches go all the way back to the first and fourth centuries. Furthermore they have also taught women to cover their heads during Christian worship. These churches do have many teachings which are inconsistent with Scripture, but here they have followed the Word of God.
There is no reason women cant be preachers of the word. Many are now and more will be. What timothy wrote at tlme was for the time. what he wrote was in no way a commandment. Love fufils the law, that is a commanment. If a womanpreaches love of God she is following exactly the word give by Jesus. So let her be.
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Nor did He ever place them above men in relation to their God given authority.
God places women under the authority of men not to abuse them but to protect them and bless them. Any man who abuses his authority toward women abuses his relationship with God.
The church does not stand ahead of Christ and women do not stand ahead of the man.
It is rebellion for a woman to endeavor to pastor a church.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
God places women under the authority of men not to abuse them but to protect them and bless them. Any man who abuses his authority toward women abuses his relationship with God.
The church does not stand ahead of Christ and women do not stand ahead of the man.
It is rebellion for a woman to endeavor to pastor a church.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I am curious to know how preaching equates to exercising authority over men.
Any ideas? Just asking you cuz I know you are a smart guy and well versed in Scripture.
Also, so many speak about men being the head over the woman, but what if husband gives wife the okay
to preach? Is that some breach of... protocol? Does any other man have a right to contradict the matter?
Any ideas? Just asking you cuz I know you are a smart guy and well versed in Scripture.
Also, so many speak about men being the head over the woman, but what if husband gives wife the okay
to preach? Is that some breach of... protocol? Does any other man have a right to contradict the matter?
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I gave these examples before & they weren't a problem.
Colossians 4:15
New American Standard Bible
Greet the brothers and sisters who are in Laodicea and also Nympha and the church that is in her house.
The KJV 1611 purposely translated Nympha to Nymphas. The greek word "nymph" always declares a female & can only be a female. Scholars have checked historical documents & not found a single Nymphas because it doesn't exist.
The 1611 also purposely inserted the word "bishop" to cement the position of the Archbishop of Canterbury in the Church of England. These are only 2 examples.
So yes, the KJV is tainted with man-made ideas.
In the marriage & individual behavior, yes, but not in ministries.
Colossians 4:15
New American Standard Bible
Greet the brothers and sisters who are in Laodicea and also Nympha and the church that is in her house.
The KJV 1611 purposely translated Nympha to Nymphas. The greek word "nymph" always declares a female & can only be a female. Scholars have checked historical documents & not found a single Nymphas because it doesn't exist.
The 1611 also purposely inserted the word "bishop" to cement the position of the Archbishop of Canterbury in the Church of England. These are only 2 examples.
So yes, the KJV is tainted with man-made ideas.
In the marriage & individual behavior, yes, but not in ministries.
Church of England formally approves plans for women bishops
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-30074257
They finally did it in 1994. But they still cannot serve in the hierarchy.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-30074257
They finally did it in 1994. But they still cannot serve in the hierarchy.