Are WOMEN Pastors Biblical??

I said no such thing. However, should you feel the need to confess anything that's on your heart by all means do so....

She cannot speak authoritatively in the ekklesia. Furthermore in the home or in public she is to submit to her husbands authority.

Anything to the contrary would be chaos and mayhem. Leading to a breakdown of the Church and the family. This much is obvious.

You are very welcome.

Actually there is NO debate to be done at all.

God said in 1 Tinothy 3:1-2............
"This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;"

The Word of God is not open for debate.

It is either accepted or it is rejected.

The choice is yours.

She cannot speak authoritatively in the ekklesia. Furthermore in the home or in public she is to submit to her husbands authority.

Anything to the contrary would be chaos and mayhem. Leading to a breakdown of the Church and the family. This much is obvious.

thanks for the reply, but again we reject your assessment, the term "succourer" is plain as day, it’s the feminine of a derivative of G4291
a derivative comes from something else. let us place this in plain view. if I say, "Prophetess", where do it come from, or is derived from? answer, "Prophet", a Prophetess is simply a FEMALE Prophet.

a Female in the same position of a male in General Overseering or Pastoring/Bishop is here in our sister case, a succouer.

PICJAG, 101G.

Irrelevant for an unmarried woman, and irrelevant if she is married and her husband approves of her speaking authoritatively in the ekklesia.

Claiming that a female speaking would be chaos, mayhem, and lead to a breakdown of the Church and family is being dense and silly.

Heavens no. Phoebe was engaged in the same sorts activities as the women during Christ's earthly ministry. Logistics, material support, hospitality, washing the feet of the saints etc.

Women are to remain silent in the church, let alone being a Bishop/Pastor/Deacon

You aren't changing Gods words below, or my opinion of them, simple

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

You might need to read this more than once...

We have gone down quite the rabbit hole, challenging many premises along the way. But to bring things back to the reason we are here...
When I exhaustively defined the connective conjunction ("for") of 1 Tim 2:12 and 1 Tim 2:13-14, the conversation went in this direction:



I then went on to see if you have to understand commandments from God in order to accept them. I chose a relevant commandment to this discussion (to respond to your hermeneutic and bring us back to the topic at hand):


You have not responded to this.
Non-Sequitur. But I decided to consider the challenge (still considering it)...

As a reminder, you wanted this to remain Biblical and without speculation:

I agreed to the tone of conversation (after all, this is the "Biblical discussions page") :
You "liked" this comment, but then removed your "like" for some reason.

Paul was a master of the Law. I am sure he had better insight and was able to point out principles that you may never identify. I will let you agree with me on Paul's superior knowledge of the Law. (again)
...who knows...maybe The Holy Spirit pointed something out that Paul didn't even know about the Law (again, which can mean the torah or the tenak). The possible explanations are endless. But regardless of the explanation, we do have to deal with the text.
You don't have to accept anyone's explanation. You have to accept what has been written...unless...you have evidence that what is written is not, in fact, "the commandment of the Lord". Let's see if you have any evidence...
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After all this, I have 3 things to say (to end this rabbit trail and return to the original subject):
1. The linchpin of your position (that 1 Corinthians 14:4-35 is something Paul is quoting and not "the commandment of the Lord") hangs on an unconfirmed suspicion. It's irrelevant and incredibly insulting to the Holy Spirit.
2. Every time I pin your position down and force you to deal with the simple, obvious Scripture (indicated by the green text above), your hermeneutic is that something has to make sense to you before you can accept it. (hence the red text above). My friend, the Holy Spirit will never teach you anything new if you close your mind this way.
3. For a moment, let's ignore that Paul connected authority with origination more than once (1 Cor 11), and explain to me the definition of the connecting conjunction "for" between 1 Tim 2:12 and 1 Tim 2:13-14. Your "explanation" (post# 943) contains no exegetical analysis of the word "for". It may not seem logical to you (because you don't agree with the obvious conclusion), but what Paul says in 1 Tim 2 is true, just as are the rest of His inspired writings. Every word is true, including the word "for"...

Then go ahead...Tell me what "for" means, contextually in 1 Tim 2:12-14.

Is that what Joyce Myers and Paula White teach?

I believe I have already addressed this, see my post here

https://christianchat.com/threads/are-women-pastors-biblical.196631/post-4525309

and here,

https://christianchat.com/threads/are-women-pastors-biblical.196631/post-4525362

PICJAG, 101G.

Asked and answered. Try not to be a complete idiot.

Your Havent Addressed Anything, Gods Words Are True Below, Simple, Clear, Easy To Understand

Women are to remain silent in the church, let alone being a Bishop/Pastor/Deacon

You aren't changing Gods words below, or my opinion of them, simple

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

What you have written above . . . is this how you operate within your family?

if this is all, then tell us this, "what was these women doing with the apostle Paul?", listen. Philippians 4:3 "And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life."

well I'm sure that they was not "labouring in the kitchen". the verse is Clear, these women was in the GOSPEL.

so I cannot accept your assertion here.

but thanks for the try.

PICJAG, 101G.

I believe I have already addressed this, see my post here

https://christianchat.com/threads/are-women-pastors-biblical.196631/post-4525309

and here,

https://christianchat.com/threads/are-women-pastors-biblical.196631/post-4525362

PICJAG, 101G.

I think we can agree that she was not giving Paul commands.
And yes, she was certainly fulfilling a womans role in SUPPORTING Pauls ministry.

I think we can agree that she was not giving Paul commands.
And yes, she was certainly fulfilling a womans role in SUPPORTING Pauls ministry.

Sadly, that one will ignore what you've posted and repeat his own posts. Save yourself the effort.

There are no male nouns/pronouns here either. Again completely unnecessary.
1 Tim 3:5
(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)