To all of you non flat earthers.

I pointed out the crux is not due south but between you and them.

It is impossible period. There are time zones for a reason. And no, a person in Africa, Australia, and SA, can not be in the same time zone at the same time. Can someone at the north pole be in all 24 at the same time?

If a person stood on Atartica due south of Australia, another person due south of Africa, and a third due south of Argentina would they keep the time zone of that country, or could they see each other in the same time zone?

Time zones are irrelevant...

Fact - We are facing due south at the crux simultaneously...

Impossible on FE. Like u said

@Timtofly

Please answer my question for once.
I answer all your questions but u never answer mine

Do u understand this fact?

Facing dipper = Facing north
Facing crux = Facing south

Now please answer my question that I have repeatedly asked...

What don't u understand about this fact?

@Timtofly

Please answer my question for once.
I answer all your questions but u never answer mine

Do u understand this fact?

Facing dipper = Facing north
Facing crux = Facing south

Now please answer my question that I have repeatedly asked...

What don't u understand about this fact?

I understand that you do not take into consideration that the crux is pointing away from itself to a different point in the sky. You claim the whole 12 hour orbit is like looking at a small clock in the sky.

I claimed that was an optical illusion. You are not looking at a star system that does mirror rotation looking like a clock in the sky with the earth’s rotation.

The crux does not move through the sky like the outer point of a clock face, pointing towards the center of this clock face. Trying to say 3 people in Africa, Australia, and SA all facing the southern horizon are seeing the same clock face at the same time like all are looking up at the bottom of this ball we call earth, make the crux itself do the impossible.

It is not impossible that the crux is in an orbit and both can see it at the same time at different angles because it is between you. Saying it is not in between you is your own choice.

Claiming there is a star system out there that can make a fairly large circle in space which is actually larger because of the distance between the earth and the several star systems that even make up the crux and that these systems are moving in this big circle so as earth rotates it matches that rotation is impossible.

Furthermore it behaves like the sun in it's yearly cycle moving between the two lines of tropics. The crux just takes 18,000 years to move between it's tropics zones. If it can be seen all year long in Jerusalem, then at that time in history the crux would be higher in the night sky, and you would have to look up, or even, face north, to find it. It would still point to a different location in the sky, related to the due south imaginary pole line.

I also tried to point out this line is on an axis that instead of making the earth tilted, the imaginary pole line cuts through the NP on the map, and is sometimes below the horizon for you and sometimes above, depending on the time of day, and if the crux is pointing down or up.

The other fact is, no one can prove if the crux can be seen during the day. If the crux is the same 24 hour clock face position for all 3 points on the map, and this is a proven fact, then you may have a point. Otherwise the crux is not even a bunch of star systems seemingling moving fast through space to mirror the earth's rotation, as a group. They are not balls of gas many light years away. They are angels in orbit above the earth giving a simulation, of what people thinks exist, but is only virtual reality. They are part of a clockwork between heaven and earth. The earth is not a disk moving through space. It is the middle section of reality in the shape of a fixed finite cube. Reality has length, depth, and height, held together in shape by time.

Moses Young... U and your shifty Aussie replies. Thats the only kind of reply i could think of as well...
Its unproven still, but its possible i guess
I must say of all the flat earthers on this forum you've given the most valid responses... Barely valid though.
I still disagree with this FE model mostly cos of the crux situation.

Remember but Moses... Im not arguing for BE... But, from what i understand...
Polaris can be seen from up to 23 degrees south of the equator because of the earths tilt, but only for a limited time of year...
Same thing with the crux... Right now, from what i read, they can see the crux from 25 degrees north of the equator

Ha, ha. The scorched Earth response? If you won't accept my theory, then at least I can destroy all others? I actually think this is the most honest outcome - to admit we can't explain some stuff in the Heavens. But I'm quite sure the Earth is flat. Water curvature just cannot be measured, and we rely on it being level (flat) for all manner of construction.

The Earth's angle of tilt is supposed to be perpendicular to a line segment through the centre of Earth and Polaris (see representative ball-Earth diagram below). If this be true, Polaris should not be visible even 1 degree below the equator.

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Ha, ha. The scorched Earth response? If you won't accept my theory, then at least I can destroy all others? I actually think this is the most honest outcome - to admit we can't explain some stuff in the Heavens. But I'm quite sure the Earth is flat. Water curvature just cannot be measured, and we rely on it being level (flat) for all manner of construction.

The Earth's angle of tilt is supposed to be perpendicular to a line segment through the centre of Earth and Polaris (see representative ball-Earth diagram below). If this be true, Polaris should not be visible even 1 degree below the equator.

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Water curvature just cannot be measured, and we rely on it being level (flat) for all manner of construction.

Mr Moses Young... LoL... Shifty but legal...

Admitting to God that I don't know everything is one of the most humbling feelings there is i think...
Our feeble minds easily fall into error. They fall in love with our own ideas and before you know it we are claiming to be infallible and omniscient... Thats why i like to think of things in probabilities

As for that diagram u have, the north star and crux are too close to earth in the diagram... If it the were further away then it should be a problem to see it from the equator during 6 months of the year... From what i read, it cannot be seen from the equator in the other 6 months


In my mind, one of the only ways that the earth could possibly be flat is like this

With the dipper above the north pole and the crux above the south pole. Maybe there is that wall of ice around the edges...

But to me, the balance of probability is still in favour of BE though. Im not convinced by all of their beliefs.
They think that stars are travelling through space at random which i disagree with cos the bible describes constellations like Orion and that was so long ago that the constellations would be totally different. Even the documented detailed observations of the Greeks are exactly what we see today
Im also not convinced that we are spinning either, it seems more probable that the stars are spinning, not us

If the earth is not spinning, how can stars, if they are due south, move through thousands of light years of space each night to make a circular path in the sky due south of your location? Remember the further away they are, this motion through space is lengthened. And these stars that are assumingly several light years even from each other all move together through space to make this huge circle possible to be noticeable on earth.


I will stick with angels doing their jobs according to Genesis 1 for signs, seasons, days and years.


14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

At one time there was water above these stars, lights in the sky. They cannot be that far away. They work like lights shining down upon the earth, with an area of influence. They are not balls of gas sending light in every direction. They have a narrow beam, like all lights created to send light to a particular location on earth.

I agree that they will never change their paths that are circular orbits around the sides of the north. Yes some have zones of tropics where they are sometimes closer to the north, and further from the south. The Polaris star being either fixed, or the smallest orbit.

God's throne has it's footrest at the north or center of the map. We just cannot see it, yet. Nothing created is moving through a so called 14 billion year old universe in size and age. The stars are in a fixed location called the firmament and move in courses like a race track above the earth.

If the earth is not spinning, how can stars, if they are due south, move through thousands of light years of space each night to make a circular path in the sky due south of your location? Remember the further away they are, this motion through space is lengthened. And these stars that are assumingly several light years even from each other all move together through space to make this huge circle possible to be noticeable on earth.


I will stick with angels doing their jobs according to Genesis 1 for signs, seasons, days and years.


14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

At one time there was water above these stars, lights in the sky. They cannot be that far away. They work like lights shining down upon the earth, with an area of influence. They are not balls of gas sending light in every direction. They have a narrow beam, like all lights created to send light to a particular location on earth.

I agree that they will never change their paths that are circular orbits around the sides of the north. Yes some have zones of tropics where they are sometimes closer to the north, and further from the south. The Polaris star being either fixed, or the smallest orbit.

God's throne has it's footrest at the north or center of the map. We just cannot see it, yet. Nothing created is moving through a so called 14 billion year old universe in size and age. The stars are in a fixed location called the firmament and move in courses like a race track above the earth.

The firmament being a “fishbowl” I’m still onboard with, and I initially didn’t automatically discount the possibility of a flat Earth.

However there is truly a foolproof method to determine if we are on a flat Earth.

It’s flight time from South America to Australia or New Zealand.

It’s a mathematical equation. The amount of time would be vastly different on a globe vs a flat Earth.

I believe at the time I looked at this issue, there were available flights and testimonies from people on those flights, that prove we’d have to be on a globe.

Although this was a bit entertaining....

I've wasted way too much time reading the first 15 pages and the last page!

Sadly, that is unproductive time I'll never get back...

Shame on me.

Curious . . . why is this concept important to you?[/QU
So a better post will make you a believer in her views, wow for a well known user you you seem offended by her post and just open up on her. I think your a weak person that hides behind the computer screen and attack people that doesn't agree with your view point. LOL. Why comment if your going to be rude about it. Open your eyes and read the bible for what its worth...Praise God for giving you a set of eyes.