Are WOMEN Pastors Biblical??

If you believe that the Bible is God's inerrant word to us, then you believe that he has presented it to us exactly as intended. Yes, there are translation issues. No, they have no effect on the cause and effect of God's word to us. God's word does exactly as he intends it for each and every one of us.

Endless disputes over technical translation errors suggest that God did not either know about them or allow them. I don't believe God left the translation of his word to us in the hands of fallible men. Challenging the translation and meaning of the Bible is challenging God's work, not man's work.

C. no man interpret any scripture in or for any congergatation, not IN CHRIST. 2 Peter 1:20 "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." that just killed any "preparing weekly sermons, preaching"... lol.

God does not give to every one to hear and understand. Some people understand truth, others do not. So, doctrines vary because there are many doctrines in the world and only one truth.

GINOLJC, to all.
first thanks for the reply, "preparing weekly sermons, preaching"... LOL, " conducting worship services." My God, and NO, it's not your responsibility to interpret biblical scripture for the congregation" LOL, LOL, LOL, that's what worldy pastors do, prepare weekly sermons, and conduct worship service, and WHAT?, interpret biblical scripture, Just as I thought, you have no clue what a biblical pastor duties are. this is why so many of these congregation, (NOT THE CHURCH), are in so much trouble today.

and then you had the nerve to say Paul was not the pastor of a church.... lol, this is just what I mean about unlearned christians, and then want to call someone else "silly". well listen up, the CHURCH is the BODY of Christ, (PEOPLE), not some wooden, or brick structure... LOL, LOL, LOL, see your ignorance now. you think a church is some building structure, (where people gather), and a pastor is the preacher standing in that building speaking?. (well that's the man of SIN)...... in your own words how "SILLY" is that.

and as for Pastors, let get the basic duties first which you have no clue..... Jeremiah 3:15 "And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding." someone who is ignorant and silly would might say, well that's OT, well lets see. Acts 20:28 "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood."

well now, what GOD commanded in the OT is the same today, "to FEED the FLOCK of GOD". which many today as you say, "preparing weekly sermons, preaching". if any Pastor have to PREPARE a sermon, then he or she is not a Pastor of God. that's as you said is "SILLY", and UN-BIBICIAL. because A. it's only ONE PREACHER in the church of God, and that\s God himself, the Lord Jesus. B. a Pastor in Christ do not prepare a sermon, the Word of God is Given, for he or she do not speak, for it is God who speak in them. for we are all ambassador of christ, and a ambassador do not speak he's or her own mind but the mind of him who has sent them. which means one must have the MIND OF CHRIST, 1 Corinthians 2:16. which sets up C. no man interpret any scripture in or for any congergatation, not IN CHRIST. 2 Peter 1:20 "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." that just killed any "preparing weekly sermons, preaching"... lol.

ignorant men like this, (who make up sermons), is what hinder many from coming to Christ. they don't even know the BASIC of what a Pastor is, in or outside the church. and the qualification for a man, (male), to be a Pastor/Bishop is true, 1 Timothy 3:5 "(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)" BINGO, ingorant, "SILLY" men are overseeing some, not all congregation, and they don't even know how to rule their own house... First. that's why many (congregation), are in the ditch today, because of IGNORANT ", silly men, (males), MEN". .... yes "MEN", who are IGNORANT, and SILLY as you used the word. neither apt to TEACH.... meaning to FEED, yes those "prepared", TV DINNER sermons. no wonder so many congregation are WEAK, and SICK, amoung us, eating all those "prepared", TV DINNER sermons. it's ashame being feed a TV dinner sermon, instead a wholesome cook meal from scratch, straight from God himself. and as said, many are sick, weak, and dying... Just as the scriptures states,
1 Corinthians 11:28 "But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup."
1 Corinthians 11:29 "For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body."
1 Corinthians 11:30 "For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep." sleep? .... DEAD, from eating to many "prepared", TV DINNER sermons.

we suggest one re-read this post...... either you awake unto righteousness, or you can sleep in INGORANCE... your choice.

PICJAG,
101G.

GINOLJC, to all.
first thanks for the reply, "preparing weekly sermons, preaching"... LOL, " conducting worship services." My God, and NO, it's not your responsibility to interpret biblical scripture for the congregation" LOL, LOL, LOL, that's what worldy pastors do, prepare weekly sermons, and conduct worship service, and WHAT?, interpret biblical scripture, Just as I thought, you have no clue what a biblical pastor duties are. this is why so many of these congregation, (NOT THE CHURCH), are in so much trouble today.

and then you had the nerve to say Paul was not the pastor of a church.... lol, this is just what I mean about unlearned christians, and then want to call someone else "silly". well listen up, the CHURCH is the BODY of Christ, (PEOPLE), not some wooden, or brick structure... LOL, LOL, LOL, see your ignorance now. you think a church is some building structure, (where people gather), and a pastor is the preacher standing in that building speaking?. (well that's the man of SIN)...... in your own words how "SILLY" is that.

and as for Pastors, let get the basic duties first which you have no clue..... Jeremiah 3:15 "And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding." someone who is ignorant and silly would might say, well that's OT, well lets see. Acts 20:28 "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood."

well now, what GOD commanded in the OT is the same today, "to FEED the FLOCK of GOD". which many today as you say, "preparing weekly sermons, preaching". if any Pastor have to PREPARE a sermon, then he or she is not a Pastor of God. that's as you said is "SILLY", and UN-BIBICIAL. because A. it's only ONE PREACHER in the church of God, and that\s God himself, the Lord Jesus. B. a Pastor in Christ do not prepare a sermon, the Word of God is Given, for he or she do not speak, for it is God who speak in them. for we are all ambassador of christ, and a ambassador do not speak he's or her own mind but the mind of him who has sent them. which means one must have the MIND OF CHRIST, 1 Corinthians 2:16. which sets up C. no man interpret any scripture in or for any congergatation, not IN CHRIST. 2 Peter 1:20 "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." that just killed any "preparing weekly sermons, preaching"... lol.

ignorant men like this, (who make up sermons), is what hinder many from coming to Christ. they don't even know the BASIC of what a Pastor is, in or outside the church. and the qualification for a man, (male), to be a Pastor/Bishop is true, 1 Timothy 3:5 "(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)" BINGO, ingorant, "SILLY" men are overseeing some, not all congregation, and they don't even know how to rule their own house... First. that's why many (congregation), are in the ditch today, because of IGNORANT ", silly men, (males), MEN". .... yes "MEN", who are IGNORANT, and SILLY as you used the word. neither apt to TEACH.... meaning to FEED, yes those "prepared", TV DINNER sermons. no wonder so many congregation are WEAK, and SICK, amoung us, eating all those "prepared", TV DINNER sermons. it's ashame being feed a TV dinner sermon, instead a wholesome cook meal from scratch, straight from God himself. and as said, many are sick, weak, and dying... Just as the scriptures states,
1 Corinthians 11:28 "But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup."
1 Corinthians 11:29 "For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body."
1 Corinthians 11:30 "For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep." sleep? .... DEAD, from eating to many "prepared", TV DINNER sermons.

we suggest one re-read this post...... either you awake unto righteousness, or you can sleep in INGORANCE... your choice.

PICJAG,
101G.

It is not my intention to cause an argument or division among the faithful with that question just discussion in a Christian and civil manner.

I have always simply posted the Word of God as it is written. I post this question in order to properly attempt to teach the Word of God....PEROID!

1 Timothy 3:1-2.........
"This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach".

According to the written Word of God, a Pastor can only be a "Male/Man".

Now, before anyone argues that point or disagree with me, remember that the "One" who said..."In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" also was the "One" who said......
"if a "MAN" desire the office of a bishop".

The old Major did not have anything whatsoever to do with what Jesus Christ placed into the Word of God. The old Major just reads it and accepts it as it is written so your disagreements will be with Christ and not me!!!!

Now the question must be WHY would God do that?

1 Timothy 2:13-14 .....
"For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression."

It’s important to understand that Paul does not prohibit women from teaching in all contexts (Titus 2:3; Acts 18:25-26), only from teaching the Bible to men in the church.

Notice that Paul prohibits women from doing two distinct things.

1.
Women may not teach the Bible to men in the church.
2.
Women may not exercise authority over men in the church.

Teaching and exercising authority in the church are the two primary responsibilities of elders, pastors, or bishops. Thus, women are not to hold the office of pastor, but neither are they to perform these particular functions of a pastor over men in the church.

Again, for the inquisitive minds the question is still...WHY is that the case.

I will give you what I think is the reason behinds God's direction.

1.
The creation order is the first reason Paul gives for prohibiting women from teaching or exercising authority in the church.
Paul doesn’t ground his command in cultural considerations or a particular problem with the women in the Ephesian church. Rather, he grounds his command in creation. He says that the reason women are not to teach or exercise authority over men in the church is that....
“Adam was formed first, then Eve”. Paul means that God established Adam as the head and authority of his wife, Eve. God designed men to lead.

2.
The nature of women is the second reason Paul gives for prohibiting them from teaching or exercising authority in the church.
Paul says, “Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor” (1 Tim 2:14). Paul is saying something about the natural constitution of men and women, that men as a class are naturally more fitted to teach and have authority in the church, but women are not.
Dr. Wayne Grudem says, “This is by far the most common viewpoint in the history of the interpretation of this passage” (Evangelical Feminism & Biblical Truth 70).

Generally you and I are on the same page on the thread topic. On this point in your post though, we disagree. The point of 2 Peter 1:20 is not that humans are discouraged (or forbidden) from interpreting God's word, but rather that the origin of genuine prophecy is not in human interpretation of observations.

By the way, that also means that preaching God's word is not prophesying.

I tell you what I am going to do. I am sick and tired of your sarcastic comments. I am CALLING YOU OUT!!!!!!

You said.............
"and then you had the nerve to say Paul was not the pastor of a church.... lol, this is just what I mean about unlearned christians">

Ok my friend......PUT op or SHUT UP!!!!!!!!

Post ONE Scripture that SPECIFICALLY confirms that Paul was a Pastor of a New Test Church. JUST ONE!!!

I tell you what I am going to do. I am sick and tired of your sarcastic comments. I am CALLING YOU OUT!!!!!!

You said.............
"and then you had the nerve to say Paul was not the pastor of a church.... lol, this is just what I mean about unlearned christians">

Ok my friend......PUT op or SHUT UP!!!!!!!!

Post ONE Scripture that SPECIFICALLY confirms that Paul was a Pastor of a New Test Church. JUST ONE!!!

Outright lies now? What is this mysterious word you are talking about. Anthropos can be used to say human or humanity. But, it is NOT in that passage.

Not one word means men, in that passages, except for the husband must not be polygamous!

Oh, besides not saying this non-existent word, you forgot your sources!

Thanks for the call out, here the verse that shows Paul was a PASTOR, listen, and LEARN,

1 Corinthians 13:1 "Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal."
1 Corinthians 13:2 "And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing."

point #1. and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; WHAT IS A PASTOR? answer, Jeremiah 3:15 "And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding."

there it is, feed with KNOWLEDGE, and UNDERSTANDING, and Paul said, what?
" and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge" BINGO, checkmate.

a Pastor FEED with knowledge and UNDERSTANDING, and Paul had all of it.... (smile).
NOW lets see the "WORK" to FEED correect, Acts 20:28 "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood."

well what is an "overseer?", lets see, G1985 ἐπίσκοπος episkopos (e-piy'-sko-pos) n.
1. an overseer.
2. (in genitive case) one of the co-superintendents entrusted with the well-being of a local assembly or of assemblies within a city or location.
{literally or figuratively}
[from G1909 and G4649 (in the sense of G1983)]
KJV: bishop, overseer
Root(s): G1909, G4649

say what? "BISHOP?" and Paul meet the qualification, for he had ..... "and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge"

this is the Pastoral "GIFT" which is a "WORK", and not an OFFICE,

so you better read and Learn before you attempt to call out anyone.... because you might just get the ANSWER.

PICJAG,
101G.

Thanks for the call out, here the verse that shows Paul was a PASTOR, listen, and LEARN,

1 Corinthians 13:1 "Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal."
1 Corinthians 13:2 "And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing."

point #1. and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; WHAT IS A PASTOR? answer, Jeremiah 3:15 "And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding."

there it is, feed with KNOWLEDGE, and UNDERSTANDING, and Paul said, what?
" and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge" BINGO, checkmate.

a Pastor FEED with knowledge and UNDERSTANDING, and Paul had all of it.... (smile).
NOW lets see the "WORK" to FEED correct, Acts 20:28 "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood."

well what is an "overseer?", lets see, G1985 ἐπίσκοπος episkopos (e-piy'-sko-pos) n.
1. an overseer.
2. (in genitive case) one of the co-superintendents entrusted with the well-being of a local assembly or of assemblies within a city or location.
{literally or figuratively}
[from G1909 and G4649 (in the sense of G1983)]
KJV: bishop, overseer
Root(s): G1909, G4649

say what? "BISHOP?" and Paul meet the qualification, for he had ..... "and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge"

this is the Pastoral "GIFT" which is a "WORK", and not an OFFICE,

so you better read and Learn before you attempt to call out anyone.... because you might just get the ANSWER.

PICJAG,
101G.

If I might suggest we do know that Paul was an Apostle as HE said HE was in 1cor 15 comes to mind. the word apostle means
"one who is sent" But in context to the "A" Apostle which Paul was means HE was an eye witness of the resurrected Lord.

Paul was hand-picked by Jesus to be a witness to rulers. In Acts we see Paul doing the work of
an evangelist, Apostle, and a pastor/teacher.

Paul was very qualified to do many of the five-fold gifts to the church. However, Paul said he was an Apostle.

I think I said this with less volume LOL as a suggestion

I did some research on this a week ago, this is the results I found. Paul grew up in a value system that elevated men above women and Jesus changed Paul’s value system. This allowed Paul to write in his letter to the Galations, of the the equal value of all God’s people.
“In Jesus Christ, you are all children of God through faith.. there is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free nor is there male or female, for you are all one in Jesus Christ.”
I understand that in the Bible roles of genders have been written which I also have struggled to understand and have not done enough research, but I also know a lot of the ways written in the Bible about men and women was through culture/man and Jesus came to change things.

Paul being an apostle is not in question YES he was. He was also an evangelist and a teacher and many other things including a church planter.

But......is there a Scripture that SPECIFICALLY says that he was a church pastor. And if so......what was the name of the church/city????

DECEPTION .....
deceit · deceitfulness · duplicity · double-dealing · fraud · fraudulence

RATIONALIZATION.......
"the action of attempting to explain or justify behavior or an attitude with logical reasons, even if these are not appropriate."

Again......I am asking you to post ONE Scripture which SPECIFICALLY verifies Paul as a church pastor.

What you posted is very informative and I wish I had read all of that at some time in my past.....
BUT WHICH ONE OF THEM SAYS THAT "PAUL WAS THE PASTOR"?

I would suggest the 101G has done the same thing that others did use scripture to show Paul was a pastor as those used the term Bishop to reference pastors.

Good try! But no cigar! This is one place where the word is ἀνθρώπος anthropos which includes men and women.

I wish you were right, but as usual the KJV mistranslates anthropos and makes it about men, not "people". Here are a few translations which are right!

"Now[a] the name of the star is Wormwood.)[c] So[d] a third of the waters became wormwood,[e] and many people died from these waters because they were poisoned.[f]" Rev. 8:11 NET

"the name of the star is Wormwood.[a] A third of the waters turned bitter, and many people died from the waters that had become bitter." Rev 8:11 NIV

"The star is named Wormwood; and a third of the waters became wormwood, and many people died from the waters because they were made bitter." Rev. 8:11 NASB

"The name of the star is Wormwood.[a] A third of the waters became wormwood, and many people died from the water, because it had been made bitter." Rev 8:11 ESV

"They[a] were told not to damage the grass of the earth, or any green plant or tree, but only those people[c] who did not have the seal of God on their[d] forehead." Rev 9:4 NET

[c] ἄνθρωπος (anthrōpos) is used in a generic sense here of both men and women.

"They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads." Rev 9:4 NIV

"They were told not to hurt the grass of the earth, nor any green thing, nor any tree, but only the people who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads." Rev 9:4 NASB

"They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any green plant or any tree, but only those people who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads." Rev 9:4 ESV

In all fairness to the KJV in this case, until very recently, the word "men" was inclusive of women. I am sure that is the meaning the translators meant to convey. Certainly every modern version has gone to translating anthropos as "people." It is more specific, but this started sometime in the 21st century! It was used by KJV and was a valid translation 400 years ago!