Jesus Is Our Truth, Reward, And Faithfulness So We Can Lie, Steal, and Fornicate?

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Phoneman-777 said:
The only thing the Cross changed is the laws of sacrifices and ceremonies - Types that met their fulfillment in their AntiType, Jesus:

The Passover Lamb ended with the sacrifice of the Lamb of God.
The Unleavened Bread ended with the body of Christ lying uncorrupted in the tomb.
Circumcision ended with the shed blood of Jesus who was "cut off from the land of the living".
The roof of the Sanctuary with its "ram's skins dyed RED" ended with the blood of the Lamb of God covering all sin.

Salvation hasn't changed: always by grace through faith, whether one looked forward or looks back to Calvary. Ten Commandments haven't changed: it was, is, and always will be SIN to break any one of them because Psalms 111:7-8 KJV tell us they will always stand as laws to which all will faithfully obey.
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Name one diciple ( those that learned closest to the Lord in the flesh ) who was ' looking forward to Calvary ' This is a nice catch phrase but not true .
 
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Phoneman-777 said:
The only thing the Cross changed is the laws of sacrifices and ceremonies - Types that met their fulfillment in their AntiType, Jesus:

The Passover Lamb ended with the sacrifice of the Lamb of God.
The Unleavened Bread ended with the body of Christ lying uncorrupted in the tomb.
Circumcision ended with the shed blood of Jesus who was "cut off from the land of the living".
The roof of the Sanctuary with its "ram's skins dyed RED" ended with the blood of the Lamb of God covering all sin.

Salvation hasn't changed: always by grace through faith, whether one looked forward or looks back to Calvary. Ten Commandments haven't changed: it was, is, and always will be SIN to break any one of them because Psalms 111:7-8 KJV tell us they will always stand as laws to which all will faithfully obey.
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//The only thing the Cross changed is the laws of sacrifices and ceremoni// Completely false. We have 13 epistles which are filled with ' differences ' because of the death ,burial ,resurrection and giving of the Holy Spirit.
 
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Phoneman-777 said:
Yeah, though Peter tells you the way to avoid "private interpretations" of prophecy is to read what the "holy men spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost" so that we can gain proper interpretation of prophetic symbolism...you've got better ideas, right?

Peter, you foolish apostle, go to "throughfaith" and learn a new way!

We don't need to read what Daniel says a "beast" is or what John says the "waters" mean or what Ezekiel has to say about how "days" and "years" are symbolized in prophecy...we don't need any of you "holy men" of Scripture...we got "throughfaith" to tell us what the prophetic symbolism means!

After all, he's a Dispensationalist who subscribes to J. N. Darby, the so called "Protestant Reformer" wannabe who was SEDUCED BY JESUIT FUTURISM!
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All I can see here is " Blah, blah ,blah and blah " ?
 
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Phoneman-777 said:
Ain't if funny how this SDA constantly shuts the mouths of the opposition by making Biblical arguments that can't be answered?

For instance, you are opposed to the idea that Christians must obey the Ten Commandments. Fine, is is OK to steal, lie, commit adultery, then?

Tell us, do you think God's eternal law, the Ten Commandments, exist but we don't have to obey them, while the least of man's laws on the books not only must be obeyed, but the disobedience of which subjects us to punishment?

Are Christians at liberty to break them while sinners are cast into hell for doing the same?

Do you think Christians are not a liberty to break them but God is OK if they do?

You only wish your theology was as consistent as my Seventh-day Adventist theology, which says there's grace for the Just Man who falls seven times but rises again, but the only fate for the PRESUMPTUOUS, ANTIMONIANIST, OSAS LICENCED SINNER MAN is the Lake of Fire.
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// Are Christians at liberty to break them while sinners are cast into hell for doing the same?// Sinners are cast into hell because they don't receive Jesus . Have you recieved Jesus? If so how did you ?
 
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Phoneman-777 said:
It's called "line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little, there a little".

But, if you are unwilling to accept that, then right back at you: SHOW ME THE "THUS SAITH THE LORD" WHERE THE SAINT HAS CARTE BLANCHE TO BREAK THE TEN COMMANDMENTS INDISCRIMINANTLY AND MAY STILL ENTER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.

P.S. - I'm not asking you on how to get saved, which is "grace through faith, not by works"..we konw that..Show me where it says the SAVED PERSON MAY BREAK THE TEN COMMANDMENTS AND STILL GO TO HEAVEN, THEN I'LL SHOW YOU A "THUS SAITH THE LORD" WHERE IT SAYS THE SAVED PERSON WHO DOES THAT WILL END UP IN HELL.
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// I'm not asking you on how to get saved, which is "grace through faith, not by works"..we konw that..Show me where it says the SAVED PERSON MAY BREAK THE TEN COMMANDMENTS AND STILL GO TO HEAVEN, THEN I'LL SHOW YOU A "THUS SAITH THE LORD" WHERE IT SAYS THE SAVED PERSON WHO DOES THAT WILL END UP IN HELL.// // I'm not asking you on how to get saved, which is "grace through faith, not by works"..we konw that.// No this is where we have the same words but we have different definitions of these words . So we haven't even got passed this point yet . I believe we are saved by Grace through faith ,not by works ,period. You do not.
 
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Phoneman-777 said:
"Go easy on Posthuman, Lord, after all, how could he know he was surrounding himself with all those false pulpit prophets and the only one he had speaking truth to him was a half witted Phoneman."
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i have the Word of God, thanks.

You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace!​
(Galatians 5:4)​

no one who has the Truth believes you. His sheep won't follow a stranger.
salvation is by grace through faith, not of works. it's God's doing, not yours, and it's effective: we are redeemed and renewed.

but keep telling yourself how cool you are, and have a nice time accusing the brethren.
 
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Phoneman-777 said:
Being a OSAS believer puts you at odds with Christ.
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disbelieving God's faithfulness makes one a son of Belial.
Christ said He gives eternal life to the one who believes Him.

you should probably stop devoting your life to attacking people for putting their trust in Him.
their Defender is strong, and you cannot stand against Him.
 
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throughfaith said:
Freedom is scary for some, so they turn to legalism, because that's where they feel most secure . They fight tooth and nail for laws , rules , perimeters . Grace and freedom is terrifying for these types . They are drawn to certain cults and religions ,because it seemingly offers ' security ' and boundaries , They will be drawn to the groups that offer the most ' certainty ' " Come to our organisation, we have the answers " . The offer of free falling into grace is not good news to them ,that's why they call it Licence to sin . They can't imagine any different.
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they cannot conceive of any reason to walk in righteousness apart from fear of damnation.
to them, actual salvation is literally "unbelievable"

we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith​
(Galatians 5:5)​
 
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how come Jesus used the symbol of someone persistently knocking on a door to be allowed in, and he praises the persistence?
That's Luke 11:8
it's almost as if He anticipated this debate
"Persistence" isn't a work, nor is it faith? It's just trying to get in
I don't see the difference between this OSAS and the alternative. In the former someone whose actions are far worse than non-believers we can say well they were not proper Christians to start with. Or in the latter they were but they didn't make it in
Either way they don't get in.
 
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Phoneman-777 said:
You preach greasy grace, sloppy agape, and make grace a disgrace. You ignore the parable of the Unmerciful Servant who was fully forgiven and fully conscious of it, but wound up having his impossible debt reinstated because he refused to continue in the grace of his master.
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You are that servant, though I am not sure you are saved ...
 
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Phoneman-777 said:
The Ark had windows...maybe read the story again?
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This is the same as those who when shown the scripture which says we are securely in the Father's hands and no-one can snatch us out stupidly say "ah but we can wriggle out of His hands"

it is what the bible calls wicked unbelief.

Jesus said "not one of the men You have given Me has been lost except the son of perdition"

Judas was never saved.
 
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Phoneman-777 said:
The only thing the Cross changed is the laws of sacrifices and ceremonies - Types that met their fulfillment in their AntiType, Jesus:

The Passover Lamb ended with the sacrifice of the Lamb of God.
The Unleavened Bread ended with the body of Christ lying uncorrupted in the tomb.
Circumcision ended with the shed blood of Jesus who was "cut off from the land of the living".
The roof of the Sanctuary with its "ram's skins dyed RED" ended with the blood of the Lamb of God covering all sin.

Salvation hasn't changed: always by grace through faith, whether one looked forward or looks back to Calvary. Ten Commandments haven't changed: it was, is, and always will be SIN to break any one of them because Psalms 111:7-8 KJV tell us they will always stand as laws to which all will faithfully obey.
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but they did not faithfully obey ... nor do you

You break the law so you must pay the penalty of it ... that is your own judgement.
 
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Evmur said:
but they did not faithfully obey ... nor do you

You break the law so you must pay the penalty of it ... that is your own judgement.
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the penalty is paid in Christ, walk in the one you called by then .. its never default for a believer to walk in iniquity and transgression after being safed. its is a war upon ones self to do that . who has hears has heard
 
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Phoneman-777 said:
And Jesus proved by the indwelling power of the Spirit, we can be obedient to the same.
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The Holy Spirit in you help us but HE doesn't force you to obey YOu do that IF you plan on sinning and breaking the law you will do so as you have in the past.

Whose fault was it when you broke the Sabbath? You are the Holy Spirit in you? Because you know you have not kept the Sabbath.
 
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The Holy Spirit in you help us but HE doesn't force you to obey YOu do that IF you plan on sinning and breaking the law you will do so as you have in the past.

Whose fault was it when you broke the Sabbath? You are the Holy Spirit in you? Because you know you have not kept the Sabbath.
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leaving the believer a temple of god filled with merchants ..serving for their belly, like lustful children never growing..
 
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listenyoumust said:
the penalty is paid in Christ, walk in the one you called by then .. its never default for a believer to walk in iniquity and transgression after being safed. its is a war upon ones self to do that . who has hears has heard
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Our fight is not against sin, our fight is against unbelief. What Phoney is preaching is unbelief.

The only way to live in victory over sin is to KNOW that it has been dealt with once and for all. You can't even begin with God until you KNOW your sins have been put away.

Jesus is the only one who ever won the victory over sin.
 
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Evmur said:
Our fight is not against sin, our fight is against unbelief. What Phoney is preaching is unbelief.

The only way to live in victory over sin is to KNOW that it has been dealt with once and for all. You can't even begin with God until you KNOW your sins have been put away.

Jesus is the only one who ever won the victory over sin.
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you nailed it brother.
 
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It never ceases to amaze me how the "law-keepers" claim that we still must obey the law, but ignore the fact that the Levitical system is inherent to the law. There is no possible way to obey the law today. They also can't provide any scriptural support for the division of law into bits that apply today and bits that don't.
 
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