What are the qualifications of an apostle?

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In the Charismatic movement we are hearing about the emergence of those who are calling themselves apostles. I have read some books that give what they are presenting as Scriptural evidence that there are apostles in the church today. It seems that when a guy is called an apostle, or advertises himself as one, people tend to take his teaching more seriously than a run-in-the mill Bible teacher. But there is a question: These apostles seem to be limited to the Charismatic movement, and generally not recognised by the wide range of Evangelical churches.

The Apostolic church of New Zealand, which is a Pentecostal denomination, claims to be rule by twelve apostles. The head rooster of the church, when challenged by a member retorted, "You can't speak to me like that. I'm an apostle!" So, what does that tell us?

To consider the question we need to examine what the Scriptural qualifications of an apostle really are. We know that the Apostles of Christ had strict qualifications that prevent anyone being able to claim that form of Apostleship today. They must have been personally appointed by the risen Christ, and that included Paul who was appointed by Christ on the Damascus Road. They had to be recognised by the full body of Christ, which was true in the 1st Century because the church was one with no divisions in it. They had to go into all the world and preach the Gospel of Christ, which they did. And their ministry had to be validated by signs and wonders. No one after the death of the Apostle John could have been appointed as an Apostle of Christ.

But there were apostles of the church, such as Barnabas and Silas, who were recognised as such by the church. Here were their qualifications:
1. They had to be appointed by the Holy Spirit: "Separate unto Me Barnabas and Paul for the ministry I have called them." The appointment came through a prophetic word that was attested by the whole group of prophets and teachers at Antioch. They all heard from the Holy Spirit at the one time and knew beyond doubt that Paul and Barnabas were called to the apostolic ministry. Later on Silas was also called. Paul would not have accepted Silas unless the Holy Spirit made it very clear.
2. They had to be accepted as apostles by the whole church. In today's church with all its division into different denominations, the ministry of apostle is well-nigh impossible because even if the ministry is accepted by one denominational group, it may not be recognised by others who are also part of the body of Christ. The senior pastor of the Apostolic Church may be the head of that church but he is certainly not an apostle because his ministry is not recognised even by other Pentecostal churches, let alone the Evangelicals. The same applies for those who call themselves "third wave" apostles. They are not recognised by the full body of Christ therefore they cannot be true apostles.
3. Scriptural apostles go into all the world with the Gospel of Christ. Many of these Charismatic "third wave" apostles do most of their ministry to church goers and not into the secular pagan world, and the bulk of their teaching is not the Gospel of Christ.
4. Scriptural apostleship must always be validated by signs and wonders. Therefore sick and disabled people must be healed on a regular basis as the outcome of their ministry of the Gospel of Christ. If they pray for a person in a wheelchair, that person comes out of the wheelchair and walks; a blind person receives their sight; a cancer patient's tumour disappears; arthritic joints are restored; heart failure is healed. If these things don't happen on a regular basis, then the person may be a good Bible teacher, but not an apostle.

Anyone can call himself an apostle, but the reality is that he has to be one according to the four qualifications that I have stated.

Actually, John Calvin at the start of his commentary of 1st Corinthians, gives an excellent description of who an apostle actually is.
 

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If those self-proclaimed aposstles believe they are added to the originalTwelve, I am afraid they are sorely self-deluded.

If they are going by the translation of apostle from its Greek root, it is possible, for this only means to be sent out.
 
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I wonder if you can catch it this way also, for example

Jesus Christ and the children the LORD hath given him

These were for signs and wonders in Israel

Isaiah 8:18 Behold,
I and the children whom the LORD hath given me
are for signs and for wonders in Israel from the LORD of hosts,
which dwelleth in mount Zion.


Which, if speaking of Jesus, and those whom the LORD hath given him here also

John 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you,
that no man can come unto me,
except it were given unto him of my Father.


Having predestinated us by Christ (unto the Father)

Ephes 1:5 Having predestinated us
unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself,
according to the good pleasure of his will,


These in 2Cr 5:20 being in Christ's stead (even as I and the children)

Ephes 2:10 For we are his workmanship,
created in Christ Jesus unto good works,
which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them
.

As God did signs and wonders by Christ (who is also called the Apostle of their profession)
He does so by the hands of His apostles. Which also seem linked to the previous verse, since
they themselves (even as Christ) were for signs and wonders in Isreal (Acts 4:30) by Him.

Again,

Isaiah 8:18 Behold, I and the children whom the LORD hath given me
are for signs and for wonders in Israel


Behold, I... (Jesus) Hebrews 3:1...also the Apostle and High Priest of our profession

Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth,
a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs,
which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:


Who said,

John 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. (Luke 7:22) see also John 14:12

John 17:18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

So Behold, I (Jesus) and them also (called children) in Isaiah 8:18 (which were for signs also)

Signs of an apostle in these things?

Mark 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, (John 7:23, Gal 1:16)
the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following.

Of whom Jesus also said,

John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you,
He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also;
and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.


Amongst the apostles Paul also said,

2 Cr 12:12 Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience,
in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds
.
(even as Christ is an Apostle Heb 3:1)

As Christ Jesus who was anointed with the Holy Ghost

Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power:
who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
(Acts 2:22)

Shown in Paul also

Acts 19:11 And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul:

Acts 19:12 So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.

Again (both verses)

John 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

John 10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know,
and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him
.

Likewise they were given power

2 Cr 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

He that was mighty in Paul is the same that was in Peter

Acts 3:12 And when Peter saw it, he answered unto the people, Ye men of Israel, why marvel ye at this? or why look ye so earnestly on us, as though by our own power or holiness we had made this man to walk

And another thing, Jesus Christ was set for a sign to be spoken against

Luke 2:34 And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against;

And as he was set for a sign to be spoken against, so also were those who preached Him as they asked of them

Acts 28:22 But we desire to hear of thee what thou thinkest: for as concerning this sect, we know that every where it is spoken against. (Acts 13:45, 1 Peter 4:14) Jesus Christ being "the way" was called heresy in Acts 24:14

Then of these here

Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; (Acts 16:18, & 19:12) they shall speak with new tongues; (1 Cr 14:18)

Mark 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; (Acts 28:5, James 3:8, Psalm 140:3 & Romans 3:13 whether lit. or fig.) they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.(Acts 14:9, 19:11 20:10, Acts 28:8-9)

Signs and wonders done by the name of Jesus through them. When Jesus prays here he says likewise

John 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

These are those the Father has given to him here and he will send them even as His Father had sent him

John 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

And again these went forth signs following

Mark 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen. (Isaiah 8:18)

Not sure if these could be of any help to the orignal OP or not, I just figured I would post them here
 

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In the Charismatic movement we are hearing about the emergence of those who are calling themselves apostles. I have read some books that give what they are presenting as Scriptural evidence that there are apostles in the church today. It seems that when a guy is called an apostle, or advertises himself as one, people tend to take his teaching more seriously than a run-in-the mill Bible teacher. But there is a question: These apostles seem to be limited to the Charismatic movement, and generally not recognised by the wide range of Evangelical churches.

The Apostolic church of New Zealand, which is a Pentecostal denomination, claims to be rule by twelve apostles. The head rooster of the church, when challenged by a member retorted, "You can't speak to me like that. I'm an apostle!" So, what does that tell us?

To consider the question we need to examine what the Scriptural qualifications of an apostle really are. We know that the Apostles of Christ had strict qualifications that prevent anyone being able to claim that form of Apostleship today. They must have been personally appointed by the risen Christ, and that included Paul who was appointed by Christ on the Damascus Road. They had to be recognised by the full body of Christ, which was true in the 1st Century because the church was one with no divisions in it. They had to go into all the world and preach the Gospel of Christ, which they did. And their ministry had to be validated by signs and wonders. No one after the death of the Apostle John could have been appointed as an Apostle of Christ.

But there were apostles of the church, such as Barnabas and Silas, who were recognised as such by the church. Here were their qualifications:
1. They had to be appointed by the Holy Spirit: "Separate unto Me Barnabas and Paul for the ministry I have called them." The appointment came through a prophetic word that was attested by the whole group of prophets and teachers at Antioch. They all heard from the Holy Spirit at the one time and knew beyond doubt that Paul and Barnabas were called to the apostolic ministry. Later on Silas was also called. Paul would not have accepted Silas unless the Holy Spirit made it very clear.
2. They had to be accepted as apostles by the whole church. In today's church with all its division into different denominations, the ministry of apostle is well-nigh impossible because even if the ministry is accepted by one denominational group, it may not be recognised by others who are also part of the body of Christ. The senior pastor of the Apostolic Church may be the head of that church but he is certainly not an apostle because his ministry is not recognised even by other Pentecostal churches, let alone the Evangelicals. The same applies for those who call themselves "third wave" apostles. They are not recognised by the full body of Christ therefore they cannot be true apostles.
3. Scriptural apostles go into all the world with the Gospel of Christ. Many of these Charismatic "third wave" apostles do most of their ministry to church goers and not into the secular pagan world, and the bulk of their teaching is not the Gospel of Christ.
4. Scriptural apostleship must always be validated by signs and wonders. Therefore sick and disabled people must be healed on a regular basis as the outcome of their ministry of the Gospel of Christ. If they pray for a person in a wheelchair, that person comes out of the wheelchair and walks; a blind person receives their sight; a cancer patient's tumour disappears; arthritic joints are restored; heart failure is healed. If these things don't happen on a regular basis, then the person may be a good Bible teacher, but not an apostle.

Anyone can call himself an apostle, but the reality is that he has to be one according to the four qualifications that I have stated.

Actually, John Calvin at the start of his commentary of 1st Corinthians, gives an excellent description of who an apostle actually is.
Snake handling .
 
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Its probably much easier to handle snakes then snowflakes :LOL:
 
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Dang, can I say snowflakes here? I should have asked first, (I could call them snakes instead if I had to)
 

Nebuchadnezzer

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In the Charismatic movement we are hearing about the emergence of those who are calling themselves apostles. I have read some books that give what they are presenting as Scriptural evidence that there are apostles in the church today. It seems that when a guy is called an apostle, or advertises himself as one, people tend to take his teaching more seriously than a run-in-the mill Bible teacher. But there is a question: These apostles seem to be limited to the Charismatic movement, and generally not recognised by the wide range of Evangelical churches.

The Apostolic church of New Zealand, which is a Pentecostal denomination, claims to be rule by twelve apostles. The head rooster of the church, when challenged by a member retorted, "You can't speak to me like that. I'm an apostle!" So, what does that tell us?
Apostles are not just in the churches you pointed out.
Apostles exist in the Catholic Church(es).

The Pope claims to sits on the thrown of the prince of the apostles, Peter.
The Pope claims to be an apostle and the head of the Pentarchy.

Within the five apostolic sees of the Pentarchy, the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople is regarded as the successor of Andrew the Apostle. The Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople is also a succession of an apostle, Andrew. The Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople second in command in the Pentarchy, with the Roman Pope having primacy.
The Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople has primacy over the other three apostolic sees in the Pentarchy.
Catholicism is one giant hierarchy.

When you think Pentacostal think Pentarchy, particularly the Pentacostals that have a hierachy system headed by an apostle.
These Pentacostal denominations that are founded under apostleships appear to be extensions of the Catholic Church.

The rapid growth of Pentecostal forms of Christianity in Africa in recent years can partly be attributed to the prevalent practice of exorcism or 'deliverance' that characterises it. https://brill.com/view/journals/exch/35/1/article-p116_8.xml
Exorcism is another Catholic thing, that is spreading to Pentacostalism.

The Counter Reformation is still in full effect.
 
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If one was an apostle that does not mean they would know more than a common pew sitter although many people would think they would.

Paul was given a thorn in the flesh to give him humble, and God resists the proud but gives grace unto the humble.

Some people may say I am an apostle because they want to act like they are better than the other saints.

Rev 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

One man William Tapley believes this scripture is about him and he says he is the 3rd eagle of the apocalypse, and co-prophet of the end time.

Which you can look him up on youtube.

Some people might label themselves something trying to impress people, or they really believe it.

1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Jas 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
Jas 1:6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
Jas 1:7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.

The preacher does not get any more wisdom than any other saint for God gives to all the saints liberally if they ask for wisdom.

But it is true you can say something and some people will say whatever not believing you, but if it comes out of the mouth of one professing to be an apostle, or a bishop, or some person with many people at his Church some people will give heed to it.
 

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In the Charismatic movement we are hearing about the emergence of those who are calling themselves apostles. I have read some books that give what they are presenting as Scriptural evidence that there are apostles in the church today. It seems that when a guy is called an apostle, or advertises himself as one, people tend to take his teaching more seriously than a run-in-the mill Bible teacher. But there is a question: These apostles seem to be limited to the Charismatic movement, and generally not recognised by the wide range of Evangelical churches.

The Apostolic church of New Zealand, which is a Pentecostal denomination, claims to be rule by twelve apostles. The head rooster of the church, when challenged by a member retorted, "You can't speak to me like that. I'm an apostle!" So, what does that tell us?

To consider the question we need to examine what the Scriptural qualifications of an apostle really are. We know that the Apostles of Christ had strict qualifications that prevent anyone being able to claim that form of Apostleship today. They must have been personally appointed by the risen Christ, and that included Paul who was appointed by Christ on the Damascus Road. They had to be recognised by the full body of Christ, which was true in the 1st Century because the church was one with no divisions in it. They had to go into all the world and preach the Gospel of Christ, which they did. And their ministry had to be validated by signs and wonders. No one after the death of the Apostle John could have been appointed as an Apostle of Christ.

But there were apostles of the church, such as Barnabas and Silas, who were recognised as such by the church. Here were their qualifications:
1. They had to be appointed by the Holy Spirit: "Separate unto Me Barnabas and Paul for the ministry I have called them." The appointment came through a prophetic word that was attested by the whole group of prophets and teachers at Antioch. They all heard from the Holy Spirit at the one time and knew beyond doubt that Paul and Barnabas were called to the apostolic ministry. Later on Silas was also called. Paul would not have accepted Silas unless the Holy Spirit made it very clear.
2. They had to be accepted as apostles by the whole church. In today's church with all its division into different denominations, the ministry of apostle is well-nigh impossible because even if the ministry is accepted by one denominational group, it may not be recognised by others who are also part of the body of Christ. The senior pastor of the Apostolic Church may be the head of that church but he is certainly not an apostle because his ministry is not recognised even by other Pentecostal churches, let alone the Evangelicals. The same applies for those who call themselves "third wave" apostles. They are not recognised by the full body of Christ therefore they cannot be true apostles.
3. Scriptural apostles go into all the world with the Gospel of Christ. Many of these Charismatic "third wave" apostles do most of their ministry to church goers and not into the secular pagan world, and the bulk of their teaching is not the Gospel of Christ.
4. Scriptural apostleship must always be validated by signs and wonders. Therefore sick and disabled people must be healed on a regular basis as the outcome of their ministry of the Gospel of Christ. If they pray for a person in a wheelchair, that person comes out of the wheelchair and walks; a blind person receives their sight; a cancer patient's tumour disappears; arthritic joints are restored; heart failure is healed. If these things don't happen on a regular basis, then the person may be a good Bible teacher, but not an apostle.

Anyone can call himself an apostle, but the reality is that he has to be one according to the four qualifications that I have stated.

Actually, John Calvin at the start of his commentary of 1st Corinthians, gives an excellent description of who an apostle actually is.

the little "a" over the big ' A".

The word Apostle means "One who is sent". how do we know if there were sent? Hopefully, they have success :) and are doing the work of an apostle.

I think the tile has been overplayed. Like the put in the names :

Pastor, Prophet, Bishop, Apostle Evangelist, deacon indie the Bingo Ball machine and whatever pops out that what I will take as my title.

TO the work of one and let the Holy Spirit confirm what you do with salvation, healing and people coming to Jesus. Micheal Jordon did not have to say he was a basketball player it was kind of obvious.


 
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4ChristAlone

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I picked the wrong week to give up trying to handle snowflakes!
They start hyperventilating and screaming like dude on the bodysnatchers, its really strange, its like we live in some new alien world or something lol
 
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Dang, can I say snowflakes here? I should have asked first, (I could call them snakes instead if I had to)
There is the story, which I don't know whether it is true or not. Someone discovered a snake in the middle of a cannabis patch, and they reported it as a snake in the grass!
 

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The preacher does not get any more wisdom than any other saint for God gives to all the saints liberally if they ask for wisdom.

But it is true you can say something and some people will say whatever not believing you, but if it comes out of the mouth of one professing to be an apostle, or a bishop, or some person with many people at his Church some people will give heed to it.
So you have many members and believers at a church, but none speaks or teaches anything. Only the pastor speaks and teaches.
 
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So you have many members and believers at a church, but none speaks or teaches anything. Only the pastor speaks and teaches.
1Co 14:26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

I think it is better if everyone gets involved after the preacher is done speaking for more can be learned if they all participate than if only the preacher participates.
 

Nebuchadnezzer

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1Co 14:26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

I think it is better if everyone gets involved after the preacher is done speaking for more can be learned if they all participate than if only the preacher participates.
But what church is this done at? It seems most of these things are worked out in the seminaries and then are passed down so that when you go to church you listen and keep your mouth shut.
 
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But what church is this done at? It seems most of these things are worked out in the seminaries and then are passed down so that when you go to church you listen and keep your mouth shut.
Yep. Church people can yell like Commanche Indians as a football game on Saturday and sit like wooden Indians in church on Sunday, while the Charismatics next door are having fun and enjoying their church services.
Did you know that there are more people sleeping through sermons in cessationist churches than there are lunatic-fringe pseuo-charismatics doing their kundalini stuff? The truth is that the vast majority of Charismatics are wide awake during sermons because the sermons there are encouraging, inspiring, glorifying Christ and are a sheer pleasure to listen to.
 

Nebuchadnezzer

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Yep. Church people can yell like Commanche Indians as a football game on Saturday and sit like wooden Indians in church on Sunday, while the Charismatics next door are having fun and enjoying their church services.
Did you know that there are more people sleeping through sermons in cessationist churches than there are lunatic-fringe pseuo-charismatics doing their kundalini stuff? The truth is that the vast majority of Charismatics are wide awake during sermons because the sermons there are encouraging, inspiring, glorifying Christ and are a sheer pleasure to listen to.
Sounds like a sensuous experience. Glad you are enjoying.