Would God Have us Solve Confusion of baptisms?

completely Non biblical theory quoting several in associated verses which in no way support the posts conclusion . The simple notification of the spirit calling others babies speaking down to them gives it away and shows the flaw of the “ Grace revolution “

this post highlights the aim of this grave doctrine that eliminates everything the Bible actually teaches people to believe and do .

ultimately baptism is not complicated it is a promise from God that your sins are remitted by the death of Jesus Christ and your faith in that truth results in the act of being baptized .

we’re baptized because we believe what God said our baptism , but then somewhere along the line someone said “ hey , do we really need to actually get baptized ? like Gods word said or does the word grace eliminate what God said to do for salvation ?”

Christians always tend to explain things that are plain and offer faith for a believe , away with an explaination that directs them away from belief of what’s plainly written .

we can actually know about baptism if we learn what the scripture says and believe it .

Jesus willingly shed his blood for the remission of sins

“for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many unto remission of sins.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭26:

It’s one of the first principles of the gospel

“For I delivered unto you first of all that which also I received: that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:3‬ ‭

that’s the same principle as him shedding his blood , he gave his life because we are sinners . Baptism is very very important because it’s actually the only method God has ever provided for remission of sins. So here’s the difference

“Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.

And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:21, 23-24‬ ‭

or we can believe and be baptized into christs death for our sins

“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:3-4‬ ‭

so that we aren’t those who die in our sins and are cursed but we who die in the lord and are blessed

“And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭14:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the idea that the term grace cancels out clear and basic doctrine is not a good idea

in allOf Gods word baptism is the oath of a clear conscience made by God to the believer who is baptized it’s important in the operation of salvation a
Matter of faith

“The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭3:21-


Because of the gospel and what Jesus said

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and the understanding of remission of sins when someone hears and is baptized they have Gods own word testifying of salvation

It’s Gidsnoffer and thier answer to a clear conscience knowing thier sins are remitted not because we think it , but because Gid said it and we heard and believed and then did what he said by faith

it’s important it’s about the remission of sins in christs death

That's not what scripture says.

Which verse says without Water baptism you go to hell ?

I found your OP to be a bit confusing but appreciate the effort it took to compose it. Glad to have you as part of our community. Welcome to CC.

Where is water in Romans 6 ?

I never said that. Why don't you read what I have said, and then ask me about what I did say. Instead of imposing words upon me.

The word baptism. Yep it is washing with water.

Not washing but submersion or immersion.

Yes, the immediate "texts where they are used," And,
Also God's "Larger Contexts" under which HE "Placed them!" Amen?

God's Prophetic/Law Context:
Israels 12 baptisms:
https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/12-of-israels-baptisms.197661/

God's Revelation Of The MYSTERY/GRACE Context:
God’s ONE Baptism
https://christianchat.com/threads/gods-one-baptism-for-his-body.197660/post-4498718

Please, Be Very RICHLY Blessed!

throughfaith asked: "Where is water in Romans 6 ?"

Great Question! Well do I remember church of christ elders, years ago, actually
invited my younger brother and me to a "Bible study on "water baptism saves you."
Now, my poor brother didn't know as much as I did at the time, and after about an
hour of discussion, to THEM, he asked the "most stupidest question Ever"
{SAME as above}. Whew!:

One of the older guy's neck turned Beet RED, and he Almost Yelled at us: "It Needs
to be INFERRED! Whew - we knew our pleasant discussion time Was Over, and then
rapidly made our Exit. Hopefully, "good seeds were planted" Especially with one of
the younger lads, that had a Lot of questions of his own.

Today, years later, I still do not believe in this "INFERRED" doctrine,
as this "study" Clearly shows:

God’s ONE Baptism {for Today, Under HIS PURE GRACE!}:
https://christianchat.com/threads/gods-one-baptism-for-his-body.197660/post-4498718

Please, Be Very RICHLY Blessed!

From Mark 7:4
such as the washingβαπτισμοὺς
(baptismous)909: (the act of) a dipping or washingfrom baptizó

Romans 6:4
baptismβαπτίσματος
(baptismatos)908: (the result of) a dipping or sinkingfrom baptizó.

It's an absurd notion that one would be so fastidious over baptism yet believes it does nothing.
But those who believe in the efficacy of baptism have no such legalism over the volume of water or method of application. Those who believe in efficacy refer to ancient writing descriptions, and art depicting baptism. Those who say baptism is nothing also reject the fathers and ancient texts but are legalistic about volume and application.

That is absolutely not true;
Water baptism is required. Start with Acts 2; 38 and many more. You must be a baptist.

The doctrine of baptism is not formed off of a singular verse. Take Mark 16:16 for example, not believing damns people:

16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Or how about 1 Corinthians 1:17, if baptism was so important why didn't Jesus send Paul to do it rather than preach?

17For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

And for the record I am not a baptist. Are you one of the those Church or Christ people?

It takes a long time to read the last 20 posts....
“He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned” (Mark 16:16).

The thief on the cross was not baptized, so why should we be? “He knows our frame; He remembers that we are dust” (Psalm 103:14).
Neither did the thief on the cross restore what he had stolen, as the Lord directs His people in Ezekiel 33:15. God holds us accountable for what we can do, but He also recognizes the limitations of “dust.” He will not require a physical impossibility. Could the thief have come down from the cross, he would have been baptized. Every person who is able should be baptized.

“One Lord, one faith, one baptism” (Ephesians 4:5).
If anything works and everything works why did God say one baptism.
There is only one true baptism. All other so-called baptisms are counterfeits. The word “baptism” comes from the Greek word “baptisma.” It means “to dip under or submerge or immerse.” There are eight Greek words in the New Testament used to describe the application of liquids. But among these various words—meaning to sprinkle, to pour, or to immerse—only the one meaning “to immerse” (baptizo) is used to describe baptism.

Who said she got pregnant before puberty? Your doctrine is not Eastern Orthodox or Roman Catholic on baptism, but you hold to RCC doctrine... plus this pre-puberty thing... on perpetual virginity.

Maybe you treat the Assumption of Moses, the Protoevangel, and the Book of Enoch as if they are all infallible or inspired.

What I see in the Bible is a Jewish man was to provide his wife with food, clothing, and sex. The Bible says Joseph was a righteous man. He knew her not ___until___ she brought forth her first born son. God owns us all. He certainly owns Christians. He owns all kinds of wombs out there. That does not mean that women, or Christian women, cannot have sex with their husbands and have babies. Your argument does not hold up in the light of scripture or plain sense.

The Blessed Virgin Mary, is a type of Mother Eve. GOD does not violate our right of free will. What this revealed was that Mother Eve willingly gave her womb for the Procreation of the Mankind race.

You keep trying to pin point my affiiliation. Well here it is. I am neither catholic, which is mother harlot, nor am i Protestant, or anglican, or orthodox, or 7th day, i am not mormon, nor any denomination. I am neither from the mother harlot, or her daughters. I have already come out of her.

If you knew what the thunderings meant that were sealed, if you understand what the law and the prophet is, if you discovered who or what the mystery bablyon is, then you would know who your enemey is, and you would understand me better.

The Blessed Virgin Mary, had to be in state where Procreation was not possible, to prove that Jesus His Pre-Eminence is GOD. For neither the seed of any man, or egg of any woman, produced HIS body. Who shall couple the body for GOD, except HIM? This is why HIS body had a "mystery divine nature", and why HE was not born in sin.

And no man touched the Blessed Virgin Mary all the days of her life in the earth.

And you have given us no reason to believe that.

Unrevealed religion is dangerous. Unrevealed religious ideas can lead people astray. Our salvation does not rest on the idea of whether Joseph and Mary performed their marital duties toward one another. But your creative ideas on water baptism are contrary to apostolic teaching and practice on an important issue.

What did John the Baptist teach about Baptism? He is the baptist.
All i will say is this, seek for yourself so that when you discover it, you will see for yourself and are not relying on belief in the things I am saying. I have spoken only that which I have known is true.

I know that much of what you have written is false, and much of it contradicts what is revealed in scripture.

It is not. But again, seek it out for yourself. Or, you will discover it in Abrahams Bosom.