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Grace And Peace, Precious friend(s). I believe it is a very serious matter
to determine Which version of “the Bible” Is “The Correct Word Of God!”

I am sure we All agree, do we not, that we are All going to each give an
"account To HIM,"
(2 Corinthians 5:10), According to His Gospel of Grace,
To
Paul (Romans 2:16), correct?

Thus, in Light of Paul's "...knowing therefore The Terror Of The LORD..." {v. 11}, to me,
I humbly present why I personally believe KJV Is “The Best Bible” to read/study:

(1) Q: Is IT not God’s Pure And PRESERVED WORD!?:

The WORDS Of The LORD Are Pure WORDS: as silver tried
in a furnace of earth, Purified Seven Times. Thou Shalt Keep THEM,
O LORD, Thou Shalt PRESERVE THEM from this generation for ever.”

(Psalms 12:6-7 KJB!)

Now, Comparing This, with a couple of newer versions, what do we find?

NASB: “The words of the Lord are pure words…You, Lord, will keep them;
You will protect him from this generation forever.

NIV: “The words of the Lord are flawless…You, Lord, will keep the needy
safe and will protect us forever from the wicked,...

Do these Also claim God’s “Purity And Preservation for ALL generations”?

They both claim “pure/flawless” words, but, then they both
Omit Some Of: “Preserve THEM from this generation for ever” and
Change words TO the noted “Different” words above. How is that Purity ?

Q: Will The Holy Spirit, our Blessed Teacher, Help us understand
The Purity of These Words,” considering these newer versions
have Changed Them? How, then, do we “study AND agree”?

{Diligent/Noble Berean students can find MANY of These Changes
{And, Also “omissions”}, and Prayerfully/Carefully decide for themselves
about the “Purity of God’s Words,” and which version is best, for them,
correct?}

(2) I personally have decided on Both “The Purity And The
Preservation Of The Authorized Version/underlying manuscripts,”

for the following reasons:

Q2: Is The Following the “Reason” why the newer versions Cannot claim:

God’s Promise To “Preserve HIS Pure Word for ALL generations”?

Since the newer versions did not appear until about 1880,
would not that be a “Lack Of Preservation,” due to the fact
that the underlying {older/better?} manuscripts had to be
“Re-discovered/translated,” Skipping the generations since 1611?

Can that be God’s Purpose For HIS Pure/Preserved Word?
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(3) God's Pure/Preserved Word Is ABOVE All Else! Is IT not?:

"I will worship toward Thy holy temple, and praise Thy HOLY
Name for Thy LovingKindness and for Thy TRUTH: for Thou
Hast MAGNIFIED Thy WORD Above All Thy Name!
"
( Psalms 138:2 KJB! )

imho, unless I am mistaken, on Judgment Day, I would Not want
one of the "good deeds done in my body," to be “Bad, by my claiming”
that corrupt/Changed/Missing words {translated from older/hidden
{UNpreserved} manuscripts into “newer easier-to-read/understand
versions,” are to be:

God's Pure Word, Which Is Magnified Above All Of God’s Pure/Holy Name,”

would you, Precious friend(s)?
Finally:

IF it is true that “Many {~~ 2,800?} Of “God’s PURE Words”
are missing {ie: Acts 8:37 NASB et al?} from newer versions, then,
IF the “version user” Cannot read Them {because They are missing},
how is it possible then, for that one to obey God’s Exhortation:

“man Shall Not live by bread alone, But By EVERY Word
That Proceedeth Out Of The Mouth Of God!

(Matthew 4:4 cp Luke 4:4; Deuteronomy 8:3 KJB!)?

Just wondering: How can God's "children of light" be in agreement
when each uses a Different Problematic version?: Are we not all,
By A Faithful God:

"...Called Into Fellowship With God's SON, The LORD JESUS CHRIST"
(
1 Corinthians 1:9 KJB!), And, should we not all be:

"Endeavouring to keep The Unity Of God's Spirit In The Bond Of
PEACE!..." (
Ephesians 4:3 KJB!), obeying God's Exhortations!:

...speak...the things which become Sound Doctrine!”
(
Titus 2:1 cp "SAME mind And judgment!" 1 Corinthians 1:10 KJB!)?

Being faithful And Pleasing to our LORD and Saviour, JESUS CHRIST, Correct?

--------------------------------------------

Addendum:

Some do Not like archaic words in God’s Preserved Word, but isn’t
that Why God Commands us to “study” (2 Timothy 2:15 KJB!)? I.e.:

“...we which are alive and remain unto the coming of The LORD shall not
prevent [precede] them which are asleep…” (1 Thessalonians 4:15 KJB!)

Once I “studied & found the meaning,” have never had any problem since. Amen?
+
I would also, when Prayerfully/Carefully “studying, like to know," When "God Is
Addressing"
one person {singular: thee, thine, & thou}, or More than one person
{plural: ye/you/your}. Could make a Huge Difference in His Pure Words, correct?

Since newer versions have Totally Lost these distinctions, considering
“you/your” Could be Either singular OR plural, causing Confusion, of
which
God Is Not the author of,” (1 Corinthians 14:33 KJB!), correct,
Precious friend(s)?

Conclusion: Besides changing God’s PURE Words, is there not Also
HIS “Command NOT to Add, Nor To Take Away From HIS Word!”?
(
Deuteronomy 4:2, 12:32; Revelation 22:18-19 KJB!)
+
"found a liar" (Proverbs 30:5-6) cp "every liar" (Rev 21 : 8, 22 : 15, 19 KJB!)

So, yes, I sincerely believe This Is “A Very Serious And Important”
decision Of faith to be made! After all, "a corrupt {#} version Will
Cause a corrupt faith,” correct? Since God’s PURE Word Teaches:

...faith cometh by hearing, and hearing By The WORD Of God!”
(
Romans 10:17 KJB!)

Be Blessed!

{#} Corruption had Already Begun in "Paul's day," thus it should not
surprise us, that it very well Could be in our midst, today, correct?:

"For we are not as many, which corrupt The Word Of God: but as
of sincerity, but as of God, in The Sight Of God speak we in CHRIST."
(2 Corinthians 2:17 KJB!)

Precious friend(s), instead of All of the Mass Confusion, is not
God's Simple Will Much Better? to be continued in (2a) below...
 

DeanM

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I like the archaic language/spelling of the KJV and also find it slows my reading a bit which is good. I did a search once and found the source material used for the KJV to my liking. Someone said the best translation is the one you will read. While I understand what they meant im not sure thats necessarily true. Comparison reading of the NLT, NAB and NKJV reinforced the KJV for me. I have a NIV given to me but honestly havnt looked at it much. FYI the NAB, St. Josephs edition has updated language as does the NKJV but I found nothing that bothered me other than the catholic slant on some of the notes.
 

Gideon300

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Grace And Peace, Precious friend(s). I believe it is a very serious matter
to determine Which version of “the Bible” Is “The Correct Word Of God!”

I am sure we All agree, do we not, that we are All going to each give an
"account To HIM,"
(2 Corinthians 5:10), According to His Gospel of Grace,
To
Paul (Romans 2:16), correct?

Thus, in Light of Paul's "...knowing therefore The Terror Of The LORD..." {v. 11}, to me,
I humbly present why I personally believe KJV Is “The Best Bible” to read/study:

(1) Q: Is IT not God’s Pure And PRESERVED WORD!?:

The WORDS Of The LORD Are Pure WORDS: as silver tried
in a furnace of earth, Purified Seven Times. Thou Shalt Keep THEM,
O LORD, Thou Shalt PRESERVE THEM from this generation for ever.”

(Psalms 12:6-7 KJB!)

Now, Comparing This, with a couple of newer versions, what do we find?

NASB: “The words of the Lord are pure words…You, Lord, will keep them;
You will protect him from this generation forever.

NIV: “The words of the Lord are flawless…You, Lord, will keep the needy
safe and will protect us forever from the wicked,...

Do these Also claim God’s “Purity And Preservation for ALL generations”?

They both claim “pure/flawless” words, but, then they both
Omit Some Of: “Preserve THEM from this generation for ever” and
Change words TO the noted “Different” words above. How is that Purity ?

Q: Will The Holy Spirit, our Blessed Teacher, Help us understand
The Purity of These Words,” considering these newer versions
have Changed Them? How, then, do we “study AND agree”?

{Diligent/Noble Berean students can find MANY of These Changes
{And, Also “omissions”}, and Prayerfully/Carefully decide for themselves
about the “Purity of God’s Words,” and which version is best, for them,
correct?}

(2) I personally have decided on Both “The Purity And The
Preservation Of The Authorized Version/underlying manuscripts,”

for the following reasons:

Q2: Is The Following the “Reason” why the newer versions Cannot claim:

God’s Promise To “Preserve HIS Pure Word for ALL generations”?

Since the newer versions did not appear until about 1880,
would not that be a “Lack Of Preservation,” due to the fact
that the underlying {older/better?} manuscripts had to be
“Re-discovered/translated,” Skipping the generations since 1611?

Can that be God’s Purpose For HIS Pure/Preserved Word?
+
(3) God's Pure/Preserved Word Is ABOVE All Else! Is IT not?:

"I will worship toward Thy holy temple, and praise Thy HOLY
Name for Thy LovingKindness and for Thy TRUTH: for Thou
Hast MAGNIFIED Thy WORD Above All Thy Name!
"
( Psalms 138:2 KJB! )

imho, unless I am mistaken, on Judgment Day, I would Not want
one of the "good deeds done in my body," to be “Bad, by my claiming”
that corrupt/Changed/Missing words {translated from older/hidden
{UNpreserved} manuscripts into “newer easier-to-read/understand
versions,” are to be:

God's Pure Word, Which Is Magnified Above All Of God’s Pure/Holy Name,”

would you, Precious friend(s)?
Finally:

IF it is true that “Many {~~ 2,800?} Of “God’s PURE Words”
are missing {ie: Acts 8:37 NASB et al?} from newer versions, then,
IF the “version user” Cannot read Them {because They are missing},
how is it possible then, for that one to obey God’s Exhortation:

“man Shall Not live by bread alone, But By EVERY Word
That Proceedeth Out Of The Mouth Of God!

(Matthew 4:4 cp Luke 4:4; Deuteronomy 8:3 KJB!)?

Just wondering: How can God's "children of light" be in agreement
when each uses a Different Problematic version?: Are we not all,
By A Faithful God:

"...Called Into Fellowship With God's SON, The LORD JESUS CHRIST"
(
1 Corinthians 1:9 KJB!), And, should we not all be:

"Endeavouring to keep The Unity Of God's Spirit In The Bond Of
PEACE!..." (
Ephesians 4:3 KJB!), obeying God's Exhortations!:

...speak...the things which become Sound Doctrine!”
(
Titus 2:1 cp "SAME mind And judgment!" 1 Corinthians 1:10 KJB!)?

Being faithful And Pleasing to our LORD and Saviour, JESUS CHRIST, Correct?

--------------------------------------------

Addendum:

Some do Not like archaic words in God’s Preserved Word, but isn’t
that Why God Commands us to “study” (2 Timothy 2:15 KJB!)? I.e.:

“...we which are alive and remain unto the coming of The LORD shall not
prevent [precede] them which are asleep…” (1 Thessalonians 4:15 KJB!)

Once I “studied & found the meaning,” have never had any problem since. Amen?
+
I would also, when Prayerfully/Carefully “studying, like to know," When "God Is
Addressing"
one person {singular: thee, thine, & thou}, or More than one person
{plural: ye/you/your}. Could make a Huge Difference in His Pure Words, correct?

Since newer versions have Totally Lost these distinctions, considering
“you/your” Could be Either singular OR plural, causing Confusion, of
which
God Is Not the author of,” (1 Corinthians 14:33 KJB!), correct,
Precious friend(s)?

Conclusion: Besides changing God’s PURE Words, is there not Also
HIS “Command NOT to Add, Nor To Take Away From HIS Word!”?
(
Deuteronomy 4:2, 12:32; Revelation 22:18-19 KJB!)
+
"found a liar" (Proverbs 30:5-6) cp "every liar" (Rev 21 : 8, 22 : 15, 19 KJB!)

So, yes, I sincerely believe This Is “A Very Serious And Important”
decision Of faith to be made! After all, "a corrupt {#} version Will
Cause a corrupt faith,” correct? Since God’s PURE Word Teaches:

...faith cometh by hearing, and hearing By The WORD Of God!”
(
Romans 10:17 KJB!)

Be Blessed!

{#} Corruption had Already Begun in "Paul's day," thus it should not
surprise us, that it very well Could be in our midst, today, correct?:

"For we are not as many, which corrupt The Word Of God: but as
of sincerity, but as of God, in The Sight Of God speak we in CHRIST."
(2 Corinthians 2:17 KJB!)

Precious friend(s), instead of All of the Mass Confusion, is not
God's Simple Will Much Better? to be continued in (2a) below...
I have been studying God's word for the best part of 50 years. I have discovered that the version you use rarely matters, except for some poor paraphrases. I use concordances, Bible Hub to compare versions, the Amplified and NASB. I have read many excellent books, especially those by Watchman Nee. I was mentored by the mot spiritual man I've ever met. Above all, I have the Living Word living within me and I have the Holy Spirit to lead me into the truth.

There is nothing special about the KJV. When I got saved, it was the main version in use. Most preachers had to spend part of their message explaining what the KJV actually meant. For example, there is a verse that includes "bowels and mercies" (Colossians 3:12) It no doubt was clear 400 years ago. It sounds rather gross now. The word "conversation" has changed meaning. So "he that ordereth his conversation aright" is a bad translation now. In the 17th century, conversation referred to a way of life.
 

Dino246

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Grace And Peace, Precious friend(s). I believe it is a very serious matter
to determine Which version of “the Bible” Is “The Correct Word Of God!”
What about the millions of Christians for whom English is not their language? Have you considered that reality?


Thus, in Light of Paul's "...knowing therefore The Terror Of The LORD..." {v. 11}, to me,
I humbly present why I personally believe KJV Is “The Best Bible” to read/study:
Thanks for your personal opinion. You do understand that personal opinions have no evidentiary value, right?


(1) Q: Is IT not God’s Pure And PRESERVED WORD!?:

The WORDS Of The LORD Are Pure WORDS: as silver tried
in a furnace of earth, Purified Seven Times. Thou Shalt Keep THEM,
O LORD, Thou Shalt PRESERVE THEM from this generation for ever.”

(Psalms 12:6-7 KJB!)
As usual with KJV-only advocates, you have completely overlooked the words, "from this generation" (as well as the context of these verses). As such, your argument is completely baseless. Also, it's rather ironic that you argue for a version that allegedly preserves God's words, while you ignore three of His words in one of your arguments!


Now, Comparing This, with a couple of newer versions, what do we find?

NASB: “The words of the Lord are pure words…You, Lord, will keep them;
You will protect him from this generation forever.

NIV: “The words of the Lord are flawless…You, Lord, will keep the needy
safe and will protect us forever from the wicked,...

Do these Also claim God’s “Purity And Preservation for ALL generations”?
God promises to preserve HIS PEOPLE. If you read the other translations with something other than suspicion, you might learn something. Your argument is based on your assumption that the wording of the KJV is correct. You cannot make a logically valid argument on that basis.


They both claim “pure/flawless” words, but, then they both
Omit Some Of: “Preserve THEM from this generation for ever” and
Change words TO the noted “Different” words above. How is that Purity ?

You don't know a second language, do you? If you did, you would understand that in most cases, there is not only one way to translate one passage appropriately into another language.


Q: Will The Holy Spirit, our Blessed Teacher, Help us understand
The Purity of These Words,” considering these newer versions
have Changed Them? How, then, do we “study AND agree”?
Or do the newer versions have it correct, where the KJV is wrong? Your argument is silly, because you are comparing one translation to another translation, instead of comparing both to the source materials. The KJV is not the standard against which other translations are to be judged!


{Diligent/Noble Berean students can find MANY of These Changes
{And, Also “omissions”}, and Prayerfully/Carefully decide for themselves about the “Purity of God’s Words,” and which version is best, for them, correct?}
Your rhetoric is laughable, and would only convince the utterly ignorant. Those who do their homework have no difficulty with these issues.


Q2: Is The Following the “Reason” why the newer versions Cannot claim:

God’s Promise To “Preserve HIS Pure Word for ALL generations”?

Since the newer versions did not appear until about 1880,
And the KJV appeared 1500+ years after the last of the original autographs. Perhaps you think that God did not preserve His words in that period. Or perhaps you believe that Jesus was carrying around a KJV tucked in his belt?

"I will worship toward Thy holy temple, and praise Thy HOLY
Name for Thy LovingKindness and for Thy TRUTH: for Thou Hast MAGNIFIED Thy WORD Above All Thy Name!" ( Psalms 138:2 KJB! )
That's only one of the ways to translate that verse. See my notes on translating above.


IF it is true that “Many {~~ 2,800?} Of “God’s PURE Words”
are missing {ie: Acts 8:37 NASB et al?} from newer versions, then,
IF the “version user” Cannot read Them {because They are missing},
how is it possible then, for that one to obey God’s Exhortation:
God's pure words aren't "missing" from the newer versions. You're parroting old and oft-refuted blather.


“man Shall Not live by bread alone, But By EVERY Word
That Proceedeth Out Of The Mouth Of God"
(Matthew 4:4 cp Luke 4:4; Deuteronomy 8:3 KJB!)?
Newer translations say the same thing.


Just wondering: How can God's "children of light" be in agreement
when each uses a Different Problematic version?: Are we not all, By A Faithful God:
You prefer an archaic problematic version instead? You would do well to think through your arguments before you post them.


Some do Not like archaic words in God’s Preserved Word, but isn’t
that Why God Commands us to “study” (2 Timothy 2:15 KJB!)? I.e.:
Why hamstring yourself with archaic language when God's preserved word is available in modern English?


Since newer versions have Totally Lost these distinctions, considering “you/your” Could be Either singular OR plural, causing Confusion, of which God Is Not the author of,” (1 Corinthians 14:33 KJB!), correct, Precious friend(s)?
The newer translations have not "Totally Lost" anything. It seems that you haven't done your homework.


Besides changing God’s PURE Words, is there not Also HIS “Command NOT to Add, Nor To Take Away From HIS Word!”? (Deuteronomy 4:2, 12:32; Revelation 22:18-19 KJB!)
+
"found a liar" (Proverbs 30:5-6) cp "every liar" (Rev 21 : 8, 22 : 15, 19 KJB!)
So you need to explain why there are thousands of words ADDED to the text of Scripture in the KJV. Just look for the ones in italics.


So, yes, I sincerely believe This Is “A Very Serious And Important”
decision Of faith to be made! After all, "a corrupt {#} version Will Cause a corrupt faith,” correct? Since God’s PURE Word Teaches:

...faith cometh by hearing, and hearing By The WORD Of God!” (Romans 10:17 KJB!)
That's not an argument for the KJV; other versions say the same thing. The faith of the Christian is dependent on the Holy Spirit, not on the KJV.


{#} Corruption had Already Begun in "Paul's day," thus it should not
surprise us, that it very well Could be in our midst, today, correct?:
That's not an argument for the KJV either. It's just fear-mongering.


Precious friend(s), instead of All of the Mass Confusion, is not
God's Simple Will Much Better? to be continued in (2a) below...
So you should be reading Tyndale, not KJV. Better yet, the Septuagint and the NT in Greek.
 

oyster67

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I feel most at peace with Ye ole 1611KJV also. This is the Bible that the Holy Spirit has used to grow me up in the knowledge of God's Word. I personally have neither need or desire for any Johnny-Come-Lately version. I feel no need to go back to the original languages to re-invent my own customized wheel. I have no hunger or desire for the pre-chewed second hand smoke of the commentaries. I don't condemn anyone who feels comfortable with NIV or NASB, but I went there and came home to my old friend.:):coffee:
 

Dino246

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I feel most at peace with Ye ole 1611KJV also. This is the Bible that the Holy Spirit has used to grow me up in the knowledge of God's Word. I personally have neither need or desire for any Johnny-Come-Lately version. I feel no need to go back to the original languages to re-invent my own customized wheel. I have no hunger or desire for the pre-chewed second hand smoke of the commentaries. I don't condemn anyone who feels comfortable with NIV or NASB, but I went there and came home to my old friend.:):coffee:
I would like to "like" your post, but your somewhat snarky comment, "Johnny-Come-Lately version" precludes that. I respect your choice, and preference for the KJV, but bear in mind that the attitude you just displayed in that comment was displayed by defenders of the Latin Vulgate against the KJV in 1611. ;)
 

oyster67

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For example, there is a verse that includes "bowels and mercies" (Colossians 3:12) It no doubt was clear 400 years ago. It sounds rather gross now. The word "conversation" has changed meaning. So "he that ordereth his conversation aright" is a bad translation now. In the 17th century, conversation referred to a way of life.
These passages never gave me any trouble whatsoever. Context cleared things up straight away for me. I guess that maybe we are all a little different. If you ever have trouble with KJV-isms, just let us know. We shall seek truth together. I have experienced more questions with why the new versions had to change certain verses that seemed completely clear in my KJV. I really do think God helped the KJV guys get things right.
 

oyster67

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I would like to "like" your post, but your somewhat snarky comment, "Johnny-Come-Lately version" precludes that. I respect your choice, and preference for the KJV, but bear in mind that the attitude you just displayed in that comment was displayed by defenders of the Latin Vulgate against the KJV in 1611. ;)
I humbly beg your forgiveness for my snarky-ness, Dino. Iron sharpens iron, and I consider you a beloved friend and brother. That is why I gave you a friendly heart emo.:love:
 

oyster67

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the attitude you just displayed in that comment was displayed by defenders of the Latin Vulgate against the KJV in 1611. ;)
I herby forgive the Vulgate men for being snarky then.
 

Dino246

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I humbly beg your forgiveness for my snarky-ness, Dino. Iron sharpens iron, and I consider you a beloved friend and brother. That is why I gave you a friendly heart emo.:love:
Forgiven, of course. You have my respect. :)
 

oyster67

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God has demonstrated His great keeping power by preserving His Written Word down through all the ages.

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
 
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God has demonstrated His great keeping power by preserving His Written Word down through all the ages.

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
The point of the Word is to convey something, few understand it because they are nitpicking about the details...

Another translation of Word is Reason, more loosely intelligence.

Here, Logos is explained to be Monad which corresponds to father, Nous which is called pneuma or spirit, and Psyche which is soul or son. Many sages talk on this extensively as it is the basis of Stoicism and alien to Jews.

Further, Isaiah 45:7 shows originally for Jews God was everything... then after exile it became Judges 1:19...

The duality of Good vs Evil comes from exile too, Zoroaster is the first to call for the end times and predict it.

I would also suggest Islam is the nation promised to Ishmael, and Muhammad is one like unto Moses... but Galatians 4:21-31 says our Jerusalem is a spiritual paradise not a worldly one.

We are of Isaac, under the covenant of Abraham.

Islam is of Ishmael, under Sharia.

Yet they say Isa is returning too, and await it.
 
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4:19

1 Corinthians 12:27

2 Peter 1:4

1 Corinthians 2:15-16

This is Spiritual baptism, Ruh Allah

We must overcome the ego, Hebrews 5:7, fana

Of course, their Golden Age was centered on the Greek texts too

Galatians 3:28 "Jew and Gentile ... are one in Christ Jesus"

The "return" is in us
 

oyster67

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Further, Isaiah 45:7 shows originally for Jews God was everything... then after exile it became Judges 1:19...

The duality of Good vs Evil comes from exile too, Zoroaster is the first to call for the end times and predict it.

I would also suggest Islam is the nation promised to Ishmael, and Muhammad is one like unto Moses... but Galatians 4:21-31 says our Jerusalem is a spiritual paradise not a worldly one.
I believe:

Today Jesus calls everything and everybody to Himself.

No Duality. God is good and sovereign above all else.

Zion is God's desired destination for all. Jesus is all. Mohammed is nothing.
 

JaumeJ

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God has demonstrated His great keeping power by preserving His Written Word down through all the ages.

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
It is possible that some writings have been reserved for these times. The jury is out on that one.
 
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Obviously the original manuscripts are not in England, people translate them based on their understanding...

The original manuscripts are always the same, that is not touched...

It is why it is perhaps better to engage the Greek tradition, they understand the writing better because it is their native tongue... using their translations we can get a better idea for intention.

This is why sola scriptura or whatever is foolish... we have so many greats to stand on the shoulders of to assist us on the way but we throw them all away...

"Many will come greater than I"

Yes, there are better explanations...

I personally recommend Gregory Palamas and Meister Eckhart as the current peaks
 

oyster67

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This is why sola scriptura or whatever is foolish... we have so many greats to stand on to assist us on the way but we throw them all away...
The only "great" we need is the Great Spirit. Let us stand upon the Rock rather than a multitude of contradictive squabbling sands.