Cessationism vs. continuationism...does it make any difference?

//They claim the gifts are not for today// Which gifts ? They don't say ALL gifts. Its the SIGN gifts .

What I find most interesting is that there are people who insist that the gospel of the kingdom is the same as the gospel of the grace of God, that there is always only ONE gospel.

Yet, they also believe that the signs and wonders of the gospel of the kingdom (Matthew 10:7-8), are no longer for today.

If the gospel of the kingdom has never gone away, why are the signs gone?

The prominent gifts that were common in the Early Church right through to the 4th Century were tongues, healing, and casting out of demons. Those gifts that were identified as "sign" gifts were signs that the Father who Jesus revealed to the world was a God full of compassion for sick and suffering people, and those who are oppressed by the devil.

If healing of sick people was a sign, then it was the sign that He is not only the Jewish Messiah, but ours as well. Our modern world still needs to know that Jesus is a complete Saviour, full of mercy and compassion. Any other "jesus" is not the Jesus of the Gospels. The Jesus of the Gospels, heals the sick and sets people from the oppression of the devil today. Preaching a cold, religious "jesus" who stands by and allows sick people to die and people remain oppressed by the devil actually robs sick and oppressed people of the mercy and grace of God they need in their lives.

The prominent gifts that were common in the Early Church right through to the 4th Century were tongues, healing, and casting out of demons. Those gifts that were identified as "sign" gifts were signs that the Father who Jesus revealed to the world was a God full of compassion for sick and suffering people, and those who are oppressed by the devil.

If healing of sick people was a sign, then it was the sign that He is not only the Jewish Messiah, but ours as well. Our modern world still needs to know that Jesus is a complete Saviour, full of mercy and compassion. Any other "jesus" is not the Jesus of the Gospels. The Jesus of the Gospels, heals the sick and sets people from the oppression of the devil today. Preaching a cold, religious "jesus" who stands by and allows sick people to die and people remain oppressed by the devil actually robs sick and oppressed people of the mercy and grace of God they need in their lives.

This is just you telling me how you feel ?

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if you would be right, then why we dont have this today. The signs? Today there are living around 600 000 000 charismatics and pentecostals worlwide. People who claime what you said. Why then the official newspapers, TV news and so on are not full with this signs, as they was known in Peter and Pauls time in Jerusalem and in the places they worked?
Instead it is to notice that even in so called healing Services people leave this meetings still sick. Where is the sign?
Would you be right, then we would have today not a so called cessationism. Because it would be obvious that the sign gifts had not be finnished.
Of course today our father heals sick, but for this you must not go to healing services, but pray to the father and let Him the answer to your prayer. He knows you at best. And be not healed is not a sign of lack faith ore God is not loving you, as many people conclude today.
That speaking in tongues is a gift that will not receive every believer teaches Paul. In opposit to the charismatic/pentecostal teaching.

The prominent gifts that were common in the Early Church right through to the 4th Century were tongues, healing, and casting out of demons. Those gifts that were identified as "sign" gifts were signs that the Father who Jesus revealed to the world was a God full of compassion for sick and suffering people, and those who are oppressed by the devil.

If healing of sick people was a sign, then it was the sign that He is not only the Jewish Messiah, but ours as well. Our modern world still needs to know that Jesus is a complete Saviour, full of mercy and compassion. Any other "jesus" is not the Jesus of the Gospels. The Jesus of the Gospels, heals the sick and sets people from the oppression of the devil today. Preaching a cold, religious "jesus" who stands by and allows sick people to die and people remain oppressed by the devil actually robs sick and oppressed people of the mercy and grace of God they need in their lives.

There are many other Scriptures that provide a reliable foundation that the supernatural gifts are for the whole body of Christ today and will continue to the end of the church age. Even if Mark didn't originally author the verses in Mark 16, the person who inserted the text certainly believed they were true, based on what was commonly going on in the churches of the time.

Are not the signs connected with going into all the world and preaching the Gospel to every creature? All it needs is 5th Grade comprehension skills to work that out. Making the passage read that the signs are just for Israel is reading into the passage something that just isn't there. The passage doesn't say, "And these signs shall follow Israelite believers." It clearly indicates believers in all the world, not just Israel.

He is the same, yesterday, today and forever, healing is often a process, and too often we quit praying when we don't see immediate results.
He is far more concerned with our inside than our outside, more concerned and desirous of our healing inside first than outside, He knows the end from the beginning and what out eternal future holds.
He always desires, it is His very nature, we be healed, whole, well, restored.
The problem procuring it is never on His end, the problem is always down here.
45 pages of talking about it and not seeking His guidance and direction in this are a part of the problem.
We all have opinions, none of them matter.
blessings

It matters not a jot what the news media report or does not report, nor does it matter that people leave healing meetings still sick. What takes absolute priority is what the Scripture actually says. The Word of God says that Jesus is compassionate and heals the sick and disabled. Whether we see it or not is of no consequence. God's Word remains true: "I am the God who heals you".

It also doesn't matter what Pentecostals and Charismatics teach, because religious teaching takes second place to God's Word. Some (not all) Charismatics teach that God has to heal everyone, otherwise the healing ministry is false. God is sovereign. He doesn't have to heal everyone. He chooses whom He will heal and who will remain sick, and any decision He makes is totally righteous and we have no right to question His sovereignty. He always has a good reason for what He does and what He does not do. He is not ruled by man's demands or religious teaching.

Instead of concentrating on those who do not get healed for whatever reason God withholds it, we should be celebrating the multitudes who are being healed and delivered of demons around the world. It is significant that on many occasions Jesus told people not to advertise that they were healed. Also, the secular media is godless and anti-Christian, so often the news media never reports it. They would rather report Church scandals and falsehoods in the healing ministry rather than the very many cases where people are genuinely healed.

Concerning tongues. Yes, not all receive the ministry gift of tongues as spoken in church and interpreted. But tongues wasn't the only ministry mentioned in the list, so why point out tongues and not the other ministries that not everyone receives?

Paul said that he would that all the Corinthians spoke in tongues - personally before God in their private prayer times, and he instructed that tongues were not to be forbidden. Misquoting the Scripture about not everyone receiving tongues is robbing good seekers of the gift by inferring that even if they desire and ask for the ability to pray in tongues God won't give it to them. This is a blatant and blasphemous misrepresentation of God's willingness to give freely and abundantly to those who know His will and ask Him according to it.

It matters not a jot what the news media report or does not report, nor does it matter that people leave healing meetings still sick. What takes absolute priority is what the Scripture actually says. The Word of God says that Jesus is compassionate and heals the sick and disabled. Whether we see it or not is of no consequence. God's Word remains true: "I am the God who heals you".

It also doesn't matter what Pentecostals and Charismatics teach, because religious teaching takes second place to God's Word. Some (not all) Charismatics teach that God has to heal everyone, otherwise the healing ministry is false. God is sovereign. He doesn't have to heal everyone. He chooses whom He will heal and who will remain sick, and any decision He makes is totally righteous and we have no right to question His sovereignty. He always has a good reason for what He does and what He does not do. He is not ruled by man's demands or religious teaching.

Instead of concentrating on those who do not get healed for whatever reason God withholds it, we should be celebrating the multitudes who are being healed and delivered of demons around the world. It is significant that on many occasions Jesus told people not to advertise that they were healed. Also, the secular media is godless and anti-Christian, so often the news media never reports it. They would rather report Church scandals and falsehoods in the healing ministry rather than the very many cases where people are genuinely healed.

Concerning tongues. Yes, not all receive the ministry gift of tongues as spoken in church and interpreted. But tongues wasn't the only ministry mentioned in the list, so why point out tongues and not the other ministries that not everyone receives?

Paul said that he would that all the Corinthians spoke in tongues - personally before God in their private prayer times, and he instructed that tongues were not to be forbidden. Misquoting the Scripture about not everyone receiving tongues is robbing good seekers of the gift by inferring that even if they desire and ask for the ability to pray in tongues God won't give it to them. This is a blatant and blasphemous misrepresentation of God's willingness to give freely and abundantly to those who know His will and ask Him according to it.

That is a great question! Jesus said that the fact that sick people are being healed and demons cast out shows that the Kingdom of God is among them. So, has the Kingdom of God gone away in our time? If not, then the signs that the Kingdom of God is still with us are that sick people are being healed and demons are being cast out, are they not?

So what about those cessationists who believe that healing and deliverance from demons has ceased? Maybe the Kingdom of God has ceased from their churches because there would be no indications that they would still be part of the Kingdom of God.

If we can't have the Kingdom of God among us without healing and deliverance from demons, then healing and deliverance must still be happening today among believers in the Kingdom of God. Pretty logical to me!