Woman can't teach in the congregation

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Dino246

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Scripture is very simple and clear, a bishop/deacon must be a "Married Man"

You can have all the opinions you want, it isn't going to change what's before your eyes.
Repeating yourself while ignoring correction just makes you look stupid.
 
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1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

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1 Cor 14:27If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. 28But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

29Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge. 30If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace. 31For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted. 32And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. 33For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. 35And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
40Let all things be done decently and in order.

The context makes it obvious that both men and women were told to keep silent in the church when it came to doing things that were out of order.
1) Speaking in tongues without an interpreter... be silent in the church
2) When it was someone elses turn to speak... hold his peace (be silent in the church)
3) Asking questions out of order... this is a shame...keep silent in the church.. and ask their husbands at home.

Not everyone is so stupid that they cannot understand context and authorial intent. So attempting to bludgeon people with bad hermeneutics just screams "I CAN"T UNDERSTAN AUTHORIAL INTENT" or "I AM BEING BELIGERANTLY DENOMINATIONALY INTELLECTUALLY DIHONEST" That is what we see when we read these posts.
 
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Scripture is very simple and clear, a bishop/deacon must be a "Married Man"

You can have all the opinions you want, it isn't going to change what's before your eyes.

1 Timothy 3:1-13KJV
1 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.
11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.
12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.
I am sorry. You have lost this debate. You are dismissed. You may step off the stage.
 

Truth7t7

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Women should not Teach or Usurp authority over the man but they are allowed to teach the Bible to a man as Pricilla did to Apollos and she was not usurping authority over him by doing so. The bad interpretation that has been a virus all these years is reading into the text "teach the Bible" or "teach the bible to a man" This is not what he said. He said "Teach or usurp authority over a man." The Greek word translated Teach hear appears only in this one instance in the New Testament. It means Usurp authority over a man. It is a type of teaching that usurps authority over a man. In other words you don't really have to know Greek to understand it since Paul explains what kind of attitude of teaching he is meaning by being verbose and saying "or usurp authority over a man".

If we stick to the text and don't try to apply it to a scenario Paul did not have in mind we can understand it as "Teach / Usurp authority over the man" which is not what happens when a woman teaches the bible to a man. So what scenario would he be talking about? "It is when a woman uninvited take upon herself to teach a man. That would be usurping authority. I am going to teach you what is correct and you must listen to me and do what I say. And the man does not want to hear it. That is something that wives have a problem with. 1 Pet 3 is speaking about the same subject. 1 Pet 3 makes it clear what Paul was talking about because Peter uses the exact same wording as 1 Tim 2:11.

So a woman must not Teach/Usurp authority over a man but a woman can teach the Bible to a man if he wants her to. :) You're welcome! :love: I think the light just turned on for some folks.
Within the church, a woman is to keep silent, a bishop and deacon are to be married men, that rule their house well, it's that simple.
 

Dino246

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Within the church, a woman is to keep silent, a bishop and deacon are to be married men, that rule their house well, it's that simple.
Do women keep completely silent in your church? I doubt it.
 
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Within the church, a woman is to keep silent, a bishop and deacon are to be married men, that rule their house well, it's that simple.
Men are to keep silent in the church also. 1 Cor 14:28... let him keep silence in the church; There it is. It's that simple.

If you say that context is necessary for verse 28 but not in verse 34 you are being a deceiver. Not a very good one since most people would not fall for it, but some who are willing to ignore authorial intent are willing to read something into the text that they want to be true and will ignore the context and join you in your belligerence, pretending to have a scripture to back up their erroneous prejudice and hate. But they cannot fool God. He knows the hearts and motives.

Context is necessary for them both. If it means women cannot speak in the church then it means men cannot speak in the church as they both say the same thing.
14:28... let him keep silence in the church;
14:34Let ...women keep silence in the churches:
Both require context. You have no right to divorce 34 from context. If you do so you must divorce verse 28 from context and have both men and women remain silent in the churches.
 

Truth7t7

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I am sorry. You have lost this debate. You are dismissed. You may step off the stage.
I apoligize for disregarding Gods words, I'll take my purse, dress, and high heels, and vacate the pulpit immediately.
 

Truth7t7

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Men are to keep silent in the church also. 1 Cor 14:28... let him keep silence in the church; There it is. It's that simple.

If you say that context is necessary for verse 28 but not in verse 34 you are being a deceiver. Not a very good one since most people would not fall for it, but some who are willing to ignore authorial intent are willing to read something into the text that they want to be true and will ignore the context and join you in your belligerence, pretending to have a scripture to back up their erroneous prejudice and hate. But they cannot fool God. He knows the hearts and motives.

Context is necessary for them both. If it means women cannot speak in the church then it means men cannot speak in the church as they both say the same thing.
14:28... let him keep silence in the church;
14:34Let ...women keep silence in the churches:
Both require context. You have no right to divorce 34 from context. If you do so you must divorce verse 28 from context and have both men and women remain silent in the churches.
You'll be a lot better off, if you follow Gods simple words, and stop trying to put the man's pants on the woman (y)
 

Truth7t7

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Do women keep completely silent in your church? I doubt it.
The Church I have attended, women dont take the pulpit, nor are they deacons.

Church order, silent as the word is preached by the Bishop/Pastor, no confusion.

Women teach the children and young women, and cook for the potlucks, handiwork for the needs of the church, cooking, etc
 

Dino246

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You'll be a lot better off, if you follow Gods simple words, and stop trying to put the man's pants on the woman (y)
You advocate following "Gods (sic) simple words", but you insist that "pastor" and "elder" are the same thing, when according to God's simple words, they aren't.

I call hypocrisy.
 

Dino246

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The Church I have attended, women dont take the pulpit, nor are they deacons.

Church order, silent as the word is preached by the Bishop/Pastor, no confusion.

Women teach the children and young women, and cook for the potlucks, handiwork for the needs of the church, cooking, etc
Are all silent while the word is preached, or only the women? If the former, how are the women following the Scripture? By the way, who do the unmarried women ask when they have a question?
 

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Do a deep deep study on context, history and linguistics and Greek words and meanings and you might learn something new.:)
Women should not Teach or Usurp authority over the man but they are allowed to teach the Bible to a man as Pricilla did to Apollos and she was not usurping authority over him by doing so. The bad interpretation that has been a virus all these years is reading into the text "teach the Bible" or "teach the bible to a man" This is not what he said. He said "Teach or usurp authority over a man." The Greek word translated Teach hear appears only in this one instance in the New Testament. It means Usurp authority over a man. It is a type of teaching that usurps authority over a man. In other words you don't really have to know Greek to understand it since Paul explains what kind of attitude of teaching he is meaning by being verbose and saying "or usurp authotoover a man".

If we stick to the text and don't try to apply it to a scenario Paul did not have in mind we can understand it as "Teach / Usurp authority over the man" which is not what happens when a woman teaches the bible to a man. So what scenario would he be talking about? "It is when a woman uninvited take upon herself to teach a man. That would be usurping authority. I am going to teach you what is correct and you must listen to me and do what I say. And the man does not want to hear it. That is something that wives have a problem with. 1 Pet 3 is speaking about the same subject. 1 Pet 3 makes it clear what Paul was talking about because Peter uses the exact same wording as 1 Tim 2:11.

So a woman must not Teach/Usurp authority over a man but a woman can teach the Bible to a man if he wants her to. :) You're welcome! :love: I think the light just turned on for some folks.
Interesting

Though, in my experience and History can confirm, any time a woman is"leading" a church, a government, or an Educational system it is unnatural and unbalanced. Men ARE different than Women- God made Men to lead
Part of the FALL is Women taking the lead and making foolish
Emotional based choices
All one has to do is take a look at the current state of the world to see
The product of Feminization.
 

Dino246

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Though, in my experience and History can confirm, any time a woman is"leading" a church, a government, or an Educational system it is unnatural and unbalanced.
Your opinion is noted. As for history, step up and show the evidence. Contrast it with the unblemished record of male leadership.

Men ARE different than Women-
That's the one thing in your whole post with which I can agree.

God made Men to lead
Where is that in Scripture?

Part of the FALL is Women taking the lead and making foolish Emotional based choices
Eve did not take the lead; the serpent approached her. Her deception was not based on emotions, but rather on senses and (misled) reason.

All one has to do is take a look at the current state of the world to see The product of Feminization.
Communism, socialism, Black Lives Matter, Antifa, corruption of the media, corruption of politicians in many nations, wars and rumours of wars, all the product of feminization? Please... the nonsense is over the top.

The truth is that problems in human societies are caused by SIN, not by females in leadership.
 

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And Phoebe was a deacon, therefore the comments about "husband of one wife" must refer to monogamy, not male-only leadership. How many times do I have to tell you this before you learn?
He knows. He simply refuses to believe it.
 

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1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

1 Timothy 2:11-14KJV
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
Abusing scripture to prove your point.
You really ought to search the scriptures about people who twist scripture. You might learn something.
 

Edify

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Within the church, a woman is to keep silent, a bishop and deacon are to be married men, that rule their house well, it's that simple.
Since diakonos means 'servant', does that mean all the females can no longer be God's servants?